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Mike Oxsaw" wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 18:35

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 18:33

Mike Oxsaw" wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 18:22

Come on then, what is it that you've "found", not "what do I sound like" (to you)?

I found the video clip I was looking for. The one explaining the terms of the ECHR treaty. I thought you’d find it useful. It’s what’s currently being referenced to as a reason as to why we can’t deport these savages.

It’s kind of important.

So at what point did I (that's me, that is, not you) mention the ECHR and "deporting savages"?

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 18:33

Mike Oxsaw" wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 18:22

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 18:18

You sound like a Democrat talking about the Deep state. I’ve heard it all before mate. 

Come on then, what is it that you've "found", not "what do I sound like" (to you)?

I found the video clip I was looking for. The one explaining the terms of the ECHR treaty. I thought you’d find it useful. It’s what’s currently being referenced to as a reason as to why we can’t deport these savages.

It’s kind of important.

Mike Oxsaw" wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 18:22

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 18:18

Mike Oxsaw" wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 18:05

What, exactly, is it you've "found", and how does it relate to my claim that the state holds all the aces when it comes to actually running the country?

You sound like a Democrat talking about the Deep state. I’ve heard it all before mate. 

Come on then, what is it that you've "found", not "what do I sound like" (to you)?

Mike Oxsaw" wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 18:20

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 18:08

Mike Oxsaw" wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 18:01

 

Allow me to correct you.

Whatever flavour of government is in power, it is the state, not the government that actually implements the government's policies - but only if they approve; just look at the effort they put in to getting/trying to get Brexit overturned. They're still smarting like crazy from that one - how very dare the population have a say in how the state runs the country?

If the state (Be it the MoD, MoJ, Home Office, HMRC, etc.) decides to not play along, nothing happens.

 

I disagree, Brexit proves the point. A referendum on the ECHR would be a second example.
Don’t underestimate the power of the people.

 

Brexit only got through because the people were pissed off with it dominating the headlines.

Boris Johnson caught that sentiment and got into power on the back of it, but even then the state was using every trick in the book - and then some - to try and thwart him; they came pretty close at times, too.

It wasn't "people power" that got Brexit over the line, it was simply a case of media fatigue - nobody wanted to hear about it 24/7 any more - either way.

I doubt that many those being asked to partake in a referendum for leaving the ECHR have the slightest clue as to what it does, so calling one would only create a tsunami of disinformation from both sides and, most probably a result not too dissimilar to the Brexit result and it's following state encouraged shenanigans.

Politicians are not the answer. Curbing the power of the state is.

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 18:18

Mike Oxsaw" wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 18:05

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:45 Here you go Oxsaw, I found it. 

What, exactly, is it you've "found", and how does it relate to my claim that the state holds all the aces when it comes to actually running the country?

You sound like a Democrat talking about the Deep state. I’ve heard it all before mate. 

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 18:08

Mike Oxsaw" wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 18:01

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:24

 

Allow me to elaborate:

UK politics is made up of the House of Commons and House of Lords. Bank of England sets monetary policy
autonomously. The Fabian society is not without its influence.


US politics is made up of the House of Representatives and the Senate. The Federal Reserve sets monetary policy autonomously. The Deep state is not without its influence.

Both have 3 branches of Gov’t.

If Donald Trump can come in and secure our borders and send Ice agents out in the streets to round up illegals then so can Farage.

And if you are gonna pipe up about the ECHR, you couldn’t ask for a more aggressive anti European entity than Farage.

There is a video of Farage explaining that the ECHR law that was passed clearly states that the UK maintains its sovereignty and control of its laws in this bill as written.

 

Allow me to correct you.

Whatever flavour of government is in power, it is the state, not the government that actually implements the government's policies - but only if they approve; just look at the effort they put in to getting/trying to get Brexit overturned. They're still smarting like crazy from that one - how very dare the population have a say in how the state runs the country?

If the state (Be it the MoD, MoJ, Home Office, HMRC, etc.) decides to not play along, nothing happens.

 

I disagree, Brexit proves the point. A referendum on the ECHR would be a second example.
Don’t underestimate the power of the people.

Mike Oxsaw" wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 18:05

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:45 Here you go Oxsaw, I found it. 

What, exactly, is it you've "found", and how does it relate to my claim that the state holds all the aces when it comes to actually running the country?

Mike Oxsaw" wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 18:01

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:24

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:05

You obviously have little regard for the power of the people. Didn’t have you pegged as a defeatist.

 

Allow me to elaborate:

UK politics is made up of the House of Commons and House of Lords. Bank of England sets monetary policy
autonomously. The Fabian society is not without its influence.


US politics is made up of the House of Representatives and the Senate. The Federal Reserve sets monetary policy autonomously. The Deep state is not without its influence.

Both have 3 branches of Gov’t.

If Donald Trump can come in and secure our borders and send Ice agents out in the streets to round up illegals then so can Farage.

And if you are gonna pipe up about the ECHR, you couldn’t ask for a more aggressive anti European entity than Farage.

There is a video of Farage explaining that the ECHR law that was passed clearly states that the UK maintains its sovereignty and control of its laws in this bill as written.

 

Allow me to correct you.

Whatever flavour of government is in power, it is the state, not the government that actually implements the government's policies - but only if they approve; just look at the effort they put in to getting/trying to get Brexit overturned. They're still smarting like crazy from that one - how very dare the population have a say in how the state runs the country?

If the state (Be it the MoD, MoJ, Home Office, HMRC, etc.) decides to not play along, nothing happens.

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:45 Here you go Oxsaw, I found it. 

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:24

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:05

Mike Oxsaw" wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:02

 

Then you clearly have no concept of the power and influence the state running the UK  has accumulated over the last 50 years.

You obviously have little regard for the power of the people. Didn’t have you pegged as a defeatist.

 

Allow me to elaborate:

UK politics is made up of the House of Commons and House of Lords. Bank of England sets monetary policy
autonomously. The Fabian society is not without its influence.


US politics is made up of the House of Representatives and the Senate. The Federal Reserve sets monetary policy autonomously. The Deep state is not without its influence.

Both have 3 branches of Gov’t.

If Donald Trump can come in and secure our borders and send Ice agents out in the streets to round up illegals then so can Farage.

And if you are gonna pipe up about the ECHR, you couldn’t ask for a more aggressive anti European entity than Farage.

There is a video of Farage explaining that the ECHR law that was passed clearly states that the UK maintains its sovereignty and control of its laws in this bill as written.

goose wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:52

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:30

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:26

Wrong again.

Congrats on not being able to tell the difference between illegal immigrants and British citizens via birth.

bravo.

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:30

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:26

goose wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:13

guess that makes two of us.

Wrong again.

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:26

goose wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:13

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:03

Just what I thought you have nothing!

guess that makes two of us.

Wrong again.

goose wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:13

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:03

goose wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:01

I can read something which doesn't solve the problem. Nowhere have reform said they will deport british citizens by birth.
You may as well say you're waiting for Mickey Mouse to get elected because its about as relevant.

Just what I thought you have nothing!

guess that makes two of us.

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:05

Mike Oxsaw" wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:02

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 16:53

I completely disagree with you!  There will be change. You’ll see!

 

Then you clearly have no concept of the power and influence the state running the UK  has accumulated over the last 50 years.

You obviously have little regard for the power of the people. Didn’t have you pegged as a defeatist.

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:03

goose wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:01

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 16:58

I already told you, can’t you read?

Now what’s your solution?

I can read something which doesn't solve the problem. Nowhere have reform said they will deport british citizens by birth.
You may as well say you're waiting for Mickey Mouse to get elected because its about as relevant.

Just what I thought you have nothing!

Mike Oxsaw" wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:02

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 16:53

Mike Oxsaw" wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 16:44

"A landslide Reform victory in the next election that’ll go a long way to fixing a lot of it."

Absolute balderdash. The state will never allow Reform to introduce a single one of it's policies.

If you don't understand that simple fact, you don't understand British politics.

I completely disagree with you!  There will be change. You’ll see!

 

Then you clearly have no concept of the power and influence the state running the UK  has accumulated over the last 50 years.

goose wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 17:01

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 16:58

goose wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 16:55

so you dont know how to fix it?

I already told you, can’t you read?

Now what’s your solution?

I can read something which doesn't solve the problem. Nowhere have reform said they will deport british citizens by birth.
You may as well say you're waiting for Mickey Mouse to get elected because its about as relevant.

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 16:53

Mike Oxsaw" wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 16:44

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 16:26

A landslide Reform victory in the next election that’ll go a long way to fixing a lot of it.

I’m concerned yes, very concerned for the kids and the women. There’s a real problem there. Not ashamed to admit it, every life lost or ruined is an unnecessary travesty. 

But once again you don’t have any concern for the victims. You told us you don’t like animals, how about women and children do you not like them too!

"A landslide Reform victory in the next election that’ll go a long way to fixing a lot of it."

Absolute balderdash. The state will never allow Reform to introduce a single one of it's policies.

If you don't understand that simple fact, you don't understand British politics.

I completely disagree with you!  There will be change. You’ll see!

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 16:58

goose wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 16:55

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 16:52

Just out of curiosity, what is your solution? Or don’t you have one?

so you dont know how to fix it?

I already told you, can’t you read?

Now what’s your solution?

goose wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 16:55

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 16:52

goose wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 16:29

When have said anything other than punishment for anyone committing those crimes?

Reform won't be deporting british citizens so thats not going to fix your problem. Try again.

Just out of curiosity, what is your solution? Or don’t you have one?

so you dont know how to fix it?

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 16:52

goose wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 16:29

Nutsin wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025, 16:26

A landslide Reform victory in the next election that’ll go a long way to fixing a lot of it.

I’m concerned yes, very concerned for the kids and the women. There’s a real problem there. Not ashamed to admit it, every life lost or ruined is an unnecessary travesty. 

But once again you don’t have any concern for the victims. You told us you don’t like animals, how about women and children do you not like them too!

When have said anything other than punishment for anyone committing those crimes?

Reform won't be deporting british citizens so thats not going to fix your problem. Try again.

Just out of curiosity, what is your solution? Or don’t you have one?