The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)

[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[goose]

Can only gain access through tariffs?
try and make it make sense son.



 

Yes, you can open up markets with Tariffs, Trump just proved that with the UK.

However Tariffs aren’t the only way numbnuts.

You’re too thick to talk to.

Have a good night and remember.

MAGA.

So 10% additional tariff opens up the Chinese market but 0% didn’t??

Like I said Nutsin son, try and make it make sense.

[goose]

- latest set of data, US manufacturing lost about 1,000 jobs. That’s a fact.

 

Lol!!!

Remind me of the size of the US manufacturing workforce. What's 1,000 as a percentage? What was the figure for the previous month. I think you mean statistically speaking flat. That's a fact.

Meanwhile non-farm payrolls rose 177,000.

The number is factual. I tell you something else it isn’t - it isn’t growth which is what Nutsin claimed was happening.

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

- latest set of data, US manufacturing lost about 1,000 jobs. That’s a fact.

Lol!!!

Remind me of the size of the US manufacturing workforce. What's 1,000 as a percentage? What was the figure for the previous month. I think you mean statistically speaking flat. That's a fact.

Meanwhile non-farm payrolls rose 177,000.

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

China couldn't win a trade war with the US. It could make things very difficult for the US but every option it has would affect them far more. Trump's strong arm approach is getting the reaction he wants one way or another. It may hurt the US a little, but nowhere near as much as anyone else willing to resist. Eventually trade deals will close the rebalance of trade Trump wants, and things will settle.

The irony with the UK is that there wouldn't have been a trade deal with the US had Starmer  been succussful in canvassing on behalf of the democrats in the US. Instead, he had to make a deal to stop a tarrif war he  could never win, and somehow thinks he came out like he masterminded a win for the UK.
 

[Nutsin]

Can only gain access through tariffs?
try and make it make sense son.


 

Yes, you can open up markets with Tariffs, Trump just proved that with the UK.

However Tariffs aren’t the only way numbnuts.

You’re too thick to talk to.

Have a good night and remember.

MAGA.

[goose]

This WTO:

“The World Trade Organization (WTO) has forecast that global trade will fall this year because of US President Donald Trump's tariffs.It added "severe downside risks", including reciprocal tariffs and political uncertainty, could lead to an even sharper decline in global goods trade. "The decline is expected to be particularly steep in North America," the WTO said, forecasting trade to drop by more than a tenth in that region.”

 

The Chinese have morphed into a neo mercantile economy, that’s about to change. Those days are over. 

Otherwise they’ll be priced out of the US market by hefty Tariffs. Something they can’t afford. Meanwhile the US will continue to move their imports from other countries. 

Will be bumpy if China chooses to destroy its own economy but we will fair much better.

And as for the prediction of even more bad news, you might find that companies front load their goods and services these next 3 months to stack their supplies boosting economic growth for this quarter.
Again  nothing is written in stone as far as all of your negative projections. They have all been wrong so far, no matter who the source is. About time you caught a clue isn’t it? Or are you content being stuck on Stupid?

Priced out by who exactly? You’ve already been walked through how reliant the world is on China, not only for finished goods but also input raw materials. That’s not changing. So the consumer will be paying those tariffs.

Where alternatives are possible, they’re more expensive than current choices so the consumer pays more there.

and then in exports you’ve made entry to the Chinese market harder because of additional tariffs.

[goose]

Can only gain access through tariffs?
try and make it make sense son.

 

[Nutsin]

Jesus Christ.

You absolute div.

You call me a div, Mr UK can only gain access through Tariffs into the Chinese markets.

What a cսnt!

[Nutsin]

This WTO:

“The World Trade Organization (WTO) has forecast that global trade will fall this year because of US President Donald Trump's tariffs.It added "severe downside risks", including reciprocal tariffs and political uncertainty, could lead to an even sharper decline in global goods trade. "The decline is expected to be particularly steep in North America," the WTO said, forecasting trade to drop by more than a tenth in that region.”

 

 

The Chinese have morphed into a neo mercantile economy, that’s about to change. Those days are over. 

Otherwise they’ll be priced out of the US market by hefty Tariffs. Something they can’t afford. Meanwhile the US will continue to move their imports from other countries. 

Will be bumpy if China chooses to destroy its own economy but we will fair much better.

And as for the prediction of even more bad news, you might find that companies front load their goods and services these next 3 months to stack their supplies boosting economic growth for this quarter.
Again  nothing is written in stone as far as all of your negative projections. They have all been wrong so far, no matter who the source is. About time you caught a clue isn’t it? Or are you content being stuck on Stupid?

[goose]

Jesus Christ.

You absolute div.

[Nutsin]

This WTO:

“The World Trade Organization (WTO) has forecast that global trade will fall this year because of US President Donald Trump's tariffs.It added "severe downside risks", including reciprocal tariffs and political uncertainty, could lead to an even sharper decline in global goods trade. "The decline is expected to be particularly steep in North America," the WTO said, forecasting trade to drop by more than a tenth in that region.”

In response to your ignorance about the markets being opened to the UK



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China's agreement with the WTO, finalized in 2001, involved extensive commitments to open its economy and reduce trade barriers. These included significant tariff reductions, elimination of quotas and licenses, and the opening of key service sectors to foreign investment. China also committed to aligning its trade practices with WTO rules and principles, including intellectual property protection and dispute resolution. 

[goose]

This WTO:

“The World Trade Organization (WTO) has forecast that global trade will fall this year because of US President Donald Trump's tariffs.It added "severe downside risks", including reciprocal tariffs and political uncertainty, could lead to an even sharper decline in global goods trade. "The decline is expected to be particularly steep in North America," the WTO said, forecasting trade to drop by more than a tenth in that region.”

[Nutsin]

The markets are down YTD. 
The markets were stronger before Trump and his tariffs.
There are no tariffs on U.K. goods imported into China you div.

simple question for your simple brain:
Which scenario is better for opening up the Chinese market to US companies?
a) zero tariffs 
b) 10%+

i will get you a calculator and some crayons.

Who mentioned UK Tariffs fuckwit, I was talking about China opening up its market.

As for Tariffs I think China understands what will happen in 90 days if they don’t give concessions and it’s called Tariffs, big ones at that.

You really are an imbecile!

Poor Goose just doesn’t understand.

Funny how China stopped reporting it’s economic activity all of a sudden.

You cannot be this simple minded.
YOU mentioned the U.K.:
“Perhaps the UK and others can benefit from all this too with their trade agreements with China”

The U.K. has zero tariffs into China, I’d love to know how it will benefit from the US who have a worse deal.

I see you avoided the simple question I posed you, because we both know the (blindingly obvious) answer.

Oh dear, sounds like you’ve never heard of the WTO.

poor Goose.

[BRANDED]

Italian and yank gays bitchin

[goose]

Dow Jones is up big today on the news. Dow is the index for the top US companies, S&P is up too. Same it’s US companies.

China trade agreement where China opens its market to the USA is an obvious boost to US stocks. Stocks move in anticipation of outcome, they don’t wait for the day of the trade deal to be signed to move ffs.

Obviously risk on trade back into equities, namely US companies is because of the news that a new framework is being negotiated. 

How can you be so ignorant? 

Let’s see what happens and what concessions are made.

Suffice to say it’s a good day for MAGA and a good day for global trade all thanks to Trump. Perhaps the UK and others can benefit from all this too with their trade agreements with China. Time will tell.

So much going on, Trump was involved in the ceasefire agreement between India and Pakistan too.

Now he is heading to Saudi, Qatar and Emirates, then apparently stopping at Turkey too to be there for Putin and Zelensky’s meeting.

What an amazing effort!

Poor Goose so desperate for Misery. What a life.



MAGA!

The markets are down YTD. 
The markets were stronger before Trump and his tariffs.
There are no tariffs on U.K. goods imported into China you div.

simple question for your simple brain:
Which scenario is better for opening up the Chinese market to US companies?
a) zero tariffs 
b) 10%+

i will get you a calculator and some crayons.

Who mentioned UK Tariffs fuckwit, I was talking about China opening up its market.

As for Tariffs I think China understands what will happen in 90 days if they don’t give concessions and it’s called Tariffs, big ones at that.

You really are an imbecile!

Poor Goose just doesn’t understand.

Funny how China stopped reporting it’s economic activity all of a sudden.

You cannot be this simple minded.
YOU mentioned the U.K.:
“Perhaps the UK and others can benefit from all this too with their trade agreements with China”

The U.K. has zero tariffs into China, I’d love to know how it will benefit from the US who have a worse deal.

I see you avoided the simple question I posed you, because we both know the (blindingly obvious) answer.

[Nutsin]

How is the stock market a benchmark for US exports into China. Do you have any grasp of what you’re posting about?

the markets are down YTD but have recovered the losses from ‘liberation day’.

proves my point exactly about the markets attitude to tariffs.

Dow Jones is up big today on the news. Dow is the index for the top US companies, S&P is up too. Same it’s US companies.

China trade agreement where China opens its market to the USA is an obvious boost to US stocks. Stocks move in anticipation of outcome, they don’t wait for the day of the trade deal to be signed to move ffs.

Obviously risk on trade back into equities, namely US companies is because of the news that a new framework is being negotiated. 

How can you be so ignorant? 

Let’s see what happens and what concessions are made.

Suffice to say it’s a good day for MAGA and a good day for global trade all thanks to Trump. Perhaps the UK and others can benefit from all this too with their trade agreements with China. Time will tell.

So much going on, Trump was involved in the ceasefire agreement between India and Pakistan too.

Now he is heading to Saudi, Qatar and Emirates, then apparently stopping at Turkey too to be there for Putin and Zelensky’s meeting.

What an amazing effort!

Poor Goose so desperate for Misery. What a life.



MAGA!

The markets are down YTD. 
The markets were stronger before Trump and his tariffs.
There are no tariffs on U.K. goods imported into China you div.

simple question for your simple brain:
Which scenario is better for opening up the Chinese market to US companies?
a) zero tariffs 
b) 10%+

i will get you a calculator and some crayons.

Who mentioned UK Tariffs fuckwit, I was talking about China opening up its market.

As for Tariffs I think China understands what will happen in 90 days if they don’t give concessions and it’s called Tariffs, big ones at that.

You really are an imbecile!

Poor Goose just doesn’t understand.

Funny how China stopped reporting it’s economic activity all of a sudden.

[goose]

Look at the stock market numbnuts!

How is the stock market a benchmark for US exports into China. Do you have any grasp of what you’re posting about?

the markets are down YTD but have recovered the losses from ‘liberation day’.

proves my point exactly about the markets attitude to tariffs.

Dow Jones is up big today on the news. Dow is the index for the top US companies, S&P is up too. Same it’s US companies.

China trade agreement where China opens its market to the USA is an obvious boost to US stocks. Stocks move in anticipation of outcome, they don’t wait for the day of the trade deal to be signed to move ffs.

Obviously risk on trade back into equities, namely US companies is because of the news that a new framework is being negotiated. 

How can you be so ignorant? 

Let’s see what happens and what concessions are made.

Suffice to say it’s a good day for MAGA and a good day for global trade all thanks to Trump. Perhaps the UK and others can benefit from all this too with their trade agreements with China. Time will tell.

So much going on, Trump was involved in the ceasefire agreement between India and Pakistan too.

Now he is heading to Saudi, Qatar and Emirates, then apparently stopping at Turkey too to be there for Putin and Zelensky’s meeting.

What an amazing effort!

Poor Goose so desperate for Misery. What a life.



MAGA!

The markets are down YTD. 
The markets were stronger before Trump and his tariffs.
There are no tariffs on U.K. goods imported into China you div.

simple question for your simple brain:
Which scenario is better for opening up the Chinese market to US companies?
a) zero tariffs 
b) 10%+

i will get you a calculator and some crayons.

[Nutsin]

“to improve American terms and ultimately open up the Chinese market to US companies is a win.”

but they haven’t.
they got worse terms than pre-Trump.

how is higher tariffs for US companies opening up the Chinese market?

and you’ve got the front to tell people to think for themselves  

Look at the stock market numbnuts!

How is the stock market a benchmark for US exports into China. Do you have any grasp of what you’re posting about?

the markets are down YTD but have recovered the losses from ‘liberation day’.

proves my point exactly about the markets attitude to tariffs.

Dow Jones is up big today on the news. Dow is the index for the top US companies, S&P is up too. Same it’s US companies.

China trade agreement where China opens its market to the USA is an obvious boost to US stocks. Stocks move in anticipation of outcome, they don’t wait for the day of the trade deal to be signed to move ffs.

Obviously risk on trade back into equities, namely US companies is because of the news that a new framework is being negotiated. 

How can you be so ignorant? 

Let’s see what happens and what concessions are made.

Suffice to say it’s a good day for MAGA and a good day for global trade all thanks to Trump. Perhaps the UK and others can benefit from all this too with their trade agreements with China. Time will tell.

So much going on, Trump was involved in the ceasefire agreement between India and Pakistan too.

Now he is heading to Saudi, Qatar and Emirates, then apparently stopping at Turkey too to be there for Putin and Zelensky’s meeting.

What an amazing effort!

Poor Goose so desperate for Misery. What a life.



MAGA!

[goose]

How do you know Bessant persuaded Trump on anything? 
Fact that Trumps Tariffs hikes have brought China to the negotiating table to improve American terms and ultimately open up the Chinese market to US companies is a win.

Do I have to spell everything out to you ffs?

Do you struggle with comprehension of what’s happening?

It’s blatantly obvious all you can do is regurgitate left wing propaganda. 

Try thinking for yourself for a change. 

Poor Goose still in the denial phase.

“to improve American terms and ultimately open up the Chinese market to US companies is a win.”

but they haven’t.
they got worse terms than pre-Trump.

how is higher tariffs for US companies opening up the Chinese market?

and you’ve got the front to tell people to think for themselves  

Look at the stock market numbnuts!

How is the stock market a benchmark for US exports into China. Do you have any grasp of what you’re posting about?

the markets are down YTD but have recovered the losses from ‘liberation day’.

proves my point exactly about the markets attitude to tariffs.

[Nutsin]

So what you claiming as a ‘win’ is in fact a deal that hadn’t been struck?? Make your mind up.

Common sense brought both sides to the table. Scott Bessent was the one who persuaded Trump into the U-turn and has taken the lead on this. He appears to be one of the few with some common sense.

The fact remains from April through to August (minimum) those tariffs have pushed inflation into the US economy and made trade with China more expensive as well.

How do you know Bessant persuaded Trump on anything? 
Fact that Trumps Tariffs hikes have brought China to the negotiating table to improve American terms and ultimately open up the Chinese market to US companies is a win.

Do I have to spell everything out to you ffs?

Do you struggle with comprehension of what’s happening?

It’s blatantly obvious all you can do is regurgitate left wing propaganda. 

Try thinking for yourself for a change. 

Poor Goose still in the denial phase.

“to improve American terms and ultimately open up the Chinese market to US companies is a win.”

but they haven’t.
they got worse terms than pre-Trump.

how is higher tariffs for US companies opening up the Chinese market?

and you’ve got the front to tell people to think for themselves  

Look at the stock market numbnuts!

[goose]

Has the final deal been struck? 

Did Tariffs bring China to the negotiating table?

Still floundering!

So what you claiming as a ‘win’ is in fact a deal that hadn’t been struck?? Make your mind up.

Common sense brought both sides to the table. Scott Bessent was the one who persuaded Trump into the U-turn and has taken the lead on this. He appears to be one of the few with some common sense.

The fact remains from April through to August (minimum) those tariffs have pushed inflation into the US economy and made trade with China more expensive as well.

How do you know Bessant persuaded Trump on anything? 
Fact that Trumps Tariffs hikes have brought China to the negotiating table to improve American terms and ultimately open up the Chinese market to US companies is a win.

Do I have to spell everything out to you ffs?

Do you struggle with comprehension of what’s happening?

It’s blatantly obvious all you can do is regurgitate left wing propaganda. 

Try thinking for yourself for a change. 

Poor Goose still in the denial phase.

“to improve American terms and ultimately open up the Chinese market to US companies is a win.”

but they haven’t.
they got worse terms than pre-Trump.

how is higher tariffs for US companies opening up the Chinese market?

and you’ve got the front to tell people to think for themselves  

[Nutsin]

You were saying tariffs would open up markets to the US, but in fact it’s now more expensive for US businesses to export to the 2nd biggest market on the planet.

Has the final deal been struck? 

Did Tariffs bring China to the negotiating table?

Still floundering!

So what you claiming as a ‘win’ is in fact a deal that hadn’t been struck?? Make your mind up.

Common sense brought both sides to the table. Scott Bessent was the one who persuaded Trump into the U-turn and has taken the lead on this. He appears to be one of the few with some common sense.

The fact remains from April through to August (minimum) those tariffs have pushed inflation into the US economy and made trade with China more expensive as well.

How do you know Bessant persuaded Trump on anything? 
Fact that Trumps Tariffs hikes have brought China to the negotiating table to improve American terms and ultimately open up the Chinese market to US companies is a win.

Do I have to spell everything out to you ffs?

Do you struggle with comprehension of what’s happening?

It’s blatantly obvious all you can do is regurgitate left wing propaganda. 

Try thinking for yourself for a change. 

Poor Goose still in the denial phase.

[goose]

The China issue is Fetanyl, trade imbalance, and theft of IP and dumping and currency manipulation. 

We will find out what happens, suffice to say China the bully has now been put on notice, my guess is they will make concessions to address these issues. 

you really are clueless.

You were saying tariffs would open up markets to the US, but in fact it’s now more expensive for US businesses to export to the 2nd biggest market on the planet.

Has the final deal been struck? 

Did Tariffs bring China to the negotiating table?

Still floundering!

So what you claiming as a ‘win’ is in fact a deal that hadn’t been struck?? Make your mind up.

Common sense brought both sides to the table. Scott Bessent was the one who persuaded Trump into the U-turn and has taken the lead on this. He appears to be one of the few with some common sense.

The fact remains from April through to August (minimum) those tariffs have pushed inflation into the US economy and made trade with China more expensive as well.

[Nutsin]

You might wanna look up what tariffs were for US goods imported into China before Trump. 

The China issue is Fetanyl, trade imbalance, and theft of IP and dumping and currency manipulation. 

We will find out what happens, suffice to say China the bully has now been put on notice, my guess is they will make concessions to address these issues. 

you really are clueless.

You were saying tariffs would open up markets to the US, but in fact it’s now more expensive for US businesses to export to the 2nd biggest market on the planet.

Has the final deal been struck? 

Did Tariffs bring China to the negotiating table?

Still floundering!

[goose]

You might want to look up the word reciprocal in the dictionary.

You might wanna look up what tariffs were for US goods imported into China before Trump. 

The China issue is Fetanyl, trade imbalance, and theft of IP and dumping and currency manipulation. 

We will find out what happens, suffice to say China the bully has now been put on notice, my guess is they will make concessions to address these issues. 

you really are clueless.

You were saying tariffs would open up markets to the US, but in fact it’s now more expensive for US businesses to export to the 2nd biggest market on the planet.