I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season
Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit
We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge
But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 22:52
by Hammer and Pickle
onsideman wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 22:44
I reckon you're in a club of one with your continued defence of Lopetegui, yet you still only have history to support your argument, whereas the rest of us are basing our opinions on what we can see with our own eyes. I think you're the one clutching at straws
The bloke’s a hairdresser Spud fantasist, mate but I’m in no mood to humour the twit these days.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 22:44
by onsideman
I reckon you're in a club of one with your continued defence of Lopetegui, yet you still only have history to support your argument, whereas the rest of us are basing our opinions on what we can see with our own eyes. I think you're the one clutching at straws
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 22:40
by Hammer and Pickle
What about Brian Clough?
He has an even better record and I hear he’s out of work.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 22:36
by Massive Attack
onsideman wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 22:31Avram Grant won a Champions League. Let's get him back. Actually, why stop there, let's try to coax Fergson out of retirement. I think his record is outstanding
Please stop making stuff up to try and prove a shit point. You're coming across as knowing Football about as much as H and P now.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 22:31
by onsideman
Avram Grant won a Champions League. Let's get him back. Actually, why stop there, let's try to coax Fergson out of retirement. I think his record is outstanding
Rusta wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 21:51
Not keen on Carrick getting the job, hasn’t done quite enough to earn a crack at our job imo. Would obviously get behind him and it would be brilliant if it worked tho I admit.
Not sure how our foreign contingent would react to a young championship manager coming in, would there be enough respect to get a reaction out of them
Should do. In his very first Premier League game in charge of Man Utd away at Tuchels Chelsea he started Ronaldo on the bench and still got a result there almost winning it. Comes back in the side for his last game in charge at Old Trafford and they beat Artetas Arsenal side 3-2 scoring twice. His 1st game in charge was a win away at Emerys Villareal.
The geezer has gravitas in the game and if they weren't prepared to listen to him with everything he's done in the game, they can definitely sling their hook.
No offence but you rate Lopetegui too
No offence taken and of course I do. Afterall he won the Europa League Cup and got Sevilla 3 times in to the Champions League, unbeaten as Spain manager, as well as win 2 Trophies with their Youth Teams and kept Wolves up at the 1st time of asking managing in the Premier League even though they were rock bottom when he took over at the time.
Must be doing something right. Or let me guess, he fluked it all in the game...
As the Man Utd job proves for Amorim, some Clubs are just rotten to the core and need extensive work to sivve through all the horseshit that's there.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 22:07
by Sir Alf
Odds stacked against anyone coming in with our inadequate squad, divided board room, disjointed back room set up under a disasterous, egotistical, meddling owner. A younger inexperienced coach like Carrick would certainly have some challenges making progress as any manager or coach would. Poison chalice having to work and perform in “Sullivans Circus”
Rusta wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 21:51
Not keen on Carrick getting the job, hasn’t done quite enough to earn a crack at our job imo. Would obviously get behind him and it would be brilliant if it worked tho I admit.
Not sure how our foreign contingent would react to a young championship manager coming in, would there be enough respect to get a reaction out of them
Should do. In his very first Premier League game in charge of Man Utd away at Tuchels Chelsea he started Ronaldo on the bench and still got a result there almost winning it. Comes back in the side for his last game in charge at Old Trafford and they beat Artetas Arsenal side 3-2 scoring twice. His 1st game in charge was a win away at Emerys Villareal.
The geezer has gravitas in the game and if they weren't prepared to listen to him with everything he's done in the game, they can definitely sling their hook.
No offence but you rate Lopetegui too
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 22:00
by Massive Attack
Rusta wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 21:51
Not keen on Carrick getting the job, hasn’t done quite enough to earn a crack at our job imo. Would obviously get behind him and it would be brilliant if it worked tho I admit.
Not sure how our foreign contingent would react to a young championship manager coming in, would there be enough respect to get a reaction out of them
Should do. In his very first Premier League game in charge of Man Utd away at Tuchels Chelsea he started Ronaldo on the bench and still got a result there almost winning it. Comes back in the side for his last game in charge at Old Trafford and they beat Artetas Arsenal side 3-2 scoring twice. His 1st game in charge was a win away at Emerys Villareal.
The geezer has gravitas in the game and if they weren't prepared to listen to him with everything he's done in the game, they can definitely sling their hook.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 21:51
by Rusta
Not keen on Carrick getting the job, hasn’t done quite enough to earn a crack at our job imo. Would obviously get behind him and it would be brilliant if it worked tho I admit.
Not sure how our foreign contingent would react to a young championship manager coming in, would there be enough respect to get a reaction out of them
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 20:29
by LJC
Didn’t he also say that during that period he created a dossier on each player, had identified the players he needed, given them to Tim and Sullivan who had ok’d them?
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 19:07
by Fauxstralian
Not sure if came to games but think it was said he watched our games closely for a fair bit of last season
Maybe he should have paid more attention or come on here
Fairly obvious our problems were:
Turgid midfield with no pace or energy
Ancient centre forwards
Soft defence
He managed to cure none of that & has come up with a worse deployment of the players on hand
Think there was a game last season when Moyes played Ben Johnson as a second left back / winger
Last night was obviously a tribute with the part of Johnson played by Emerson ahead of AWB
Has no clue of his best structure of which players should feature
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 18:56
by Massive Attack
Solidbond1 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 17:55
The thing that pisses me off about Lopetgui is he sat in the stands watching us at the bulk end of last season knowing he was going to get the job , now in that time he couldn’t identify the problems with our midfielders not being good enough,fast enough or even strong enough when it stood out like a sore thumb especially Alvarez, not only was he happy to keep Alvarez but added more of the same in Rodriguez , my first priority would of been to get rid of Alvarez and then added pace to the midfield. For this alone he should be sacked for incompetence imho
What games did he attend? I've never seen him pictured in the stands so apologies if I missed it.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 18:02
by Lee Trundle
Solidbond1 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 17:55
The thing that pisses me off about Lopetgui is he sat in the stands watching us at the bulk end of last season knowing he was going to get the job , now in that time he couldn’t identify the problems with our midfielders not being good enough,fast enough or even strong enough when it stood out like a sore thumb especially Alvarez, not only was he happy to keep Alvarez but added more of the same in Rodriguez , my first priority would of been to get rid of Alvarez and then added pace to the midfield. For this alone he should be sacked for incompetence imho
It's even more puzzling if you think his first signing was to resign Cresswell on a year contract and then deciding he's not up to the Premier League any more and not even play him.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 17:55
by Solidbond1
The thing that pisses me off about Lopetgui is he sat in the stands watching us at the bulk end of last season knowing he was going to get the job , now in that time he couldn’t identify the problems with our midfielders not being good enough,fast enough or even strong enough when it stood out like a sore thumb especially Alvarez, not only was he happy to keep Alvarez but added more of the same in Rodriguez , my first priority would of been to get rid of Alvarez and then added pace to the midfield. For this alone he should be sacked for incompetence imho
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 17:27
by collyrob
They’ll wait until after January so they don’t have to spend to back a new manager
I’m aware of that obviously, but you made the comparison of 19 games. One manager of which had already improved their results and was on target for their highest points total, and another who got the sack at the end of the season despite an improvement.
You seem to be clutching at straws trying to argue how Lopetegui could turn it around, when there is nothing to suggest it when actually watching us.
It wasn't to make an exact comparison as Footballs not an exact science, but a similar situation during all their poor starts to the season which eventually improved as the season progressed. And yes I had seen an improvement in our play since Newcastle and results had picked up as well prior to last nights game. I also stated there's no guarantee the 2nd half of the season will kick on like the other 2 managers either just that it's can happen after a very poor start to a season.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 17:12
by nychammer
Carrick is either going to be our version of Arsenal’s Arteta or Villa’s Gerrard. Who can say. One thing I’m pretty sure we do know is that Villa or Arsenals chairman……what’s their name again?….exactly….
I’m aware of that obviously, but you made the comparison of 19 games. One manager of which had already improved their results and was on target for their highest points total, and another who got the sack at the end of the season despite an improvement.
You seem to be clutching at straws trying to argue how Lopetegui could turn it around, when there is nothing to suggest it when actually watching us.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 16:48
by LJC
Won’t get much resistance from their board or fans it seems so that’s a big worry.
factory seconds" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:39
i don't think the support, who are frogmarched into the worst matchgoing experience in english football, would have the patience for potter.
we currently need someone like a first season bilic or a circa 2005 pardew. rough around the edges but with plenty of attacking intent, and enough of a character to perform the required role of ringmaster as well as manager. would help if they're a bit of a nutcase too.
defensive pragmatists and systematic dullards need not apply.
Should we do it, I want it to be Carrick. He'd unify us and like his style. Would look the part for me at West Ham and thought it when he was Man Utds caretaker manager. Think he'll end up having a decent managerial career.
carrick would come in on a wave of good will given his WHU beginnings, and would at least change the narrative from "be careful what you wish for FC" to "man united legend michael carrick FC" in the media. can't claim to know much about his football but i think he'd make a better fist of it than potter. has something a bit johnny lyall about his manner too, if punted 300 miles northeast.
factory seconds" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:39
i don't think the support, who are frogmarched into the worst matchgoing experience in english football, would have the patience for potter.
we currently need someone like a first season bilic or a circa 2005 pardew. rough around the edges but with plenty of attacking intent, and enough of a character to perform the required role of ringmaster as well as manager. would help if they're a bit of a nutcase too.
defensive pragmatists and systematic dullards need not apply.
Should we do it, I want it to be Carrick. He'd unify us and like his style both on and off the pitch. Would look the part for me at West Ham and thought it when he was Man Utds caretaker manager. Think he'll end up having a decent managerial career.
Carrick might be a good shout. Fits the young, up and coming brief that people seem to want, and obviously has history with us.
I just don’t see Sullivan changing managers.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 16:43
by Massive Attack
factory seconds" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:39
i don't think the support, who are frogmarched into the worst matchgoing experience in english football, would have the patience for potter.
we currently need someone like a first season bilic or a circa 2005 pardew. rough around the edges but with plenty of attacking intent, and enough of a character to perform the required role of ringmaster as well as manager. would help if they're a bit of a nutcase too.
defensive pragmatists and systematic dullards need not apply.
Should we do it, I want it to be Carrick. He'd unify us and like his style both on and off the pitch. Someone like Bilic who instantly gets our values but with a more measured and calmer way of going about it. Would look the part for me at West Ham and thought it when he was Man Utds caretaker manager. Would also instantly command the respect of everyone. Think he'll end up having a decent managerial career.
We are closer to Chelsea in terms of success than we are to Brighton.
They biggest thing Brighton have won in their history is a 3rd division title (or charity shield).
We’re still light years away from the success Chelsea have had.
I never said we were close to their success.
I said we're closer to them than we are to Brighton, who have won nothing.
My apologies.
I’d still take Brighton’s style over ours, even though it means we wouldn’t have won the ECL.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 16:39
by factory seconds
i don't think the support, who are frogmarched into the worst matchgoing experience in english football, would have the patience for potter.
we currently need someone like a first season bilic or a circa 2005 pardew. rough around the edges but with plenty of attacking intent, and enough of a character to perform the required role of ringmaster as well as manager. would help if they're a bit of a nutcase too.
defensive pragmatists and systematic dullards need not apply.
