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Lopetegui (sacked 8.1.2025)
Posted: 18 Aug 2024, 01:31
by maverick180
I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season
Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit
We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge
But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 16:38
by John Coffey
Massive Attack" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:31
John Coffey" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:25
Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:19
We are closer to Chelsea in terms of success than we are to Brighton.
They biggest thing Brighton have won in their history is a 3rd division title (or charity shield).
We’re still light years away from the success Chelsea have bought*.
*Sorry, had to correct that bit
Ha no problem. Not many clubs in the PL era have had that sort of success without buying it. Considering what we’ve spent in recent times maybe we should have achieved more.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 16:31
by Massive Attack
John Coffey" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:25
Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:19
John Coffey" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:17
In terms of what? Certainly not success.
We are closer to Chelsea in terms of success than we are to Brighton.
They biggest thing Brighton have won in their history is a 3rd division title (or charity shield).
We’re still light years away from the success Chelsea have bought*.
*Sorry, had to correct that bit
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 16:30
by Massive Attack
Jaan Kenbrovin" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:22
Massive Attack" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:20
Jaan Kenbrovin" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:15
No it doesn’t but trying to compare Iraola as somehow underperforming at the turn of the year is nonsense by comparison.
No, struggled in his 1st half of the season and was being considered for the sack.
If you isolated it to 8 games you might have had a point, but 10th and 28 points after 19 games is on for their best ever season.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 16:29
by Lee Trundle
John Coffey" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:25
Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:19
John Coffey" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:17
In terms of what? Certainly not success.
We are closer to Chelsea in terms of success than we are to Brighton.
They biggest thing Brighton have won in their history is a 3rd division title (or charity shield).
We’re still light years away from the success Chelsea have had.
I never said we were close to their success.
I said we're closer to them than we are to Brighton, who have won nothing.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 16:26
by Mad Ferret
John Coffey" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:24
Mad Ferret" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:21
John Coffey" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:17
In terms of what? Certainly not success.
To be fair, Brighton have never even won a trophy.
Also, our fanbase is probably about 10 times the size to that of Brighton’s.
I agree. But we’re still nowhere near Chelsea in terms of success.
We were pre-Abramovic. But yeah, I agree.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 16:25
by John Coffey
Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:19
John Coffey" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:17
Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:12
We're much more closer to a club to Chelsea, than we are to Brighton.
He wouldn't be my choice.
In terms of what? Certainly not success.
We are closer to Chelsea in terms of success than we are to Brighton.
They biggest thing Brighton have won in their history is a 3rd division title (or charity shield).
We’re still light years away from the success Chelsea have had.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 16:24
by Massive Attack
John Coffey" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:14
Massive Attack" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:09
Chelsea were 6th in the League above Liverpool when Potter took over from Tuchel. Thats some drop to 12th in the end only to get humiliated further by being replaced by Lampard as a caretaker. Almost 2 years out as well I think Trunds said.
Think it was widely known that Todd Boehly was constantly interfering during Potter’s tenure. I will concede that our owner does similar but to a lesser degree.
I don’t see Potter being any worse than the fraud currently in charge and is without doubt more forward thinking.
Where are you c & p ing your stats from by the way?
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 16:24
by John Coffey
Mad Ferret" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:21
John Coffey" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:17
Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:12
We're much more closer to a club to Chelsea, than we are to Brighton.
He wouldn't be my choice.
In terms of what? Certainly not success.
To be fair, Brighton have never even won a trophy.
Also, our fanbase is probably about 10 times the size to that of Brighton’s.
I agree. But we’re still nowhere near Chelsea in terms of success.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 16:22
by Jaan Kenbrovin
Massive Attack" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:20
Jaan Kenbrovin" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:15
No it doesn’t but trying to compare Iraola as somehow underperforming at the turn of the year is nonsense by comparison.
No, struggled in his 1st half of the season and was being considered for the sack.
If you isolated it to 8 games you might have had a point, but 10th and 28 points after 19 games is on for their best ever season.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 16:21
by Mad Ferret
John Coffey" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:17
Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:12
We're much more closer to a club to Chelsea, than we are to Brighton.
He wouldn't be my choice.
In terms of what? Certainly not success.
To be fair, Brighton have never even won a trophy.
Also, our fanbase is probably about 10 times the size to that of Brighton’s.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 16:20
by Massive Attack
Jaan Kenbrovin" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:15
Massive Attack" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:10
Jaan Kenbrovin" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:08
Bournemouth have only finished in the top ten once and 12th equals their second highest ever finish, with Iraola earning their highest ever points total.
That is not a good comparison with Lopetegui.
Because a season ends at halfway..
No it doesn’t but trying to compare Iraola as somehow underperforming at the turn of the year is nonsense by comparison.
No, struggled in his 1st half of the season and was being considered for the sack.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 16:19
by Lee Trundle
John Coffey" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:17
Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:12
We're much more closer to a club to Chelsea, than we are to Brighton.
He wouldn't be my choice.
In terms of what? Certainly not success.
We are closer to Chelsea in terms of success than we are to Brighton.
They biggest thing Brighton have won in their history is a 3rd division title (or charity shield).
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 16:18
by LJC
I think he would be protected from Sullivan by Brady and she would know exactly what he wants to run the club if they are mates.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 16:17
by John Coffey
Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:12
We're much more closer to a club to Chelsea, than we are to Brighton.
He wouldn't be my choice.
In terms of what? Certainly not success.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 16:16
by LJC
I have literally nothing to back this up apart from gut feeling but I think Potter would be a good fit here.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 16:15
by Jaan Kenbrovin
Massive Attack" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:10
Jaan Kenbrovin" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:08
Massive Attack" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 15:21
It's a funny old game, as the old saying goes.
When I cast my mind back to last season we saw Chelsea finish 6th and Bournemouth finish a respectable 12th and us in 9th. However when both new manager's Pochettino and Iraola took charge of their Clubs, they were dogshit for a lot of the 1st half of the season whilst getting to grips with everything going on at their Clubs.
19 games in last season Bournemouth had 28 points in 10th spot
19 games in last season Chelsea had 25 points in 12th spot
19 games in this season West Ham have 23 points in 13th spot
It goes to show that regardless of who initially comes in to manage a new Club, it usually takes a while for it to turn around and both those Teams last season weren't good for a lot of it until later on. And both those managers had calls for their heads as well during the 1st half of the season.
I'm not saying that guarantees it'll happen with Lopetegui, just that it's nothing new and yet once the season ended both Pochettino and Iraola got a lot of praise and Iraola having stayed on has continued where he left off. But it certainly wasn't transformed in the 1st half of the season with similar points and position as to what we currently have.
Bournemouth have only finished in the top ten once and 12th equals their second highest ever finish, with Iraola earning their highest ever points total.
That is not a good comparison with Lopetegui.
Because a season ends at halfway..
No it doesn’t but trying to compare Iraola as somehow underperforming at the turn of the year is nonsense by comparison.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 16:14
by John Coffey
Massive Attack" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:09
Chelsea were 6th in the League above Liverpool when Potter took over from Tuchel. Thats some drop to 12th in the end only to get humiliated further by being replaced by Lampard as a caretaker. Almost 2 years out as well I think Trunds said.
Think it was widely known that Todd Boehly was constantly interfering during Potter’s tenure. I will concede that our owner does similar but to a lesser degree.
I don’t see Potter being any worse than the fraud currently in charge and is without doubt more forward thinking.
Where are you c & p ing your stats from by the way?
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 16:12
by Lee Trundle
We're much more closer to a club to Chelsea, than we are to Brighton.
He wouldn't be my choice.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 16:10
by Massive Attack
Jaan Kenbrovin" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 16:08
Massive Attack" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 15:21
It's a funny old game, as the old saying goes.
When I cast my mind back to last season we saw Chelsea finish 6th and Bournemouth finish a respectable 12th and us in 9th. However when both new manager's Pochettino and Iraola took charge of their Clubs, they were dogshit for a lot of the 1st half of the season whilst getting to grips with everything going on at their Clubs.
19 games in last season Bournemouth had 28 points in 10th spot
19 games in last season Chelsea had 25 points in 12th spot
19 games in this season West Ham have 23 points in 13th spot
It goes to show that regardless of who initially comes in to manage a new Club, it usually takes a while for it to turn around and both those Teams last season weren't good for a lot of it until later on. And both those managers had calls for their heads as well during the 1st half of the season.
I'm not saying that guarantees it'll happen with Lopetegui, just that it's nothing new and yet once the season ended both Pochettino and Iraola got a lot of praise and Iraola having stayed on has continued where he left off. But it certainly wasn't transformed in the 1st half of the season with similar points and position as to what we currently have.
Bournemouth have only finished in the top ten once and 12th equals their second highest ever finish, with Iraola earning their highest ever points total.
That is not a good comparison with Lopetegui.
Because a season ends at halfway..
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 16:09
by Massive Attack
Chelsea were 6th in the League above Liverpool when Potter took over from Tuchel. Thats some drop to 12th in the end only to get humiliated further by being replaced by Lampard as a caretaker. Almost 2 years out as well I think Trunds said.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 16:08
by Jaan Kenbrovin
Massive Attack" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 15:21
It's a funny old game, as the old saying goes.
When I cast my mind back to last season we saw Chelsea finish 6th and Bournemouth finish a respectable 12th and us in 9th. However when both new manager's Pochettino and Iraola took charge of their Clubs, they were dogshit for a lot of the 1st half of the season whilst getting to grips with everything going on at their Clubs.
19 games in last season Bournemouth had 28 points in 10th spot
19 games in last season Chelsea had 25 points in 12th spot
19 games in this season West Ham have 23 points in 13th spot
It goes to show that regardless of who initially comes in to manage a new Club, it usually takes a while for it to turn around and both those Teams last season weren't good for a lot of it until later on. And both those managers had calls for their heads as well during the 1st half of the season.
I'm not saying that guarantees it'll happen with Lopetegui, just that it's nothing new and yet once the season ended both Pochettino and Iraola got a lot of praise and Iraola having stayed on has continued where he left off. But it certainly wasn't transformed in the 1st half of the season with similar points and position as to what we currently have.
Bournemouth have only finished in the top ten once and 12th equals their second highest ever finish, with Iraola earning their highest ever points total.
That is not a good comparison with Lopetegui.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 16:00
by John Coffey
Massive Attack" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 15:55
John Coffey" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 15:51
Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 14:57
I think the only way the majority of us would get behind a new manager at this point in the season would be if we were to pay actual money to get a young manager who's on the up.
That's never going to happen.
Really? That’s depressing. I’d gladly accept Potter right now.
In his season in charge of Chelsea and their embarrassment of riches he only managed a 38% win rate and got replaced by Frank Lampard with Chelsea finishing 12th.
Agreed. And don’t care. I’d take his Brighton style of football over the dogshit we’re still being served up.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 15:57
by twoleftfeet
northbankboy68 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 15:47
Fornsls, Benrahma, Ward Prowse and Downes must be counting their blessings!
You do know that Downes is playing for Southampton right and JWP can’t even get on the pitch for Forest.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 15:55
by Massive Attack
John Coffey" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 15:51
Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 14:57
I think the only way the majority of us would get behind a new manager at this point in the season would be if we were to pay actual money to get a young manager who's on the up.
That's never going to happen.
Really? That’s depressing. I’d gladly accept Potter right now.
In his season in charge of Chelsea and their embarrassment of riches he only managed a 38% win rate and got replaced by Frank Lampard with Chelsea finishing 12th.
Re: Lopetegui
Posted: 30 Dec 2024, 15:55
by goose
Massive Attack" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 15:51
goose wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 15:49
northbankboy68 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 15:47
Fornsls, Benrahma, Ward Prowse and Downes must be counting their blessings!
Recalling JWP would not be a terrible idea. He cannot be worse than Guido or Paqueta.
We committed to allowing him to go on loan for a season, do we definitely have a recall on him, or there for the season now no matter what, unless injured?
[Please avert your eyes H and P, we're discussing Football]
no idea.
probably not knowing our lot.