Fights that would have had a different outcome if both fighters were in their prime.
I’ll go Hagler v Leonard and Tyson v Hollyfield.
Who you got?
Re: Boxing
Posted: 21 Nov 2025, 12:00
by Russ of the BML
Looking forward to Ezra Taylor v Willie Hutchinson. Will be spicy. On same card as Itauma v Franklin. Also a good fight that night will be Davies v Miller. Another one that is brewing up. Decent card all round.
I wouldn't (and don't) advise anyone to go Pro anymore, you either have big sponsor and TV deal, or you are a big ticket seller paying for your opponent, either way, your first 4-5 fights aren't real. Some have 1 real one then go back to being a ticket seller again. Try to sell 100-200 tickets a fight 4-5 times a year, isn't fun and at best you might earn a grand, at worst £100 a fight.
Saw an interview not long ago with Tony Bellew and he said until he fought David Haye he didn't really earn much.
IMO what made both Eubank and Benn was gaining experience in America .
Eubank early doors...Benn as a pro..
Benn went away after the Eubank defeat and spent time in America and beat some good boxers...(names escape me)
Interesting shout, I didn't realise that Eubank fought in the US but indeed have seen his first few fights were out there. It was after the Watson defeat in 89 Benn went out to the US, where he had 5 fights in the run up to his fight and defeat to Eubank in Nov 1990. He had wins over there against Amparo, Quinones, Williams, DeWitt, Barkley then came the Eubank defeat back in the UK. What is seemingly different today is the volume of fights in a year these guys had compared with these days. You can see it purely by seeing how many fights Benn and Eubank Snr had compared to their sons.
I wouldn't (and don't) advise anyone to go Pro anymore, you either have big sponsor and TV deal, or you are a big ticket seller paying for your opponent, either way, your first 4-5 fights aren't real. Some have 1 real one then go back to being a ticket seller again. Try to sell 100-200 tickets a fight 4-5 times a year, isn't fun and at best you might earn a grand, at worst £100 a fight.
, wrote: ↑19 Nov 2025, 11:09
Congratulations to Wardley on inheriting the WBO heavyweight title recently relinquished by Usyk.
Ridiculous, Whilst I don't like fighters giving titles away I do understand it, the fact you no longer have to fight for a vacant title though, is a joke.
I grew up with the WBC as the prestigious title ..then WBA and the IBF.
WBO came along in the 90s ..and not taken seriously compared to the other three .. Eubank was king of the WBO for a long stretch and got stick for taking strollers against no - marks ...and made meals of a lot of his defences for prime time TV..(he got booed a lot and made a lot money).
He did take the piss tbf
Funny how Steve Collins did a number on both .
He managed to get into both of their nuts
There is also the IBO which is the proper joke sanctioning body.
Chris Eubank Jr is still their middleweight champion somehow.
IMO what made both Eubank and Benn was gaining experience in America .
Eubank early doors...Benn as a pro..
Benn went away after the Eubank defeat and spent time in America and beat some good boxers...(names escape me)
Interesting shout, I didn't realise that Eubank fought in the US but indeed have seen his first few fights were out there. It was after the Watson defeat in 89 Benn went out to the US, where he had 5 fights in the run up to his fight and defeat to Eubank in Nov 1990. He had wins over there against Amparo, Quinones, Williams, DeWitt, Barkley then came the Eubank defeat back in the UK. What is seemingly different today is the volume of fights in a year these guys had compared with these days. You can see it purely by seeing how many fights Benn and Eubank Snr had compared to their sons.
, wrote: ↑19 Nov 2025, 11:09
Congratulations to Wardley on inheriting the WBO heavyweight title recently relinquished by Usyk.
Ridiculous, Whilst I don't like fighters giving titles away I do understand it, the fact you no longer have to fight for a vacant title though, is a joke.
I grew up with the WBC as the prestigious title ..then WBA and the IBF.
WBO came along in the 90s ..and not taken seriously compared to the other three .. Eubank was king of the WBO for a long stretch and got stick for taking strollers against no - marks ...and made meals of a lot of his defences for prime time TV..(he got booed a lot and made a lot money).
He did take the piss tbf
Funny how Steve Collins did a number on both .
He managed to get into both of their nuts
Re: Boxing
Posted: 21 Nov 2025, 01:37
by Monsieur merde de cheval
zico wrote: ↑18 Nov 2025, 10:21
If you like boxing then this is well worth a watch. I was trying to find some highlights of Benn Jr v Eubank Jr on You Tube and stumbled across this video of Chris Eubank Snr doing a commentary of his first fight against Nigel Benn back in 1990. I was a Benn fan so wasn't really interested but gave it a go and must say it is a fascinatingly honest run down of that fight from Eubanks perspective. After watching that up popped on my feed an old Benn fight against Anthony Logan back in 88. I couldn't remember it but wow what a sliding doors moment. Logan had Benn down for the first time and was clearly going to win as Benn had gone but somehow Nigel produced one hell of a left handed upper cut to knock Logan out. Incredibly similar to Eubanks desperate last throw of the dice against Watson but without the tragic consequences. Anyway this is a good watch.
IMO what made both Eubank and Benn was gaining experience in America .
Eubank early doors...Benn as a pro..
Benn went away after the Eubank defeat and spent time in America and beat some good boxers...(names escape me)
, wrote: ↑19 Nov 2025, 11:09
Congratulations to Wardley on inheriting the WBO heavyweight title recently relinquished by Usyk.
Ridiculous, Whilst I don't like fighters giving titles away I do understand it, the fact you no longer have to fight for a vacant title though, is a joke.
Vacated titles should always be contested between the next two ranked boxers in that affiliation
Re: Boxing
Posted: 19 Nov 2025, 20:00
by Iron Duke
If Usyk was going to fight Wardley next, he wouldn’t have given up his belt.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 19 Nov 2025, 11:56
by ,
This situation does leave Wardley top of a list to fight Usyk with three Brits, Fury, Dubois and Joshua effectively eliminated. Our next fighter beyond Wardley, with an eventual chance at a world championship tilt, looks to be the youngster Moses Itauma. He needs time to mature though.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 19 Nov 2025, 11:26
by Council Scum
, wrote: ↑19 Nov 2025, 11:09
Congratulations to Wardley on inheriting the WBO heavyweight title recently relinquished by Usyk.
Ridiculous, Whilst I don't like fighters giving titles away I do understand it, the fact you no longer have to fight for a vacant title though, is a joke.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 19 Nov 2025, 11:09
by ,
Congratulations to Wardley on inheriting the WBO heavyweight title recently relinquished by Usyk.
And to be fair to Benn, he was pretty much up in his feet and back in the ring on the 10 second mark. This was after the piece of shit McClellan had continue to punch him while he was prone on the ropes.
You're right, he did make it back in the ring beating a fair 10 second count.
It was 12 seconds, he then gives him more time to recover and then pushes McClellan away from him.
"Referee Alfred Azaro was also roundly criticized for his officiating mistakes, which included impeding the challenger's progress when McClellan was trying to finish off Benn in round 1."
And to be fair to Benn, he was pretty much up in his feet and back in the ring on the 10 second mark. This was after the piece of shit McClellan had continue to punch him while he was prone on the ropes.
You're right, he did make it back in the ring beating a fair 10 second count.
I always had a soft spot for Honeyghan...proper twat of a man but as a fighting man I liked him...like Kirkland Laing ..different I guess...I appreciate different.
RIP Mark Kaylor son
Re: Boxing
Posted: 19 Nov 2025, 00:16
by Monsieur merde de cheval
Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑17 Nov 2025, 16:17
He'll likely fight Fury after next year for an obscene amount of money again.
Another fight that no one really wants to see anymore.
Classic Eddie.
The Hearns and Frank Warren are what they are..like all boxing promoters...hyenas in human form.
Greedy grubby cunts who have zero morals and plenty of chat.
Benn was back on his feet and in the ring on the 10 second mark if you rewatch it.
You're making it out like McClellan was cheated out of a victory. He wasn't.
I have watched it enough, he stumbles back in the ring well after 10, the ref doesn't give him 20 seconds as he couldn't, he keeps McClellan off him when he goes to restart for no reason at all, he also moves him off of Benn on a number of occasions and Jim Watt comments on the long count and how much the Ref is protecting Benn by moving McClellan away from him.
For Clarity, Benn was knocked out the ropes and stayed on the apron, the 20 second rule applies for coming out of the ring, not the ropes.
It's generally accepted, it was a long count, I wanted Benn to win, McClellan was a cսnt of a man, but Benn was very lucky to not get counted out in that round.
You get a longer count (up to 20 secs?) if you get knocked out of the ring, I thought?
And to be fair to Benn, he was pretty much up in his feet and back in the ring on the 10 second mark. This was after the piece of shit McClellan had continue to punch him while he was prone on the ropes.
The ref did a slow count and gave him longer than he should have to recover.
That's because the rules said he had to. He had less than the 20 seconds he was allowed.
You get a longer count (up to 20 secs?) if you get knocked out of the ring, I thought?
And to be fair to Benn, he was pretty much up in his feet and back in the ring on the 10 second mark. This was after the piece of shit McClellan had continue to punch him while he was prone on the ropes.
The ref did a slow count and gave him longer than he should have to recover.
