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Surprised there’s no thread on this. Bit of an odd one

Whatever the rights and wrongs, this guy has thrown the rest of his life away at the age of 26. The Unabomber got life without parole, and he probably will too.

They have so much money they can lobby governments. They can spend half a billion on research to show efficacy of a drug that, well, has very little efficacy but because they've literally paid lots of people of standing to show study data that says it does, then it does. Supposedly. 

Think about it this way. Biopharma business look to treat. They build brands around treatment. Never a cure. There is no money in a cure. 

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I think that's where Bob Geldof & Band Aid step in.

Is that where Medicaid comes in?

One thing I have always wondered about the US healthcare system is what happens if people have nothing get ill and require treatment? Like those on social security. Is that where Medicare/ 'Obamacare' comes in and pays the bills for their treatment, so basically NHS care but only for those at the extreme low end of the poverty spectrum?

Mangione is the product of an ivy league education system, doing the bidding of the professors that educated him. Now you tell me what system needs reforming.

Regarding Healthcare, I will cede that the healthcare system works VERY well here for young healthy  people with jobs and corporate subsidized insurance policies. The older, sicker, long term unemployed, those insured but denied and the self employed paying out the wazoo for obamacare are fucked because the cost of even the most basic of healthcare here is astonishing. That's where the NHS steps up. Everybody with a NI number is entitled to the same standard of healthcare, more or less. Yes it has big failings in places but you miss it when you don't have it. Shame, but that model of socialized healthcare just could and would not work here.

threesixty wrote: ↑12 Dec 2024, 16:33 Politicians on the other hand actually make the rules we live by. So they are ultimately responsible for everything that’s happening. They could do away with fiduciary duty and allow C level executives to have a conscious and perhaps we wouldn’t be in this type
of mess. 

 

Mike Oxsaw" wrote: ↑11 Dec 2024, 13:12

, wrote: ↑11 Dec 2024, 10:20 Reading Mangione’s manifesto, as posted by Wils, it strikes me that his action in killing Brian Thompson will not stop companies ripping people off but simply make them beef up the personal security of their CEOs.

Classic address the symptoms, because addressing the (root) cause is far too unpalatable (for the company owners) to resolve.

MAGA!!!

Problem is insurance companies are the biggest cunts out of all of them.

Try and file a claim and they will do everything in their power to get out of paying your claim. Only thing worse than an insurance companies CEO is a politician.

Saying that, shooting the cսnt in the back is pretty fucking nasty. My guess is the kid had some serious back pain and United healthcare refused his care. Guess we will find out soon enough.



 

Mainly because the public feel a job is just a job, like you are really a passive participant in the machinery of capitalism rather than anyone is really responsible for what they do in their jobs. Also, the fiduciary duty to make profit for all C level executives kind of means they can argue they are absolved of blame, rather like soldiers are.

Politicians on the other hand actually make the rules we live by. So they are ultimately responsible for everything that’s happening. They could do away with fiduciary duty and allow C level executives to have a conscious and perhaps we wouldn’t be in this type
of mess. 

Interesting case this.

To be honest, I am surprised at the low assassination rate of top executives in corporate America. Plenty of politicians have been clipped over the years in that gun crazy country, yet very few of the corporate executives who work hand in glove with the politicians to perpetuate the inequality in that society get targeted. Think of the billionaire CEOs of Wall Street Investment banks, and the CEOs of the FAANG corporations.

I know they will all have top security in place, but still.

Texas Iron" wrote: ↑11 Dec 2024, 22:34 United Healthcare Group top man is a. Brit…

Andrew Witty…23million dollars a year…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Witty

Maybe this Mangione action heralds a turning point whereby a disturbed citizen takes out Captain of American industry rather than a collection of unlucky people in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

United Healthcare Group top man is a. Brit…

Andrew Witty…23million dollars a year…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Witty

 

This Luigi fella has taken things a bit far with his actions but although condolences to the family of the geezer he killed, i do get his point about healthcare in general in the western world especially, being fucked up and more about profit and making as much as possible than actually caring for people!

Here in Australia, we seem to think we have one of the best but good luck if you do need an operation or get sick, unless you have insurance you go on a waiting list even for serious stuff, lady i worked with diagnosed with breast cancer would have to wait 9 months for treatment (free) in a public hospital! she didn't have insurance so her family had to fork out $30,000 for treatment, specialist said otherwise it could be too late.

I had to have a shoulder operation last year, thought all ok i have insurance just pay the $450 excess and i would be sorted out! Nah, turns out the insurance companies have a schedule of fees they will pay up to a set limit depending on procedure that's approved by the government, so if the surgeon charges more you have to pay the difference, my shoulder opp was $14,000 of which i had to pay $5000, so way above what i thought, still cheaper than having no insurance and fuck the 3+ years waiting list for it to be done at a public hospital!!!! 

For anyone not able to afford insurance or even if they can, then the added out of pocket cost your fucked, wonder how many people die across the western world let alone the third world because they can't afford the crazy price of healthcare or medication.
 

Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑10 Dec 2024, 14:25 On the other hand, the care when you do get it tends to be top notch.

The only real good thing about the NHS is that you're not panicking about how much it's going to cost you as you've been carted off to hospital.  The level of care you get with the NHS is shit.

Quite a few jobs in the USA have health plans with your job nowadays.

 

Mike Oxsaw" wrote: ↑11 Dec 2024, 13:12

, wrote: ↑11 Dec 2024, 10:20 Reading Mangione’s manifesto, as posted by Wils, it strikes me that his action in killing Brian Thompson will not stop companies ripping people off but simply make them beef up the personal security of their CEOs.

Classic address the symptoms, because addressing the (root) cause is far too unpalatable (for the company owners) to resolve.

MAGA!!!

Gentile wrote: ↑10 Dec 2024, 17:52 For the 3 years I've been working very closely with some the largest Biopharm brands in the world. It's meant that I've been able to understand much more about how the industry works. 

My takeaway away from this experience is that I'll do my best to make sure none of my family or I go anywhere near the preventative drugs they promote as a treatment for modern day illnesses. 

, wrote: ↑11 Dec 2024, 10:20 Reading Mangione’s manifesto, as posted by Wils, it strikes me that his action in killing Brian Thompson will not stop companies ripping people off but simply make them beef up the personal security of their CEOs.

These things tend to inspire copy cats. So if I was a health ceo in the USA I would not be sleeping well right now, beefed up security or not. 
I don’t agree with the killing obviously but like Chris rock said about OJ.. “I understand”!

The reality is Americans are trapped. They have jobs tied to healthcare with fire at will policies attached. It’s a perfect setup to basically enslave people. That’s why they are all workaholics and worship money out there, you can’t afford not to. 

and on top of that, the system even if you play it well is still trying to get you by not paying out for your health needs. UHC denial rate is twice the industry standard yet they are the biggest player. How does that even make sense? Either their customers are too stupid to fill out forms properly or massive fraudsters… or UHC deliberately makes the process opaque enough to deny unreasonably. I’m sure it’s the latter. 

so as a CEO that contributes to hardship and death of many people you kind of need to watch your back. That’s the nature of the job I suppose. Hope they’re all built for the extra stress… 


 

I was born in the US, My mum told me my Sister cost £250 dollars and 2 n quarter years later I cost £300 (this was in the early to mid 70s).  They charge for everything, right down to the Asprin they gave my mum.

It's probably Nutsin in real life.

Anyone lauding this cսnt needs a good clump.

Reading Mangione’s manifesto, as posted by Wils, it strikes me that his action in killing Brian Thompson will not stop companies ripping people off but simply make them beef up the personal security of their CEOs.

Who's our CEO, Brady aint it? 


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