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goose wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025, 11:01 I'm so bored of us being shit.
We were shit from Jan to May under Moyes, shit from August to Dec under Lopetegui, and now shit from Jan to May? under Potter.

We don't have that bad a team, why the fuck are we so poor all the time??

Sir Alf" wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025, 12:26 I checked his stats at Brighton. Finishing was the issue not chance creation. At West Ham currently its chance creation.


 

Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025, 12:58

Manuel wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025, 12:40

Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025, 12:02 I love this faith people have in things improving. The stats are there from his time at Brighton - 39, 40, 42 league goals scored (I couldn't give a fuck about chance creation). You've got to be so perfect in defence playing this way, and one of the only teams I can remember doing this successfully were Graham's two Arsenal title teams, yet as regimented as those teams were they still scored 73 & 74 Goals respectively

I'm not going to read too much into his Brighton stats, this is a different club and a different time.

I think there is going to be a huge overhaul of players this summer, I think we could see as many as 10 leave, and no more than a hunch but I think some of those out of contract who are fancied to get another year won't. I think he wants a proper clear out. Can see a lot coming in too of course. Point is we are going to have a very different side next season, will it be better, nobody knows, so we are going to have to wait to find out. 

I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying, generally, but you cannot be sure that next season is going to be another shitfest and that we are going to play like his Brighton side did 5 years ago. Give the fella some credit, he knows we ain't fucking Brighton, and he acknowledged that on day one, and must know he won't last playing like they did every week. We're gonna have to wait.

what is there to read in to? I've shown that his teams scored just over a goal a game in three years at Brighton, and he's doing exactly the fucking same with us (11 Goals in 11 Games). it's shit

Manuel wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025, 12:40

Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025, 12:02 I love this faith people have in things improving. The stats are there from his time at Brighton - 39, 40, 42 league goals scored (I couldn't give a fuck about chance creation). You've got to be so perfect in defence playing this way, and one of the only teams I can remember doing this successfully were Graham's two Arsenal title teams, yet as regimented as those teams were they still scored 73 & 74 Goals respectively

I'm not going to read too much into his Brighton stats, this is a different club and a different time.

I think there is going to be a huge overhaul of players this summer, I think we could see as many as 10 leave, and no more than a hunch but I think some of those out of contract who are fancied to get another year won't. I think he wants a proper clear out. Can see a lot coming in too of course. Point is we are going to have a very different side next season, will it be better, nobody knows, so we are going to have to wait to find out. 

I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying, generally, but you cannot be sure that next season is going to be another shitfest and that we are going to play like his Brighton side did 5 years ago. Give the fella some credit, he knows we ain't fucking Brighton, and he acknowledged that on day one, and must know he won't last playing like they did every week. We're gonna have to wait.

Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025, 12:02 I love this faith people have in things improving. The stats are there from his time at Brighton - 39, 40, 42 league goals scored (I couldn't give a fuck about chance creation). You've got to be so perfect in defence playing this way, and one of the only teams I can remember doing this successfully were Graham's two Arsenal title teams, yet as regimented as those teams were they still scored 73 & 74 Goals respectively

Sir Alf" wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025, 11:04 Time for one of my diatribes ( appologies as always ).
Im still sticking with giving him a transfer window and a couple of months next season. More in hope than belief it can turnaroumd at this point.

I’ve driven most insane on this and other sites for years, and especially since Rice went, about central midfield being the key to transforming this squad.  

We would be better to spend most of our budget on this area imo as it will take 2 bery strong, fast, athletic players that run all day in there but they also need to possess good technique. Every team wants that type of player but us more than pretty much any other team.  Kante is one template but also a bigger physical presence that moves at speed.  Alvarez is worth keeping but needs one or both along side to start dominating the middle of the park.  

So by end of August, I will be hoping to see this profile of player brought in. If Macaulay or someone has unearthed a young unknown player or two that fit the profile then perfect we get them at a decent price but if not we will be looking at having to pay 35-50 million and big wages as its that important to build an “engine room” that can dominate most teams.  

If Potter or Sullivan go for a budget, “adequate” option then then the “writiings on the wall” for Potter. We simply cannot connect defence to attack by playing thru a press currently and are loathe to risk commiting enough players forward, we cannot press turnovers or cope with being pressed. It took putting 4 central midfielders on 2nd half to get some control in the middle last night but it left us with only 2 genuine attackers and unbalances the side. We need wing backs overloading down the flanks. All made impossible by not being able to cope with fast counters if we lose possession because we have no central midfielders who ate quick enough to do the chasimg back or recovery runs.  

Potter gets this area sorted and it will go a long way to making it possible for us to attack and create far more chances assuming he will stick to a controlled possession game. Actually having strong, fast ball carriers in the middle opens space and the opportunity to go forward, pinch possession and launch counters.  And far less of side to side and forward then back again as we try to slowly pull teams to make space and openings. Which doesnt work when teams sit deep and compact with 8 or 9 behind the ball.

Anyway, milestone one for me is pur summer business and failure to address our biggest weakness then its highly likely Potter is toast before xmas. I am hoping Potter proves a success but at this stage its hard to see without some big changes.

nychammer wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025, 11:12

Eerie Decent" wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025, 10:04 "Yesterday most of the fans were crying for players to be given a chance, find out what they’ve got, try things and so on.
He does exactly that last night and the criticism comes,"



No one was asking for that fucking team, set up like that. Stop making fucking excuses, it's cringeworthy. The manager has a half a billion pound squad.

Central midfield has been our biggest problem, Stevie Wonder can see that, and from my own perspective, I was asking for Alvarez & Soler in central midfield along with Paqueta, not world beaters by any means but they can at least get about the pitch faster than snails pace and both at least try to look forward when passing. Neither started, however, you saw the difference second half when both were in there.

Would you swap our squad with Wolves'? No you fucking wouldn't, they looked like they were going down when their manager rocked up, they look much better than us now. We were 13th when Potter took over, looks like we might end up finishing 17th, one place behind Wolves.

He has Jarrod Bowen and Kudus at his disposal, and he's made the pair of them look like they wouldn't get in the Barnet team. Kudus didn't play last night, which is unfortunate for Potter, because he's been an easy scapegoat for our shit performances because he's been single handedly been trying to get us up the pitch to at least try to threaten the opposition goal, mostly getting doubled up on all game.

It's about time the excuses stop, and this manager is made accountable. He's had more than enough time to know who should be starting, and to produce so much better than what we are being punished with watching.




 

FFS he has a squad that he didn’t sign. Give the bloke a fair crack and some money to spend. No manager is going to transform us into euro contenders any time soon so stop expecting it. Yesterday’s second half was good, we just lack cutting teeth but we’ve known this for a few seasons. 

nychammer wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025, 11:12

Eerie Decent" wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025, 10:04 "Yesterday most of the fans were crying for players to be given a chance, find out what they’ve got, try things and so on.
He does exactly that last night and the criticism comes,"



No one was asking for that fucking team, set up like that. Stop making fucking excuses, it's cringeworthy. The manager has a half a billion pound squad.

Central midfield has been our biggest problem, Stevie Wonder can see that, and from my own perspective, I was asking for Alvarez & Soler in central midfield along with Paqueta, not world beaters by any means but they can at least get about the pitch faster than snails pace and both at least try to look forward when passing. Neither started, however, you saw the difference second half when both were in there.

Would you swap our squad with Wolves'? No you fucking wouldn't, they looked like they were going down when their manager rocked up, they look much better than us now. We were 13th when Potter took over, looks like we might end up finishing 17th, one place behind Wolves.

He has Jarrod Bowen and Kudus at his disposal, and he's made the pair of them look like they wouldn't get in the Barnet team. Kudus didn't play last night, which is unfortunate for Potter, because he's been an easy scapegoat for our shit performances because he's been single handedly been trying to get us up the pitch to at least try to threaten the opposition goal, mostly getting doubled up on all game.

It's about time the excuses stop, and this manager is made accountable. He's had more than enough time to know who should be starting, and to produce so much better than what we are being punished with watching.



 

FFS he has a squad that he didn’t sign. Give the bloke a fair crack and some money to spend. No manager is going to transform us into euro contenders any time soon so stop expecting it. Yesterday’s second half was good, we just lack cutting teeth but we’ve known this for a few seasons.