Nuno Out

[northbankfrank]

2,500 posts by the end of the season?

[goose]

I wasn’t expecting much from the last two games so I’m pleasantly surprised by the two points, but yesterday could have been 3.
I thought the Liverpool performance was much worse than either of the two away games.

I will cut him some slack as I can see a game plan and I can see some fighting spirit from the team. I don’t love the way we play, but add some more attacking options and we will become easier on the eye.

[Rossal]

He seems incapable of going more than 3 games without a baffling line up. Fine if we won.....but we didnt, so the decision not to start Magassa or Potts seems mad. 

This sitting back lark also needs to stop. Going for a second goal is a far better way to defend then camping in our own box.  How many more points will he throw away before he realises? 

[fraser]

You always think the kids are better yet hardly any make the grade, Kanye is nowhere near Magassa's level I've watched a fair bit of the u-21s and he gives the ball away a lot. Marshall got minutes and stunk the place out. I agree he isn't brave enough when closing games out but we played well and yet you're saying we didn't but Brighton had their worst home game... Yet you can't see why. 
 

[BoleynGone]

fraser
I'm obessed with the kids playing when they are good and better than what we have.
I reckon Kante would be as good as Magassa if he had been given more game time in the games where we had only used 3 subs or needed energy. Earthy has not been given a chance when we had no else but Nuno decides to put on a defensive player and we lose a lead late on or there is an opportunity to kill a game. Marshall could have done a better job than Fulkrug and if he had come on against Man Utd given Wilson a break after 70 minutes. I'm seeing an opportunity lost when Nuno does have alternatives. Rodriguez instead of Potts and Magassa for 45 minutes,you're having a laugh. Why drop Rodriguez,Fulkrug,Igor from the squad ?Why have any of them when they are going in January ?

Nuno's ultra defensive tactics has lost us more games than gained. So why persevere? He rectifies a mistake by putting Potts and Fernandes in a we win keeps it for the next game then changes it.
Full on Crackhead

[Eerie Decent]

There have been some bad decisions by him, but can you really not accept that he has been thrown an absolute car crash of a job, and deserves to be given a chance?

Of course everyone is entitled to opinions, debate is good, but some of the shit being flung at him after 10 games is ridiculous. Read back what you're saying, you're arguing as if he's left a load of in form fully blown England internationals on the bench. We have 1 striker worth a rub of salt, and he's 33 ffs, 1 genuinely quick player in the whole squad and he's injury prone.

The man deserves our backing for now, the all round improvements are clear, none of the deep routed problems are his fault, I'm hoping a minimum of 3 new players come in next month, and then we can judge him a bit more harshly.

[fraser]

Nuno, could do a lot,lot better. 
We have conceded the 2nd most goals still .
He's been lucky that the last 4 teams we have played were in poor form and we haven't taken the bull by the horn. B'Mouth terrible man management,Liverpool poor form, playing crap, Man Utd poor home form,Brighton worst game at home for them,negative defensive tactics again. This thing about him playing the youth bit of a falacy. The in form best youth player has been totally ignored,Earthy when it's been blatanlty obvious,like Potts . Yet he plays Rodriguez,he had an ok game bit not near Potts level or the level of Magassa against Man Utd,thus we were weaker. He's done this multiple times. We won't see Myers at left wing back or Kante regularly,he wasn't even on the bench.Fulkrug yet again taking up space he wasn't going to bring him on wherest haveing Earthy would have been an option.

 

I'm not his biggest fan but we made Brighton poor at home they weren't in bad form we restricted them, Man U weren't in bad form they'd lost 1 of their previous 8.. We were massive outsiders in both games as we were at Bournemouth, I'll give you Liverpool that was shit, but to say they were all in poor form is just bollocks. 

You've always been obsessed with the kids wanting them all to play, he has given them minutes. 

[BoleynGone]

Nuno, could do a lot,lot better. 
We have conceded the 2nd most goals still .
He's been lucky that the last 4 teams we have played were in poor form and we haven't taken the bull by the horn. B'Mouth terrible man management,Liverpool poor form, playing crap, Man Utd poor home form,Brighton worst game at home for them,negative defensive tactics again. This thing about him playing the youth bit of a falacy. The in form best youth player has been totally ignored,Earthy when it's been blatanlty obvious,like Potts . Yet he plays Rodriguez,he had an ok game bit not near Potts level or the level of Magassa against Man Utd,thus we were weaker. He's done this multiple times. We won't see Myers at left wing back or Kante regularly,he wasn't even on the bench.Fulkrug yet again taking up space he wasn't going to bring him on wherest haveing Earthy would have been an option.
 

[Ron Eff]

He has improved Todibo and Areola, as well as try to play as many youngsters as he can, that shit is great to see. 

The Todibo uplift has been quite something. Be it bringing out a better attitude or making him better. Areola, in fairness, was often an 8 or 9 out of ten but subject to wild fuck ups too in other games. His save from the potential Kilman OG today was incredible.

I like the forward planning with Mayers coming into the squads knowing we’ll be light at left back during AFCON. 

[Massive Attack]

He has improved Todibo and Areola, as well as try to play as many youngsters as he can, that shit is great to see. 

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

I think the difference in opinion is that I guess some feel our football has warranted better results and are hopeful Nuno has us going in the right direction. For me, we are missing good opportunities to get three points far too often and our next two games are against 3rd and 2nd placed sides where we could get cut further adrift.

[Ron Eff]

But above all else, this is a coach dealing with the previous two’s failures. You yourself claim Kilman to be the worst signing of all time, and Potter didn’t see fit to upgrade him. Nuno hasn’t had the chance, but he did at least drop him as soon as he reasonably could. That’s just one example. 

This is a moot point as I'm not criticising Nuno for the state of the squad. Nor am I really arguing the toss over Nuno v Potter. Nuno's job is to be better than 3 other PL clubs.
Pointing to our league position isn't spinning stats. Any perceived resilience in the last few games in comparison to Potter, to me, seems like clutching at straws as it hasn't lifted us up the table.  

It’s not moot as it’s a contributing factor. You were the one who brought Potter into it. 

Nuno is not without criticism. I was very vocal about the fuck ups vs Brentford and Leeds. But since then we have only lost to Liverpool (yes I know, out of sorts Liverpool), and unbeaten in some pretty tricky away games in Bournemouth, Man Utd and Brighton (which but for a refereeing nonsense would have been three points).

We’ll go round in circles and never agree. I’m giving him a chance, you’re not. We can’t all agree or we’d have nothing to debate!

[Eerie Decent]

Potter had half a season last season, a whole summer with a transfer window, and the start of this season, and he made us progressively worse. Corners against us were like penalties, not a single player evidently improved under him, and he was too stubborn to admit he was wrong about certain players. We were clearly going down with a whimper under him.

There have been clear improvements under the new manager, who has been picking up the pieces of the last 3 seasons of diabolical league form. To argue against that is weird. I'm not a big fan of the defensive subs, but let's see after the transfer window when he'll at least have some viable options added to the squad.
 

[Matt Holmes]

Noticeable uplift in performance 
Nuno in

best we could hope to attract under present circumstances 

we lucked out that marinakis binned him off at the right time

points will come

leeds and us in a shootout basically 

can’t take anything for granted but feeling better than if we’d lost these games and we’re 8 points worse off

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

But above all else, this is a coach dealing with the previous two’s failures. You yourself claim Kilman to be the worst signing of all time, and Potter didn’t see fit to upgrade him. Nuno hasn’t had the chance, but he did at least drop him as soon as he reasonably could. That’s just one example. 

This is a moot point as I'm not criticising Nuno for the state of the squad. Nor am I really arguing the toss over Nuno v Potter. Nuno's job is to be better than 3 other PL clubs.
Pointing to our league position isn't spinning stats. Any perceived resilience in the last few games in comparison to Potter, to me, seems like clutching at straws as it hasn't lifted us up the table.  

[Ron Eff]

A lot of clutching at straws here for me. We had 4 points from 5 under potter and have 13 from 15 games now. Had Potter stayed and earned the same results,  I don’t think anyone would be championing an improvement.









 

 

Potter had 3 points. Which means he lost 4 from 5. 5 from 6 when you consider he also lost in the cup to the team who have 2 points all season. 

You think he’d have beaten Newcastle at home having not won at home since February?

You don’t see any improvement on that? In which case I have no words. You’re just a straight up wally. 

 

Yes, Sorry. 3 points  from 5.

My point still stands, had Potter earned the same results there wouldn't be anyone talking him up as turning it around. We are still sitting 18th, having thrown away points in the dying minutes from a winning position, much like under Potter. Nuno's got a 20% win ratio and you're calling me a wally for not pretending that's a marked improvement?

You can spin stats how you want I suppose. For example, Nuno has lost the same amount of games as Potter this season in double the amount of games. That, I would argue, is a marked improvement. Less if you include losing to Wolves (zero wins in the league this season). 

Under Potter, I’m not convinced we would have won a home game yet. Nothing between February and September suggested we would. 

But above all else, this is a coach dealing with the previous two’s failures. You yourself claim Kilman to be the worst signing of all time, and Potter didn’t see fit to upgrade him. Nuno hasn’t had the chance, but he did at least drop him as soon as he reasonably could. That’s just one example. 

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

A lot of clutching at straws here for me. We had 4 points from 5 under potter and have 13 from 15 games now. Had Potter stayed and earned the same results,  I don’t think anyone would be championing an improvement.








 

 

Potter had 3 points. Which means he lost 4 from 5. 5 from 6 when you consider he also lost in the cup to the team who have 2 points all season. 

You think he’d have beaten Newcastle at home having not won at home since February?

You don’t see any improvement on that? In which case I have no words. You’re just a straight up wally. 

 

 

Yes, Sorry. 3 points  from 5.

My point still stands, had Potter earned the same results there wouldn't be anyone talking him up as turning it around. We are still sitting 18th, having thrown away points in the dying minutes from a winning position, much like under Potter. Nuno's got a 20% win ratio and you're calling me a wally for not pretending that's a marked improvement?

[Sweep]

Bournemouth, Brighton, Man U - 20 home games (excluding us), 12 home wins...... all three of them win most of the time at their gaff....so three draws, three unbeaten is beating the average.

Not greatly bothered by Villa next week - they keep winning by the odd goal; that has to come to end, no team can keep doing that.

[Massive Attack]

Good summary RonF.  

The weakness of the squad in several areas ( one in particular ) and its impact ( inability to score enough goals from chances created ) is our biggest problem by some margin.  


 

And yet Nuno hamstrings himself and the Team by limiting Wilsons playing time. I'm not suggesting he plays every minute but it's been questionable how he's managed him up front for us. I personally believe Wilson would have scored more than 3 goals had he played more over the course of the 10 matches in charge. Wilson when he plays looks really good for the most part. Night and day to anything we've got including the German superstar Fullkunt. 

[Sir Alf]

Good summary RonF.  

We are seeing improvement. The weakness of the squad in several areas ( one in particular ) and its impact ( inability to score enough goals from chances created ) is our biggest problem by some margin.  

We can only hope we have enough to stay in touch points wise before sonehow rectifying the squads “holes” in Jan

[Ron Eff]

It'S NOT about  getting Nuno sacked but his subs,line ups and tactics are mad.
Today he brings in Rodriguez who ahsn't seent he light of day in weeks,months,ions. In palce of a 21yr old and 22yrd old. Surely he know's these players have a shorter recovery period than at any age. Fuck me they aren'tplaying 2 games a week every week. Magassa has hardly played so should be fresh,ditto Potts. we play 5 at the back so players in midfield are covered more. He decides to play a 31 yr old who has prove to be crap.
We scored late in one game and conceded late in the next.
2 points from 2 away games is average,normally good but we now play 2 of the top 3 guess what's going to happen ?
Nuno's negative tactics will see us struggle all season no matter who he signs.
It ain't going to be Neymar.

 

And yet that mad line up today had us a blatant handball away from a win at Brighton, which while slightly embarrassing to celebrate, they are a team we have beaten once in the Premier League. On another day we were two+ up and cruising. Summerville missed a sitter, Wilson made a poor decision when 3 v 3, their keeper pulled off a superb double save from Bowen and Summerville again, and the resulting corner somehow stayed out. All while they had recorded zero shots on target. We then still should have won it with Mavropanos’ header at the end. There was nothing wrong with the tactics today, save for maybe being under it for the last five. Which can happen in the Premier League. 

For people to say we parked the bus when you reflect on the above is idiotic. 

[BoleynGone]

It'S NOT about  getting Nuno sacked but his subs,line ups and tactics are mad.
Today he brings in Rodriguez who ahsn't seent he light of day in weeks,months,ions. In palce of a 21yr old and 22yrd old. Surely he know's these players have a shorter recovery period than at any age. Fuck me they aren'tplaying 2 games a week every week. Magassa has hardly played so should be fresh,ditto Potts. we play 5 at the back so players in midfield are covered more. He decides to play a 31 yr old who has prove to be crap.
We scored late in one game and conceded late in the next.
2 points from 2 away games is average,normally good but we now play 2 of the top 3 guess what's going to happen ?
Nuno's negative tactics will see us struggle all season no matter who he signs.
It ain't going to be Neymar.
 

[Django]

A lot of clutching at straws here for me. We had 4 points from 5 under potter and have 13 from 15 games now. Had Potter stayed and earned the same results,  I don’t think anyone would be championing an improvement.





 

 

 

Come off it. Whilst I’ve been critical of some of nunos tactics, we are so much more competitive under him compared to potter. Players have got better, he got rid of the JWP and soucek combo and we are improving. We were going backwards under potter.

[Massive Attack]

There's definitely an improvement to Potter but it's not considerable enough to move the needle on our safety fears. There's also been shit Nuno's done, as well as some good work as previously mentioned.

He'll get the transfer window and the month of February will likely be the time to judge him and take stock with 10 matches remaining from that point. That is unless the wheels comes flying off over the Christmas fixture list then the fuck it button may have to be pressed if it's horrific. Got to try and rack up some points up to the Forest Home game and to continue fighting as we are.

[Alfs]

I'm much happier with Nuno.  We're in the games now, rather than chasing tails.  He's improved players, he's getting results when we were expecting to lose, and I really like his promotion of youth, like West Ham used to be.

Yes, I'd rather he didn't get so defensive when we're up but I'm sure that will change when we're not desperate for points.

[zico]

One defeat in our last 6 games, if we had turned those draws into wins it would be considered a very good run.  Will be interesting to see who he can get in January, as mannagers live or die by their signings as we have seen before.  What worries me is losing Diouf and Wan Bissaka to the ACN.