NFL (since 2016)

[crystal falace]

"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."

[southbankbornnbred]

"CF - good points, and they have been the big Qs people have been asking about Mayfield ahead of the draft. Personally, I have no qualms about his character. He's actually a decent guy, just very cocky and confident. But I don't get the impression that he's arrogant or complacent - quite the opposite at the moment: he studies his game and works like a dog on his accuracy. It's interesting, this NFL infatuation with character. Of course it's important - you don't want a lunatic off the pitch who doesn't train or commit himself to his team. But I sometimes think that the infatuation among GMs etc for the 'clean' guy, particularly at QB, means they opt for the wrong guy. Give me Jim McMahon's swagger and confidence against, say, Jay Cutler's huge arm and 'clean' pre-draft assessments any day of the week. As a GM, I'd accept the odd late night in a nightclub from my QB providing he was getting the job done and his team-mates rallied around him. You never can tell, of course, but Mayfield looks like somebody who gets his team-mates behind him and leads them. I like that for the Jets. Rosen looks the same, too, despite the concerns about his (too high!) intelligence being a problem. On Mayfield's size, that is a concern. But, again, you can be 6ft 5 and have a huge arm and have all kinds of accuracy and mobility issues. It's a hugely flattering comparison at this stage of his career, of course (because he's proved nothing until he enters the NFL) but people are comparing Mayfield with Drew Brees because of his combination of (under)size and accuracy. If he turns out to be even half as good, he'll be a good signing for somebody. Other QBs in recent years have done well despite their (relatively) smaller size. Russell Wilson, most notably. I think Mayfield is exactly the same size as Brees - a touch under 6ft 1. That is quite small for a QB, but Wilson is even smaller."

[Mr. Burns]

No first or second round picks for the Rams........but then we are so good we don't need them.

[crystal falace]

"From what ive been reading about mayfield it seems the biggest question marks about him are his size, he's very small for an NFL QB, coupled with a fairly low release means he may have alot of passes batted at the line of scrimmage Not seen him myself but also question marks about his charachter he seems a bit of a douche already"

[southbankbornnbred]

"I'm looking forward to the draft. It's not the most talented draft class, but it's certainly stacked with talent - and not in the positions that will dominate the higher picks. A shrewd GM and head coach will make hay in this draft, even with lower picks. In every round, there will be six or seven good players who could easily have gone in the previous round. Which all worries me, because that is when the eternally and annoyingly good Belichick does his thing so well for the fecking Patsies."

[JustAFatKevinDavies]

Watch your mouth when talking about my boys

[southbankbornnbred]

"Grump - the draft starts tomorrow (Thursday) night. Brownies pick first, then Giants, then Jets, then Brownies again because they are so bad that they needs as much help as any one sport can throw at them! TM - Vea and Payne both look the part, don't they? They'll both have good NFL careers providing they can stay on the straight and narrow. Their talent is there. If you need somebody who does a little bit of everything on the defensive line, then Vea is the guy. If you want the top run-stuffer then Payne is the man (might be worth the Skins considering that, to counter Elliott, Ajayi etc). There's been so much focus on the QBs in this year's draft - simply because the likes of the Browns and Jets have been so appalling in that position for so long - that everybody has taken their eye off the ball on the defensive side. The higher-than-higher-than-usual premium for QBs and RBs this year, means there will be some real bargains for good quality defensive players. And on the O-line, too. There's some decent blockers who will fall into the second round."

[Far Cough]

"It was the Packers Charles Martin who did the cheap shot on McMahon, bloke should have been ejected: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr7UcrLLybo"

[Grumpster]

"When is the draft? Aged 43 and 30 years into my love of the NFL, it still confuses the fuck out of me because of all the draft picks etc traded away. Can't wait for it all to start again thanks to the cluster fuck that is West Ham. At least I have something to look forward too - a winning season for the Niners again!!!"

[El Scorchio]

"I think the Redskins medical staff and coaches were a bit irresponsible with Griffin as well. He shouldn't have played in that playoff game where he re-injured himself. Undoubtedly fucked his career, the way they handled him."

[Takashi Miike]

"mcmahon's been battling early onset dementia for quite a few years now, he's in that Bears 86 doc talking about it"

[Takashi Miike]

"i really hope our lot draft on a need basis. i listened to doug williams yesterday who was talking about possibly going the 'best player available' route. we need a big, powerful DT and Vea is him, Payne if Vea's gone early. if they go anywhere near a WR for Smith they've really fucked up"

[Far Cough]

"I liked Jim McMahon, who was it who lifted him up and smashed him into the ground long after the play was dead?"

[southbankbornnbred]

"Btw, any chance a moderator can change the name of the thread to '2018 NFL season'?"

[southbankbornnbred]

"TM - yeah, I watched a lot of Griffin's first season for you guys. He was excellent, and it's such a shame that injuries got the better of him. The problem was always going to be what happened when opposition coaches worked out how to contain him on the run, while covering his primary receiver. Once that happened, in combination with injuries, he was never the same kid. Shame, because the entertainment value was immense."

[southbankbornnbred]

"As it is, it's looking nailed on that the Jets will take Baker Mayfield at #3. I've grown to like this kid more and more as the draft has got closer and I've watched a lot more video of him without the hype. His accuracy is unreal - even more so when he's on the move. The big issue for him as a potential NFL QB is how he transitions from a college offense to a proper NFL system (not that the Jets can regularly be accused of using a ""proper"" NFL system!). Darnold and Rosen sit above Mayfield in the QB list this year primarily on the grounds that they are NFL ready because of the systems they've played at college. There's a touch of the Jim McMahon about Baker Mayfield. People are going to love his 'fuck you' attitude in New York, and an ability to find some magic out of nowhere. Unless the Brownies decide they want him first..."

[Takashi Miike]

"Rg3 was brilliant in his rookie year for us, one of my favourite seasons but as soon as opposing coaches got familiar with him it exposed his limitations throwing the ball. he's up there though with the bravest QB's ive seen but took too many risks that caused his injuries"

[southbankbornnbred]

"Yeah, it's hard to assess Jackson in NFL terms. Nobody knows whether he could make the transition in the way people like Vick did, or whether he's another Tim Tebow (bit harsh, but you get the drift?)! He's movement and ability to run is outstanding. But there are some serious doubts about his passing accuracy and his ability to throw from the pocket. Doesn't rule him out as a NFL starter, of course. But I do think the comparisons with RGIII are decent. As with Griffin, the worry for Jackson (and any team that trades for him) is what happens when his first major injury (which he will get with that running instinct from QB) slows him down. Can he just sit and pass more often than in college? The moment he moves past the line of scrimmage, he becomes the target, and potential scalp, of every hard-hitting linebacker and safety in the league. Like Griffin before him. One thing's for sure - while he's 100% fit and this quick, there will be some incredible feats (with his feet). On the Jackson/Watson thing: there's no comparison. Watson is a hugely better passer and a proper QB. I just hope that his knee has recovered because he looks the part, that kid. Jets should have drafted him last year - can't believe they didn't. If they'd taken him last year, they'd now be in a position to take Saquon Barkley at RB. Imagine that pairing."

[crystal falace]

"No im just saying as a prospect he seems more highly rated Think he's still sulking after the superbowl loss, seems like he wants more money to be honest, the whole thing with his trainer is causing some friction too. Gronk has come out and said he will be playing this year, brady will fall in line, just needs the rigt motivation, hopefully drafting a good QB will light a fire under him"

[Takashi Miike]

"rg3 won a heisman trophy, its not a guarantee to greatness is brady unhappy?"

[crystal falace]

And jackson won the heisman trophy ahead of him in 2016

[Takashi Miike]

*final games*

[Takashi Miike]

"crystal, watson played in two college national championship games"

[crystal falace]

"Not right now he's not no, but he's a better prospect coming out of college, nobody though watson would do what he did when he started playing, christ tom savage was the starter ahead of him. But the upside lf jackson is off the charts"

[Takashi Miike]

he's not as good as desean watson

[crystal falace]

"Well they have 2 1st round and 2 2nd round picks so they have some ammo to move up, might need to if Brady keeps fucking about, might just light a fire under him though like it did when they drafted Jimmy G. Jackson with Josh Mcdaniels designing his plays could be amazing in a couple of years after a year or 2 of learning under Brady and Bellichick"