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"They are conducting UK trials in Finchley and Jarrow where they pay £1600.00 per month to see how it effects people's mental health and see if they bother to work. It has been reported that the real rate if to come into effect would be £2,000 per month. Benefits have already increased over the last decades encouraging and paying people not to work effectively.Those employed have to earn £70,000 gross salary (£48,575 take home pay) to get the same as a family on benefits. We can see this is a deliberate policy. There will be a tax on the AI/Robots that will take people's jobs to pay for the UBI. Eventually there will be no jobs for humans except the elite who will own all the AI Robot operated corporations and will control. Everyone shall get what their given and be grateful. Complain and you will get your benefits taken away like Communist China and your family will starve. Is this the start of Communism as everyone will get the same income benefits? Would be interesting to know what people think about this massive change in society coming soon and which we can do nothing about apparently."

"Propernawghtynice The cost is - no ownership of assets So your mortgage gets paid off and you have £2k a month free money - yay! However you don’t own your house and when the government deems it too big for you they will move you to a different cell and move others in. You are probably right here as you won't get a mortgage on benefits. If your mortgage is paid off some still would have enough equity left to buy another home/asset. Agreed it won't work in poor countries as the tax to fund it will come from the AI replacing those humans who lost their well paid jobs, but there are very few well paid jor low paid jobs worth implementing AI. They don't have the infostructure of westernised countries to make it work currently on a wide scale."

"Because Mike , they don’t have any assets to hand over in return for debt forgiveness. They are also used to being poor The huge collapse of economy and serious reduction in jobs that is on the way will create mass restlessness in the developed world. Free money in return for assets will appease the majority."

"Why don't the powers that be roll this sort of thing out first in the most deprived countries, as a sort of global levelling-up process? Payment in a crypto-currency that can only, in turn, be used at certain shops/stores on certain items (to try and control any potential corruption/extortion). That would encourage/expand (certain sectors of) the country's economy and will allow some of the most deprived to consider/start productive activities. All that's really needed is nationwide internet access (which is fast approaching, globally); the actual operations & management of such a process can be done ""in the cloud""."

"According to.the 2021 census, unpaid carers in.the UK are worth £162 bn to.the UK economy....with about 5m people in.the country taking on the role of unpaid carer. https://healthwatchgreenwich.co.uk/news/2023-05-12/carers-uk-unpaid-carers-england-and-wales-providing-care-worth-ps162-billion-year#:~:text=Using%20data%20from%20Census%202021,%C2%A3162%20billion%20a%20year."

"Has this been tried in other countries? What is the data in those countries telling us about the success of this? I am.open minded about this if its shown it can work and is actually an incentive to.work, which it could well be. One of the issues no is while people will.work on benefits is that they are still stuck.when taking on extra because they'll.lose money and help with other benefits too. Also what many of you are overlooking here is the amount of unpaid carers we have. Attendance allowance isn't that much compared to how much a person would lose in pay if they had to go part time, or full.time time to look after a loved one. We are facing a dementia time bomb, it's already Britain's biggest killer. So if we offset the amount paid to.people in universal.income as opposed to what is saved in the cost of care for thousands of people that figure could be significantly different.."

"I'd be delighted to get 2k per month for doing sweet fa, but I'd still work. I'd be bored shitless otherwise."

Is this the beginning of the Morlocks trying to turn us into Eloi’s?

It's an election year both here and the State. What wins more votes.? We give you free money. Or Gets off your fat lazy arse. And earn a living.! I wonder why the powers that be are talking this up.

"dealcanvey 12:03 Mon Feb 12 ...""There is so much money in this world.""... Isn't that a lot of it debt though, not real wealth, and if that was all paid back, many economies (rich fuckers) would simply vanish?"

See the likes of Musk talking about this being the future. Weird. I thought too many people on benefits were the problem. Now it’s the awnser? There is so much money in this world. As long as the elite have the lions share is all that matters.

"It'll be fine for the anticipated/expected demograph of the developed nations. No need to educate people beyond potty training and tying their own shoe laces, so a fortune saved on pointless education. Standardised living accommodation that can be mass-produced as a flat-pack in the third world for - and probably from - peanuts. Everything delivered to your home by drone/robotic transport, so no need to keep the roads & railways in good condition. Probably many more ""benefits"" - all sport being done on computer with CGI & avatars so good nobody could tell they're not real people..."

"""Here is the link, they refer to London. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/income/families-benefits-better-off-earning-70k-london/"" Behind a paywall."

"Willtell. Yes agree, once you remove career advancement AND the financial rewards that go with it nobody would ever put their hand up for more stress and responsibility. I don’t think it ends well."

"Westside 12:56 Sun Feb 11 Here is the link, they refer to London. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/income/families-benefits-better-off-earning-70k-london/"

"Much of the £2,000 per month will be covered by removing the £12,000 per year personal tax allowance, so still the same number of pounds in a working-man's pocket. The rest will come from simply re-labelling & rebranding current benefits and allowances and laying off thousands and thousands of civil servants."

"I don’t suppose this will have any impact on net migration,, fortunately"

"A few years ago the wife and I went to Vietnam. Looking around a Hanoi museum the guide was asked about communism and private enterprise being encouraged in Vietnam. The tour guide explained that the government gave everyone a similar monthly salary for whatever job they did. Unfortunately, she explained, this resulted in everyone becoming lazy and stopping doing their jobs and students not bothering to become doctors, scientists or get other skills. Basically nearly all human beings are lazy bastards when they can get away with it…"

Would just about cover my home insurance renewal price this year!! Wish they would just concentrate on the shit that needs fixing.

It’s would never catch on. Because along with all the problems already mentioned. The powers that be in this country have always been cheap.!

Work is good for you. Most people will get bored and spend money that they don't have to alleviate the boredom. This will increase mental illness not help it.

What is the incentive to work if you don't have to? Independence and freedom probably.

What is the incentive to work if you don't have to? Independence and freedom probably.

"Way I see it is, if you need someone to create a job for you, you will lose out to AI. And if you are creating jobs, you will be cooperating with other people to create work for AI. Globalisation is nothing new either - if you can't cope with it, you can always go and live in a cave."

"UBI and CBDC will work in parallel in the future. You will only get UBI through trackable digital currency and what is more eventually they will control what you spend it on as well. There are also think-tank ideas that to be eligible for UBI as people are laid off in thousands for AI that you would have to sign over any property you own and they would let you carry on living there but of course then don't own an asset and can't buy it back. It is a globalist desire to stop personal home ownership. One way is to stop anyone ever being able to afford one by controlling income and the other to find a way that existing owners have to give them up and can't hand them down. I seriously believe that with the moves being made by the globalists and so called 'elites' that our children and grandchildren are going to lives managed heavily by the state and not enjoy the freedoms we have to work, travel, talk to who we want and have an opinion which is different to theirs. China has managed to keep a population of a billion in check and everyone wants a piece of that. UBI is a globalist idea and been trialled in a number of countries. The basic idea of bringing people out of poverty and improving their well-being is to my mind humanitarian but you also have to see how these changes can also bring about control and anyone who is dependent on the state is easy to control. Some details on trials at this site. https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/2/19/21112570/universal-basic-income-ubi-map"

"""Benefits have already increased over the last decades encouraging and paying people not to work effectively.Those employed have to earn £70,000 gross salary (£48,575 take home pay) to get the same as a family on benefits. "" The benefits cap, introduced over 10 years ago, limits a family on benefits to just over £25k (London, less in rest of the country), so just over half the £48,575. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/benefit-cap/ The vast majority of the cost of benefits paid to those of working age, is to those in employment. Benefits are a massive cost to the government, budgeted to be over £265 billion (just over half to pensioners), in the current tax year. It is estimated income tax, will £268 billion, in the same period."