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A flag should be about pride. About unity. About celebrating who we are.That’s not what’s happening right now. These England flags going up everywhere?That’s not patriotism. That’s marking territory. That’s sending a message.And the message is ugly: “This is ours. You don’t belong here.”That isn’t pride. That’s fear. That’s exclusion. That’s racism dressed up as tradition.Real patriotism doesn’t slam the door in someone’s face. Real patriotism says: we are strong enough, proud enough, confident enough to welcome others in. To share our values — values of fairness, decency, tolerance — the values that have always made Britain worth being proud of.When you turn the flag into a weapon, you betray it. You betray our history. You betray the very idea of Britain.Because the truth is this: our flag should say we belong together. Not you stay out.

On a sensible note if you want this government out keep up the demos,vote them out on every by-election 
Unfortunately they have such a large majority that in reality we are stuck with them for 4 more years 

Mike Oxsaw" wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025, 15:02

zebthecat wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025, 14:56

Nutsin wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025, 13:43 There is not an honest person here that would defend Starmer and his Gov’t.

What is going on is beyond belief. Not much longer now before it really starts to get ugly. At what point does this Gov’t fall? What will it take, a national strike?

This can’t go on for another 4 years, surely.

For once I agree with you; they have been an utter shambles so far.
I think they will cling on to the bitter end though with that massive parliamentary majority.

Want them out?

Quickest way is to fuck their cash flow. Move off PAYE and onto annual self-assessment, Get the petrol tanker drivers out on strike again, claim back VAT on anything and everything - overwhelm them with demands on the services they're legally obliged to deliver.

zebthecat wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025, 14:56

Nutsin wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025, 13:43 There is not an honest person here that would defend Starmer and his Gov’t.

What is going on is beyond belief. Not much longer now before it really starts to get ugly. At what point does this Gov’t fall? What will it take, a national strike?

This can’t go on for another 4 years, surely.

For once I agree with you; they have been an utter shambles so far.
I think they will cling on to the bitter end though with that massive parliamentary majority.

Nutsin wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025, 13:43 There is not an honest person here that would defend Starmer and his Gov’t.

What is going on is beyond belief. Not much longer now before it really starts to get ugly. At what point does this Gov’t fall? What will it take, a national strike?

This can’t go on for another 4 years, surely.

There is not an honest person here that would defend Starmer and his Gov’t.

What is going on is beyond belief. Not much longer now before it really starts to get ugly. At what point does this Gov’t fall? What will it take, a national strike?

This can’t go on for another 4 years, surely.

BRANDED wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025, 13:27 Flags have been a virtue signal of choice for lefties for ever. For most people they represent their home culture. 

Flags have been a virtue signal of choice for lefties for ever. For most people they represent their home culture. 

Tomshardware wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025, 12:01 Seen some roundabouts with red crosses in my neck of the woods.  All a bit sad really if you've got time to go around doing that sort of thing.

Seen some roundabouts with red crosses in my neck of the woods.  All a bit sad really if you've got time to go around doing that sort of thing.

Council Scum" wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025, 11:09

Swiss. wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025, 16:19

Swiss. wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025, 16:16

Yeah those places like Venice, Florence and Rome with all their renaissance 14th and 15th century art is rubbish as are those horrible Alps and beaches. Don't get me started on that shit music by Puccini and Vivaldi or the crap food. They have nothing to compare with us. 

And also of course those slim but voluptuous raven haired olive skinned woman. Give me a pasty fat ginger English bird any day. 

My wife is Italian (Ravello) and ginger.... 

Council Scum" wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025, 11:09

Swiss. wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025, 16:19

Swiss. wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025, 16:16

Yeah those places like Venice, Florence and Rome with all their renaissance 14th and 15th century art is rubbish as are those horrible Alps and beaches. Don't get me started on that shit music by Puccini and Vivaldi or the crap food. They have nothing to compare with us. 

And also of course those slim but voluptuous raven haired olive skinned woman. Give me a pasty fat ginger English bird any day. 

My wife is Italian (Ravello) and ginger.... 

Swiss. wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025, 16:19

Swiss. wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025, 16:16

Council Scum" wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025, 13:55

After travelling through Italy and Spain 

Yeah those places like Venice, Florence and Rome with all their renaissance 14th and 15th century art is rubbish as are those horrible Alps and beaches. Don't get me started on that shit music by Puccini and Vivaldi or the crap food. They have nothing to compare with us. 

And also of course those slim but voluptuous raven haired olive skinned woman. Give me a pasty fat ginger English bird any day. 

XKhammer wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025, 10:20

goose wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025, 17:02 they are passing that up for the offer of loads of free shit.
they come to the place that offers the most and has the best chance of granting asylum.

Or maybe the Eyetie women are rotten 

Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025, 10:07 regarding Whoa Tommy Tommy, he has more patriotism for Israel than England. like man of the people, Nigel, he's just another paid agitator that will solve fuck all but get plenty of people in bother. the whole fucking system is corrupt. left, right, centre. all scum

goose wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025, 17:02 they are passing that up for the offer of loads of free shit.
they come to the place that offers the most and has the best chance of granting asylum.

regarding Whoa Tommy Tommy, he has more patriotism for Israel than England. like man of the people, Nigel, he's just another paid agitator that will solve fuck all but get plenty of people in bother. the whole fucking system is corrupt. left, right, centre. all scum

Gary Strodders shank" wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025, 07:51

only1billybonds wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025, 17:36 I actually agree with Swiss on this point. The politicians are more to blame than those seeking free stuff and an easy ride. If the government (and those before it) made it less appealing to be here then less of them would come.

 

 

And that is just it 

You can see the reason for the influx and  the solution the same as most other people with a brain so why cant successive governments ?

And then implement the changes to make it less attractive ?

Putting illegals in repurposed military barracks and detention centres rather than four star hotels in Canary wharf might be a start.

only1billybonds wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025, 17:36 I actually agree with Swiss on this point. The politicians are more to blame than those seeking free stuff and an easy ride. If the government (and those before it) made it less appealing to be here then less of them would come.
 

And that is just it 

You can see the reason for the influx and  the solution the same as most other people with a brain so why cant successive governments ?

And then implement the changes to make it less attractive ?

Putting illegals in repurposed military barracks and detention centres rather than four star hotels in Canary wharf might be a start.

Jusr got back from Spain and we stayed in a villa in a mostly Spanish residential area where there are also apartments that Spanish use to holiday. Virtually every single community or set up had a Spanish flag up. We spoke to a barman about what is going on in UK and he said the Spanish flag is very commonly flown all across the country for no other reason than its Spain. He couldn't see the issue with it. 

Problem is, for years we have had to dilute our patriotism because the left fascists call it racism. Hopefully this is a sway back to normality where our flag is commonly seen. 

There's a reason why certain country's in the middle east wont allow certain people in despite their cultures being very similar. So why the fuck should they and their fucked up beliefs be tolerated here? 
If people are not willing to assimilate to a 1000 plus years of our culture they should find somewhere that welcomes theirs!

Exiled In Surrey" wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025, 10:10 A flag should be about pride. About unity. About celebrating who we are.That’s not what’s happening right now. These England flags going up everywhere?That’s not patriotism. That’s marking territory.
 

When someone says to ethnic minorities that they aren't English, the reply from people who talk like you is, "they are as English as you and me". So now the country is putting up English flags and people who talk like you are saying it's marking territory and sending a message that "you don't belong here". But if immigrants and ethnic minorities are as English I am, then surely that territory being marked is just as much theirs as it is mine. If they are English as everyone else then they must love their flag the same as I do. It seems it's you that is doing the othering here. 

Real patriotism says: we are strong enough, proud enough, confident enough to welcome others in. To share our values — values of fairness, decency, tolerance — the values that have always made Britain worth being proud of.When you turn the flag into a weapon, you betray it. You betray our history. You betray the very idea of Britain.Because the truth is this: our flag should say we belong together. Not you stay out.

Sigh! If all the world is my brother, then I have no brother.

But you do hit on a truth here. A confident nation is able to welcome others. People who don't feel threatened are in the position to hold out their hand and welcome people. But large parts of the country are threatened and are actively being culturally dispossessed. Look at the report yesterday arguing that the countryside is racist and there should be more black people, halal foods and pubs should be more welcoming to muslims. That's taking people's culture away from them, that's why the flags are out. I mean look at West Ham and what happened to the East end. White working class area with years of history and people assimilating from different cultures, Jews and Huguenots, Scots and Italians all making it their home. But it had a culture to assimilate into. That has now been wiped away and utterly replaced with something that's unrecognisable to all of us. 

Of all people to lecture about being open minded to immigration and patriotism you chose the cockneys. Of all the people! You great big fucking idiot.

goose wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025, 19:14

Massive Attack" wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025, 19:05 Nah, not distracted at all. Fully focused on what's been going on and the direction of travel the Country is and has been heading in for a long time now. 

So when you taxes go up and your cost of living goes up, how are you going to protest? and who will you be protesting about?

Nutsin wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025, 19:20

goose wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025, 19:14

Massive Attack" wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025, 19:05 Nah, not distracted at all. Fully focused on what's been going on and the direction of travel the Country is and has been heading in for a long time now. 

So when you taxes go up and your cost of living goes up, how are you going to protest? and who will you be protesting about?

Haven’t taxes and cost of living already gone up?

It seems that flags and decorated zebra crossings are totally acceptable. As long as they represent anything other than England or Great Britain. Fly as many pride/Palestine flags as ya like, you'll be left alone. Fly a union jack or red cross and you are seen to be slightly to the right of Hitler. I really do think that the authorities/government are trying to wind the public up to the point where the slightest provocation will end up in severe unrest and trouble at this big March in London next week. And as we all know,there will be plenty of provocation from the rent a riot crowd.