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Russ of the BML" wrote: ↑10 Jan 2025, 10:20 According to majority of Everton fans on TS last night they agreed on:

Right to sack Dyche (who one of the Everton fans said he had turned them into arguably THE worst Everton side he had seen in 40 years)

Did not want Moyes as too pragmatic and too similar to Dyche

I find Moyes a bizarre choice as a replacement for Dyche. What the hell are they expecting Moyes to do that Dyche cannot. As others have rightly pointed out, the best times Moyes had with us was when he had some exciting attackers that could hurt teams on the counter. Everton do not have those players. Moyes was supposedly a pragmatic, defensively sound coach - But in his last six months with us we conceded a record number of goals. Conceding goals is not particularly Everton's issue - It's scoring them. Moyes isn't a progressive attacking coach. 

The whole thing is just completely bizarre. 

For some reason I hate Everton. I should kind of like them, I think. But whenever I hear them on the radio they sound like entitled cunts in general. They are a boring club now. I hope they do employ Moyes and he takes them down. 

cholo wrote: ↑10 Jan 2025, 08:00

Manuel wrote: ↑10 Jan 2025, 07:56 Manuel

Iron Duke" wrote: ↑10 Jan 2025, 07:27 Aren’t they just replacing Dyche with Dyche? I’m not sure if Moyes offers anything different.

Yea you're right. Wealthy new owners, just about to move into a new stadium and they wheel out this dusty old dinosaur. You'd think the owners would want better to start a new era and show some intent and imagination, but it would be funny.

I understand it though,  they want a perceived safe pair of hands. Imagine their grand opening of the new shiny stadium being in the championship?

Russ of the BML" wrote: ↑10 Jan 2025, 10:20 According to majority of Everton fans on TS last night they agreed on:

Right to sack Dyche (who one of the Everton fans said he had turned them into arguably THE worst Everton side he had seen in 40 years)

Did not want Moyes as too pragmatic and too similar to Dyche

I find Moyes a bizarre choice as a replacement for Dyche. What the hell are they expecting Moyes to do that Dyche cannot. As others have rightly pointed out, the best times Moyes had with us was when he had some exciting attackers that could hurt teams on the counter. Everton do not have those players. Moyes was supposedly a pragmatic, defensively sound coach - But in his last six months with us we conceded a record number of goals. Conceding goals is not particularly Everton's issue - It's scoring them. Moyes isn't a progressive attacking coach. 

The whole thing is just completely bizarre. 

For some reason I hate Everton. I should kind of like them, I think. But whenever I hear them on the radio they sound like entitled cunts in general. They are a boring club now. I hope they do employ Moyes and he takes them down. 

Manuel wrote: ↑10 Jan 2025, 08:05

cholo wrote: ↑10 Jan 2025, 08:00

Manuel wrote: ↑10 Jan 2025, 07:56 Manuel

Iron Duke" wrote: ↑10 Jan 2025, 07:27 Aren’t they just replacing Dyche with Dyche? I’m not sure if Moyes offers anything different.

Yea you're right. Wealthy new owners, just about to move into a new stadium and they wheel out this dusty old dinosaur. You'd think the owners would want better to start a new era and show some intent and imagination, but it would be funny.

I understand it though,  they want a perceived safe pair of hands. Imagine their grand opening of the new shiny stadium being in the championship?

Yea that's fair, probably why a short term deal is being muted.

Russ of the BML" wrote: ↑10 Jan 2025, 12:23

Mad Ferret" wrote: ↑10 Jan 2025, 11:45 Funny how West Ham fans are telling Everton fans that they should’ve been content with their negative, defensive manager. Careful what you wish for, Evertonians.

Moyes is definitely an upgrade on Dyche either way. It’s actually quite fitting that Moyes would be the last Everton manager at Goodison and he’ll stabilise them going into the new ground.

Nobody is telling Everton fans they should be happy with Dyche. Stop making stuff up.

What is being questioned is why sack Dyche and replace with Moyes. And that is more Evertonians doing that that anyone else. You say Moyes is an upgrade. That's your opinion. Looking at Everton's current squad and their issues, I don't think he is. 

Time will tell. 

Mad Ferret" wrote: ↑10 Jan 2025, 11:45 Funny how West Ham fans are telling Everton fans that they should’ve been content with their negative, defensive manager. Careful what you wish for, Evertonians.

Moyes is definitely an upgrade on Dyche either way. It’s actually quite fitting that Moyes would be the last Everton manager at Goodison and he’ll stabilise them going into the new ground.

cholo wrote: ↑10 Jan 2025, 06:42 I've nothing personal against Moyes but it'd be fucking funny if he took them down.

Russ of the BML" wrote: ↑10 Jan 2025, 10:20 According to majority of Everton fans on TS last night they agreed on:

Right to sack Dyche (who one of the Everton fans said he had turned them into arguably THE worst Everton side he had seen in 40 years)

Did not want Moyes as too pragmatic and too similar to Dyche

I find Moyes a bizarre choice as a replacement for Dyche. What the hell are they expecting Moyes to do that Dyche cannot. As others have rightly pointed out, the best times Moyes had with us was when he had some exciting attackers that could hurt teams on the counter. Everton do not have those players. Moyes was supposedly a pragmatic, defensively sound coach - But in his last six months with us we conceded a record number of goals. Conceding goals is not particularly Everton's issue - It's scoring them. Moyes isn't a progressive attacking coach. 

The whole thing is just completely bizarre. 

For some reason I hate Everton. I should kind of like them, I think. But whenever I hear them on the radio they sound like entitled cunts in general. They are a boring club now. I hope they do employ Moyes and he takes them down. 

goose wrote: ↑10 Jan 2025, 09:56

stubbo wrote: ↑10 Jan 2025, 09:13 Trouble for Moyes at Everton will be they don't have the potential attacking threats that we had under his management.

Antonio, Kudus, Bowen and Paqueta were pretty much perfect for him....a guy that excelled at through balls from deep.couple with forwards that excelled in transition, and where Kudus and Bowen were concerned, were potentially finishers, as well as a powerful hard working forward who could carry the attack on his own.

All stuff that suits a low block, low possession quick break style of play, and our goals for stats showed it.

Trouble was he couldn't handle the box midfield and we got overrun, with hopeless goals against stats.

Translate the same goals against stats into Everton, but without the goals for stats, and Moyes will be a one way ticket to relegation for them.

I'm not so sure about that - McNeil, Ndiaye, Jack Harrison, DCL & Beto are all pretty mobile. Not world beaters but decent enough players.

stubbo wrote: ↑10 Jan 2025, 09:13 Trouble for Moyes at Everton will be they don't have the potential attacking threats that we had under his management.

Antonio, Kudus, Bowen and Paqueta were pretty much perfect for him....a guy that excelled at through balls from deep.couple with forwards that excelled in transition, and where Kudus and Bowen were concerned, were potentially finishers, as well as a powerful hard working forward who could carry the attack on his own.

All stuff that suits a low block, low possession quick break style of play, and our goals for stats showed it.

Trouble was he couldn't handle the box midfield and we got overrun, with hopeless goals against stats.

Translate the same goals against stats into Everton, but without the goals for stats, and Moyes will be a one way ticket to relegation for them.

stubbo wrote: ↑10 Jan 2025, 09:13 Trouble for Moyes at Everton will be they don't have the potential attacking threats that we had under his management.

Antonio, Kudus, Bowen and Paqueta were pretty much perfect for him....a guy that excelled at through balls from deep.couple with forwards that excelled in transition, and where Kudus and Bowen were concerned, were potentially finishers, as well as a powerful hard working forward who could carry the attack on his own.

All stuff that suits a low block, low possession quick break style of play, and our goals for stats showed it.

Trouble was he couldn't handle the box midfield and we got overrun, with hopeless goals against stats.

Translate the same goals against stats into Everton, but without the goals for stats, and Moyes will be a one way ticket to relegation for them.

scott_d wrote: ↑10 Jan 2025, 08:22 I would love for Everton to appoint Moyes.

If they get the version of Moyes from when he left West Ham they are going to be in trouble.

In his last 19 he managed to win 4 games, draw 7 and lose 8.  His GD for those games was -17 having conceded 44 goals.

 

Fauxstralian wrote: ↑10 Jan 2025, 08:39 Drew with Chelsea, Arsenal & Man City in the last few weeks but have been completely unable to score
Feel a bit sorry for him as think he has done what he could with the resources to hand
Quite keen for D Moyes to return & take them down into the Championship so they can open the new stadium at home to Luton