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Wasn't a penalty because contact was initiated outside the box. It would have been a free kick had he not dived.

Full Rug" wrote: ↑30 Sep 2024, 10:22 What debate do you want with that, 'Lopetegui fan here' son? Let's have it right, there was a very very slight pull, but he dived. That aside, we got absolutely fucking walloped in that game, and we've been shit all season. One dubious penalty decision not given means the square root of fuck all.

I don'y buy the corruption conspiracy, it's just piss poor officiating.

What debate do you want with that, 'Lopetegui fan here' son? Let's have it right, there was a very very slight pull, but he dived. That aside, we got absolutely fucking walloped in that game, and we've been shit all season. One dubious penalty decision not given means the square root of fuck all.

Good debate as always, Full Rug. 

Yeah, that makes up for being absolutely pony all season.

Just seen this..



like I said, blatant stonewall Penalty and even a good case for a Red at a crucial part of the game when we were putting on the pressure.

Game is corrupt as fuck if the likes of Chelsea get away with huge calls like that, after VAR decide there's absolutely fuck all anyone can do, or even think there is an issue. 

onsideman wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 12:58

scott_d wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 07:51

onsideman wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 17:09

Both would have smashed us this season if they'd been able to finish

But they didn't.

you go ahead and focus on the results, the more intuitive of us will concentrate on the performances 

Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 08:28

scott_d wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 14:36
I also think that (and this is not saying we would or should have gotten anything from the game), if the ref gives that penalty and we make it 2-1 then it could have changed the game.


 

You are aware you wrote that previously?

scott_d wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 07:51

onsideman wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 17:09

scott_d wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 14:36
Away from home we've beaten an Palace team and drawn with Fulham, both teams smashed us last season.


 

Both would have smashed us this season if they'd been able to finish

But they didn't.

Cumchops

You’re not even debating and your views on football belong in a museum cellar mutant embryo display case.

Hammer and Pickle" wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 10:51 Cumchops. You have absolutely no evidence to claim Moyes “barely tolerated” anything about Paqueta let alone some “showboating” you have just imagined. But you are a total cսnt and no mistake.

Cumchops. You have absolutely no evidence to claim Moyes “barely tolerated” anything about Paqueta let alone some “showboating” you have just imagined. But you are a total cսnt and no mistake.

claypole wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 10:13 As an opposition manager as soon as Paqueta gets the ball centrally press him quickly because you know he is going to throw himself on the floor. I expect this why Moyes played him out wide.

claypole wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 10:13 As an opposition manager as soon as Paqueta gets the ball centrally press him quickly because you know he is going to throw himself on the floor. I expect this why Moyes played him out wide.

As an opposition manager as soon as Paqueta gets the ball centrally press him quickly because you know he is going to throw himself on the floor. I expect this why Moyes played him out wide.

Noticed this so much when modern game is played badly, I’ve basically started to ignore it. If you don’t use the empty space out wide created by your forwards, as soon as you lose the ball in the final phase of an attack, you’re wide open. No wonder Paqueta and Kudus looked miffed: they’ve either got no passing option (Paqueta) or service (Kudus) and playing Browen down the middle just compounds the problem. Yes it means you have to run up and down the line all game, but that’s your fucking job these days son!

Was listening to the Analytics United Post-match Podcast that breaks down each match post game, and they had some interesting insights, especially around why we're doing what we're doing tactically, and where it's going wrong.

Basically a lot of the defenisve problems on the break are of our own making.  We're deliberately playing our full backs high, because this is how we're looking to generate an overload in attack (typically 5 vs 4) with a 3-2-5/2-3-5 formation in the final third.  Bowen and Kudus moving inside to drag the full backs with them, as a result generating the space for the full backs to move in and pass the ball into the box. The defenders and the 6 spread across the half way line to deal with long balls, and the two '8s' holding space centrally to compete for the second ball off of the cross from out wide.

Trouble is our full backs are creating the overloads, but instead of using them, we're turning inside and shooting from distance or running into trouble centrally, or trying the miracle dink through ball (Paqueta).

This is totally counter to the approach and tactics.... done properly if the game breaks down, the ball is outwide and it's harder to launch a swift break from there, as you can press using the touchline as a 'defender', and the 'out ball' for the defender is long which the high line can then deal with, or if the cross doesn't succeed, the ball pops up in the air, is there to be won as a second ball and gives time for players to reposition while the second ball outcome is determined.

But by not using the full backs on the overload, this results in us losing the ball in the middle, unable to press effectively, and allowing teams to break through us centrally with the defenders who are setup to defend aerial out balls exposed, and the full-backs out of the game.

So we're getting into the positions that are fundamental to us doing what Lopetegui is trying to get us to do, but players are not then playing the easy pass out wide, and it's killing us on the break.

scott_d wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 14:36
I also think that (and this is not saying we would or should have gotten anything from the game), if the ref gives that penalty and we make it 2-1 then it could have changed the game.

 

onsideman wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 17:09

scott_d wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 14:36
Away from home we've beaten an Palace team and drawn with Fulham, both teams smashed us last season.

 

Both would have smashed us this season if they'd been able to finish

scott_d wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 14:36
Away from home we've beaten an Palace team and drawn with Fulham, both teams smashed us last season.
 

We have four wing players in the team, Antonio, Bowen, Summerville, and Kudus. Why then play our full backs as wing backs when teams can attack us with impugnity down both wings with both our centre backs unwilling to cover that area. Our full backs are the only defenders who have the slightest semblance of pace to counter these quick breaks that our opponents have exploited. We are caught down blind alleys when attacking through lack of movement of our forwards to make space. T he resultant turnovers are costing us dear.

It's too early to panic.

Aston Villa look pretty decent this season, Man City are probably going to win the League and Chelsea has a strong finish to last season and for all we know they could do something this season so in time the results might not look as bad.

I also think that (and this is not saying we would or should have gotten anything from the game), if the ref gives that penalty and we make it 2-1 then it could have changed the game.

Away from home we've beaten an Palace team and drawn with Fulham, both teams smashed us last season.

Yes it seems like there are some odd decisions but as long as JLo is learning from them then we'll be better for it in the long run.

You learn more from what you get wrong than from what you get right.

It's laughable how much he's relied on Soucek and Antonio so far this season.

2 players I'd hope we'd be moving away from have become important components for Lopetegui's squad.

Oh and i thought Caicedo for them was absolutely immense. His aggression, speed and ground covered in the middle was light years above what our 'midfield' was offering. We have yet again another team which largely lacks pace. But the lack of tempo in anything we done or aggresion off the ball was very worrying. It doesn't look like they are playing for him and it doesnt look like we have many tactics off the ball.