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Boxing
Posted: 13 Oct 2025, 05:51
by Nutsin
Fights that would have had a different outcome if both fighters were in their prime.
I’ll go Hagler v Leonard and Tyson v Hollyfield.
Who you got?
Re: Boxing
Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 20:02
by Briano
, wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025, 10:53
I well remember the unfancied John H Stracey going to Mexico City and, much to everyone’s surprise, putting one over Jose Napolese to win his world title.
I was at school with son of one of Terry Lawless trainers, Frank Black, about a week after Stracey won that title he brought Stracey over the Leys Lido in Dagenham. Well documented Stracey couldn’t believe the mob over there that were astounded to see a real world champion
Re: Boxing
Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 18:54
by Massive Attack
I loved it when he took on that freak of nature and beat Valuev. Wobbled him as well. Seriously impressive shit coming up against that 7ft lump.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 18:52
by Takashi Miike
zico, I think froch would have had to have knocked him out and joe's chin was very good. much like the trouble carl had with ward
for me, duke mckenzie would be one of the first on a british all time top ten
Re: Boxing
Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 18:43
by Eerie Decent
Think David Haye gets in the top 10, for me.
Undisputed, Ring Magazine Champion at Cruiser, HW Champion, might not have massive names on his record, and obviously had the Thompson loss (also ignoring the Bellew nonsense, he was finished) but I don't think there's been a Brit with his sheer KO power, at respective weights.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 18:32
by Massive Attack
zico wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025, 18:23
I think even Nigel Benn said Watson was the better of the three. A real tragedy.
Agreed
Re: Boxing
Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 18:23
by zico
I think even Nigel Benn said Watson was the better of the three. A real tragedy. Would be interested to hear others thoughts on whether Carl Froch would have beaten Calzaghe? They always keep sniping at each other and we will obviously never know. Would have been a great fight though.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 17:41
by southbankbornnbred
It's never science, and ultimately it all comes down to opinions, but I always think you have to look at who a fighter has beaten - and weigh up how often they put away fighters who were "good" or better by global standards.
Every name on that list was a good boxer, though. It's not weak.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 17:31
by southbankbornnbred
Briano wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025, 22:22
Nutsin wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025, 20:46
The British top 10 of fighters for the last 50 years.
1) Calzaghie
2) Lewis
3) Naseem
4) Watson...Controversial I know, but he boxed Eubanks head off the night Eubank caught him with a desperation haymaker. He Also beat Benn
5) Eubank....Chin of Granite
6) Benn
7) Hatton
8) Minter
9) McGuigan
10) Fury
What's yours?
Conteh, Honeyghan and Kirkland Laing would be in that list somewhere…in that era of weights and belts
That's not a bad list. Although, I'd have Fury slightly higher up than, say, Minter. Minter was a good middleweight, but he never really beat a top-class (by global standards) opponent. Probably the best opponent he beat was Emile Griffith, and he was in his late 30s (38/39?) by the time Minter faced him. Minter beat some good fighters, but not of the same calibre as people that Fury beat such as Klitschko.
Agree with the point about Michael Watson. He was as tough a nails and only lost to good fighters. Also agree that Conteh should be on that list - an excellent light heavy/cruiser. I'd have Lewis above Calzaghe (who was superb), too. Lennox was a sublime heavyweight - one of the best of all time when focused. Sure, he lost a couple to sucker-punches, but that's heavyweight boxing for you: if a 17 stone bloke tags you, you're going over. Plus, he avenged both defeats. The way he dismantled Holyfield - twice (I don't buy the robbery "draw") was excellent. At his best, Lewis was formidable, and probably the best "British" boxer of all time. That's why Bowe wouldn't fight him.
But that is some list. Britain has punched above its weight.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 12:35
by Massive Attack
MaryMillingtonsGhost wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025, 12:24
"Unbeaten
George Liddard became the youngest British and Commonwealth middleweight champion in history with a highly impressive stoppage win over Kieron Conway."
Well done fella.
The lad looks to be going places. Hopefully his trajectory carries on the way it has. West Ham mad which is also good to see.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 12:24
by MaryMillingtonsGhost
"Unbeaten George Liddard became the youngest British and Commonwealth middleweight champion in history with a highly impressive stoppage win over Kieron Conway."
Well done fella.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 10:53
by ,
I well remember the unfancied John H Stracey going to Mexico City and, much to everyone’s surprise, putting one over Jose Napolese to win his world title.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 08:48
by zebthecat
Lloyd Honeyghan's dismantling of Don Curry has to be one of the biggest upsets of all time.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 08:17
by Massive Attack
Re: Boxing
Posted: 17 Oct 2025, 22:22
by Briano
Nutsin wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025, 20:46
The British top 10 of fighters for the last 50 years.
1) Calzaghie
2) Lewis
3) Naseem
4) Watson...Controversial I know, but he boxed Eubanks head off the night Eubank caught him with a desperation haymaker. He Also beat Benn
5) Eubank....Chin of Granite
6) Benn
7) Hatton
8) Minter
9) McGuigan
10) Fury
What's yours?
Conteh, Honeyghan and Kirkland Laing would be in that list somewhere…in that era of weights and belts
Re: Boxing
Posted: 17 Oct 2025, 21:05
by Briano
Nutsin wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025, 20:46
The British top 10 of fighters for the last 50 years.
1) Calzaghie
2) Lewis
3) Naseem
4) Watson...Controversial I know, but he boxed Eubanks head off the night Eubank caught him with a desperation haymaker. He Also beat Benn
5) Eubank....Chin of Granite
6) Benn
7) Hatton
8) Minter
9) McGuigan
10) Fury
What's yours?
Just looking at this list my bro in law had a brilliant 3 year amateur career ‘82 to ‘85 before heroin took hold of him.
in those years he beat Calzaghe, Naseem and Robin Reid
Re: Boxing
Posted: 17 Oct 2025, 20:46
by Nutsin
The British top 10 of fighters for the last 50 years.
1) Calzaghie
2) Lewis
3) Naseem
4) Watson...Controversial I know, but he boxed Eubanks head off the night Eubank caught him with a desperation haymaker. He Also beat Benn
5) Eubank....Chin of Granite
6) Benn
7) Hatton
8) Minter
9) McGuigan
10) Fury
What's yours?
Re: Boxing
Posted: 17 Oct 2025, 14:07
by Council Scum
Gary Strodders shank" wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025, 10:31
In terms of making the weight and being able to carry the punching power one boxer that I recall having some issues was our very own Mark Kaylor
He was a tall rangy fighter who campaigned as I remember almost exclusively at middleweight during his prime before stepping up unsuccessfully to light heavy.
The super middleweight division which which I would of thought he would of been a natural for his size didn't seem to be recognised at that time although I think he did have a couple of fights at it towards the end of his career.
He was also probably born a few years too soon as a decade or so later super middleweight became the glamour division with the likes of Benn Eubank Watson Collins and later on Calzaghie.
I could imagine him having some great tear ups with some of that lot for the domestic titles although to be honest despite being a tough fucker I think he may of come up a bit short against the likes of Calzaghie and Collins in their prime although Ill stand to be corrected on that by the sites boxing officenados.
I enjoyed following his career during my youth none the less.
The domestic division was decent back then as well, Herol Graham, Tony Sibson, Errol Christie
Re: Boxing
Posted: 17 Oct 2025, 12:24
by Far Cough UKunt
Yes on the right.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 17 Oct 2025, 12:10
by Iron Duke
He was on the cover of the Band on the Run album.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 17 Oct 2025, 10:32
by Far Cough UKunt
Anyone remember John Conteh?
Re: Boxing
Posted: 17 Oct 2025, 10:31
by Gary Strodders shank
In terms of making the weight and being able to carry the punching power one boxer that I recall having some issues was our very own Mark Kaylor
He was a tall rangy fighter who campaigned as I remember almost exclusively at middleweight during his prime before stepping up unsuccessfully to light heavy.
The super middleweight division which which I would of thought he would of been a natural for his size didn't seem to be recognised at that time although I think he did have a couple of fights at it towards the end of his career.
He was also probably born a few years too soon as a decade or so later super middleweight became the glamour division with the likes of Benn Eubank Watson Collins and later on Calzaghie.
I could imagine him having some great tear ups with some of that lot for the domestic titles although to be honest despite being a tough fucker I think he may of come up a bit short against the likes of Calzaghie and Collins in their prime although Ill stand to be corrected on that by the sites boxing officenados.
I enjoyed following his career during my youth none the less.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 17 Oct 2025, 09:11
by Council Scum
zebthecat wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025, 21:15
Wardley is a pretty limited boxer but an really punch..He was absolutely schooled by Justis Huni until that KO punch.
Parker can really box and hits hard as well and should win unless Wardley gets lucky again.
Parker that got outworked and stopped by Joyce, outboxed by Anthony Joshua, dropped and beaten by Whyte, Nicked a win over Ruiz many didn't think he should have and got off the floor twice to scrape a majority against Zhang?
Parker had a good win over Wilder, but no on really knows if that means anything anymore, as Wilder simply hasn't done anything when he's gone in with the real top ones.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 17 Oct 2025, 09:02
by Massive Attack
Council Scum
Re: Boxing
Posted: 17 Oct 2025, 09:01
by Council Scum
Massive Attack" wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025, 05:07
Tragic loss losing him so soon. Was one of the good ones in the world. That Mayweather fight in Vegas still pisses me off as I don't think Cortez was being fair and showing bias to Mayweather.
An experienced official showing bias? It doesn't happen. You've told me that.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 17 Oct 2025, 08:57
by Council Scum
Massive Attack" wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025, 16:00
"Clearly lost" "Absolutely robbed" who knows better than 2 experienced Judges with identical cards on the night for Calzaghe winning.
Did you agree with the "experienced" judges on the Jack Catterall Josh Taylor fight? Don't tell me, you need to watch it.
Stick to your arm chair.
