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"There is a very good section on GB news where the ludicrous idiocies of Wokeness are looked at I thought we would should have one for WHO. I'll start with Baptiste on BBC: In Hungary,an ambassador's family are kidnapped by Islamic terrorists and carry out atrocities. At the end of the last episode Baptiste finds out that it is a false flag operation and conveniently, the real culprits are white supremacists who want to stop all immigration. Coronation Street ITV a gay black footballer is stopped by the police, because he is driving an expensive car. He is pushed to the ground during an altercation, and damages his leg threatening his career. Could have been written by Dawn Butler or a BLM activist."

"claypole 4:10 Fri Sep 3 ""Burying the lede""(because of some weird journalism practice) or lead is taking what should be in the lead paragraph and putting it somewhere else. Something that happened two years ago, however tragic, is not the ""lede"" in a current news story."

"Irons The point (as you surely know) was that I would not have succeeded in burying the fact at all by putting it in the third sentence. Anyhow, enough of your rabbit holes, a rare afternoon trip to the pub beckons... Have a good weekend."

"Fo the Communist 4:06 Fri Sep 3 ""Trust me, if an editor had asked me to bury an important fact and I had gone away and stuck said fact in the third sentence then my arse wouldn't have touched the ground on the way out."" So you think you actually would have been fired for not doing journalism poorly enough? The more you talk about your journalism and journalism in general, the worse you make the journalism you practiced look."

Surely the bit that has been buried by the BBC in that article is the bit about the white supremacist who murdered 51 people in a mosque.

"Irons. I have no idea what led the BBC to report the incidents to which you refer to the way you describe. And to be honest - having agreed that some reports do indeed tend to play down Islam as a cause - I don't have time to go back and look. I have merely said that the report in hand, on this incident, is perfectly fine in my view in terms of balance and fact. Trust me, if an editor had asked me to bury an important fact and I had gone away and stuck said fact in the third sentence then my arse wouldn't have touched the ground on the way out."

"Fo the Communist 3:45 Fri Sep 3 You answer my question first. Why did the BBC deem the variety of extremist in other stories from last few days critical enough to be in the headline and the lead paragraph and not this one? Again when one or two words would do. And again the lede comes from lead, so yes, unless you are pushing clickbait journalism, the third paragraph is burying something deemed critical in other reporting."

"Sorry Irons, you don't 'bury' something' in the third sentence of a story. Particularly one where there are facts of greater importance (the number of poor people gravely injured for example) I assume the 'buried' element in your eyes is that he was an Islamic nutter?"

"Fo the Communist 3:25 Fri Sep 3 No. There are lots of great pieces that I disagree with lots of the content. Read Glenn Greenwald, for instance. The lede comes from the lead paragraph, not the third. So yes burying something in the third that is deemed critical in other stories, when a word or two would change it, is bad journalism. You have not answered why it is important in the headline and lead of the other stories."

"Irons. In three paragraphs you have the number of people hurt and how, the death of the attacker, that it was a terrorist act by an IS-inspired extremist and that the attacker was under surveillance. It is also reporting the PM's first words on the incident. If it were an attempt to bury important information it is a poor attempt. You seem to define poor journalism as any story written in a way other than to your liking."

"Fo the Communist 3:09 Fri Sep 3 It is easily introduced with at most two words. And the BBC is willing to do it in both headlines and lead/lede paragraphs. Why was the type of extremism vital in that story? What is the difference? ""There have been cases when it appears the motives behind attacks (mostly Islamic-inspired) have been suspiciously played down but I don't see this as a case of that."" Hard to play it down when the Prime Minister has to comes out and say it but you not seeing bad journalism when you don't want to is unfortunately a bit of theme in our discussions."

The line is the attack took place and its consequences. That it was IS-inspired is clearly important too and is introduced very early in the story. There have been cases when it appears the motives behind attacks (mostly Islamic-inspired) have been suspiciously played down but I don't see this as a case of that.

Less important story But like say this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-58425648 or https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-58397088

Fo the Communist 2:52 Fri Sep 3 Third paragraph? Not the headline? Do you believe the type of terror and extremism should not be in the headline or at least the first paragraph or the link?

"Seems to me like the main points are covered in the first three paragraphs. What did they miss? ""Police in New Zealand shot and killed a ""violent extremist"" after he stabbed and wounded at least six people in an Auckland supermarket. ""Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said the incident was a ""terrorist attack"" carried out by a Sri Lankan national who was under police surveillance. ""The man, who has not been identified, was a supporter of the Islamic State (IS) terrorist group, Ms Ardern said."""

"Seems to me like the main points are covered in the first three paragraphs. What did they miss? ""Police in New Zealand shot and killed a ""violent extremist"" after he stabbed and wounded at least six people in an Auckland supermarket. ""Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said the incident was a ""terrorist attack"" carried out by a Sri Lankan national who was under police surveillance. ""The man, who has not been identified, was a supporter of the Islamic State (IS) terrorist group, Ms Ardern said."""

"Sorry autocomplete ""lede"""

Fo the Communist 2:37 Fri Sep 3 I hope you know what the term means.

"Irons, what do you mean by 'burying the lead'?"

So basically Jacinda and her team knew this bloke was dangerous but couldn’t lock him up till he committed a crime. I bet the 6 victims are very happy to hear that 👍👍

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58405213 Is this burying the lead? And if you follow it from the BBC front page, it is more so."

"Fucking hell, as if you couldn't embarrass yourself anymore, you long necked freak."

You twat.

Jaan Kenbrovin 12:09 Fri Sep 3 Ag ag ag

"arse. TTWCTT story was featured on the 'Spiked' podcast last week,fucking madness dont come close."

The Tiger Who Came to Tea critcised by Zero Tolerance because it teaches violence and sexism. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tiger-who-came-to-tea-teaches-boys-violence-and-sexism-for-life-p92bkwl8k