US Politics Thread

[stubbo-admin]

Seems like the main politics thread is becoming a Yankee-Doodle Trump-fest, so maybe scope here to split them out.

Will see if this one gains any traction ..if it does will move over a few of the million posts from our two protagonists from the other thread.

Yee-haaa!

[goose]

LOL.

too funny! I didn’t get past the first sentence!

You’re hilarious!

Yeh imagine a sitting President being repsonsible for the standard of living in the country he governs?
hilarious.

99% of that debt occurred before Trump took office. Trump has been telling the Fed to lower rates all year. 

Trump has also proposed capping the extortionate interest rates they charge to 10% but that doesn’t happen over night due to the push back from the banks and the courts.

Wage growth is up, other than a magic wand how do you expect Trump to fix the problem so quickly?

I know he is shockingly succesful so far and has delivered huge wins in so many areas that you think he is a magician but some things take time.

There isn’t a man on earth that could fix all of Biden’s fuck ups in 12 months. But Trump has impressed on so many so far. This one might take a little bit longer, be patient he’s working on it.

99% of credit card debt did not exist pre-trump. It's revolving credit that is continously taken on and paid off.
that grew in december far ahead of any expectations. but retail spending in the same month was flat, so people are taking on extra debt without any growth coming from that.
on top of that, growing numbers cannot afford to pay that back. why? because of the cost of living.
food has gone up under trump, so has electricity and so has clothing, healthcare etc etc. all the essentials have gone up.

real wage growth in 2025 was 1% across the board, driven by the top 10%.

as for national debt - the accumulation of debt and speed of accumulation is completely in the control of trump. The 10 year yield has gone up under trump.
and he has chosen to make that debt worse this coming year.

[Nutsin]

ah yes it's always someone else's fault isn't it.
zero jobs created in 2025 is down to someone else.
persistent inflation is someone else's fault.
cost of living pressures is someone else's fault.
people defaulting on their credit card bills or car loans is someone else's fault.
record levels of national debt and accumalted at a record rate.

why do you think trump has the worst approval rating of any modern day president?
he has been in office over a year, when do the excuses stop?

LOL.

too funny! I didn’t get past the first sentence!

You’re hilarious!

Yeh imagine a sitting President being repsonsible for the standard of living in the country he governs?
hilarious.

99% of that debt occurred before Trump took office. Trump has been telling the Fed to lower rates all year. 

Trump has also proposed capping the extortionate interest rates they charge to 10% but that doesn’t happen over night due to the push back from the banks and the courts.

Wage growth is up, other than a magic wand how do you expect Trump to fix the problem so quickly?

I know he is shockingly succesful so far and has delivered huge wins in so many areas that you think he is a magician but some things take time.

There isn’t a man on earth that could fix all of Biden’s fuck ups in 12 months. But Trump has impressed on so many so far. This one might take a little bit longer, be patient he’s working on it.

[goose]

It tells me it’s not Trumps doing, the problem was there before Trump took office. Would have thought that was obvious. Perhaps if the Fed lowered rates it would help people. Just an idea.


Sounds like another bad case of TDS if you ask me.

ah yes it's always someone else's fault isn't it.
zero jobs created in 2025 is down to someone else.
persistent inflation is someone else's fault.
cost of living pressures is someone else's fault.
people defaulting on their credit card bills or car loans is someone else's fault.
record levels of national debt and accumalted at a record rate.

why do you think trump has the worst approval rating of any modern day president?
he has been in office over a year, when do the excuses stop?

LOL.

too funny! I didn’t get past the first sentence!

You’re hilarious!

Yeh imagine a sitting President being repsonsible for the standard of living in the country he governs?
hilarious.

[Dick Shaftsbury]

It tells me it’s not Trumps doing, the problem was there before Trump took office. Would have thought that was obvious. Perhaps if the Fed lowered rates it would help people. Just an idea.


Sounds like another bad case of TDS if you ask me.

ah yes it's always someone else's fault isn't it.
zero jobs created in 2025 is down to someone else.
persistent inflation is someone else's fault.
cost of living pressures is someone else's fault.
people defaulting on their credit card bills or car loans is someone else's fault.
record levels of national debt and accumalted at a record rate.

why do you think trump has the worst approval rating of any modern day president?
he has been in office over a year, when do the excuses stop?

LOL.

too funny! I didn’t get past the first sentence!

You’re hilarious!

"Fake news", "You're hilarious"

Classic cult member response when confronted with a reasonable question.

[Nutsin]

nobody said credit card debt was new. its the speed of the growth that is important here - 5.5%.
way ahead of any other growth metric.
couple that with the deliquency rate which was the highest in a decade in Q4.

what does that tell you?
there is a large chunk of the population who are going backwards and record stock market numbers, or capital investment in data centres mean nothing to them. this is day to day living on an interest rate of 20%.
they are struggling.

It tells me it’s not Trumps doing, the problem was there before Trump took office. Would have thought that was obvious. Perhaps if the Fed lowered rates it would help people. Just an idea.


Sounds like another bad case of TDS if you ask me.

ah yes it's always someone else's fault isn't it.
zero jobs created in 2025 is down to someone else.
persistent inflation is someone else's fault.
cost of living pressures is someone else's fault.
people defaulting on their credit card bills or car loans is someone else's fault.
record levels of national debt and accumalted at a record rate.

why do you think trump has the worst approval rating of any modern day president?
he has been in office over a year, when do the excuses stop?

LOL.

too funny! I didn’t get past the first sentence!

You’re hilarious!

[goose]

Lol credit card debt is nothing new ffs,read the chart attached numbnuts. 


https://share.google/cafZX4VxMTwwUjt4q

nobody said credit card debt was new. its the speed of the growth that is important here - 5.5%.
way ahead of any other growth metric.
couple that with the deliquency rate which was the highest in a decade in Q4.

what does that tell you?
there is a large chunk of the population who are going backwards and record stock market numbers, or capital investment in data centres mean nothing to them. this is day to day living on an interest rate of 20%.
they are struggling.

It tells me it’s not Trumps doing, the problem was there before Trump took office. Would have thought that was obvious. Perhaps if the Fed lowered rates it would help people. Just an idea.


Sounds like another bad case of TDS if you ask me.

ah yes it's always someone else's fault isn't it.
zero jobs created in 2025 is down to someone else.
persistent inflation is someone else's fault.
cost of living pressures is someone else's fault.
people defaulting on their credit card bills or car loans is someone else's fault.
record levels of national debt and accumalted at a record rate.

why do you think trump has the worst approval rating of any modern day president?
he has been in office over a year, when do the excuses stop?

[Nutsin]

It's not been released yet but you were happy to shout 5% as if it was gospel.
Altanta fed nowcast isn't a forecast at all - as the name suggests its a reflection of the here and now.

the FY GDP we're talking about is 'meh'. 
not the 5% you and trump were talking about, certainly not the 15% he claims will happen.

"off the charts" lol
off which chart? not one that includes 2024 or previous i'm guessing.

i dont think the americans who are forced to buy things on credit, or cannot afford to pay that credit back are laughing.

Lol credit card debt is nothing new ffs,read the chart attached numbnuts. 


https://share.google/cafZX4VxMTwwUjt4q

nobody said credit card debt was new. its the speed of the growth that is important here - 5.5%.
way ahead of any other growth metric.
couple that with the deliquency rate which was the highest in a decade in Q4.

what does that tell you?
there is a large chunk of the population who are going backwards and record stock market numbers, or capital investment in data centres mean nothing to them. this is day to day living on an interest rate of 20%.
they are struggling.

It tells me it’s not Trumps doing, the problem was there before Trump took office. Would have thought that was obvious. Perhaps if the Fed lowered rates it would help people. Just an idea.


Sounds like another bad case of TDS if you ask me.

[goose]

First off The 4th quarter GDP first print hasn’t been released yet.

As I already told you it is the Atlanta Fed who is the benchmark for forecasting GDP numbers, They now estimate the 4th quarter at 3.7% which is still a good print especially when you factor in a ridiculously stupid Democratic driven Gov’t shut down. 3rd quarter revised print came in at 4.4%, I’d say the US economy is doing just fine. As are exports.

All the Jan data is off the charts as I’ve already explained to you.

These GDP prints are far better than you or any of your propaganda economists forecast at the start of the Trump presidency and appear to be continuing to show high growth in spite of the Dems doing whatever they can to slow it down and an unaccomodating Fed.

As I already told you- you’ll pull a Cappy by April.

You’re clutching at straws and the more desperate you get the sillier and the more ignorant you look.

And that will happen!

So retarded to be arguing about this still, you don’t even realize yet just how wrong you are, it’s pure comedy gold.

It's not been released yet but you were happy to shout 5% as if it was gospel.
Altanta fed nowcast isn't a forecast at all - as the name suggests its a reflection of the here and now.

the FY GDP we're talking about is 'meh'. 
not the 5% you and trump were talking about, certainly not the 15% he claims will happen.

"off the charts" lol
off which chart? not one that includes 2024 or previous i'm guessing.

i dont think the americans who are forced to buy things on credit, or cannot afford to pay that credit back are laughing.

Lol credit card debt is nothing new ffs,read the chart attached numbnuts. 


https://share.google/cafZX4VxMTwwUjt4q

nobody said credit card debt was new. its the speed of the growth that is important here - 5.5%.
way ahead of any other growth metric.
couple that with the deliquency rate which was the highest in a decade in Q4.

what does that tell you?
there is a large chunk of the population who are going backwards and record stock market numbers, or capital investment in data centres mean nothing to them. this is day to day living on an interest rate of 20%.
they are struggling.

[Nutsin]

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2026/02/10/for ... -2025.html

worst quarterly earnings in 4 years.

The EPS coming in 32% below consensus was the company's first quarterly miss since 2024 and its worst since a 42% difference when reporting its 2021 fourth-quarter results, according to LSEG.

The earnings miss was largely due to unexpected tariff costs of roughly $900 million

Ford's net tariff impact is expected to be roughly flat year-over-year at $2 billion in 2026


elsewhere - https://www.cnbc.com/2026/02/10/new-yor ... llion.html

Americans ended 2025 more in debt than ever before.

Credit card balances hit a fresh high in the fourth quarter, rising by $44 billion to $1.28 trillion, according to a new report on household debt by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York released Tuesday. That’s a 5.5% jump from a year earlier.

First off The 4th quarter GDP first print hasn’t been released yet.

As I already told you it is the Atlanta Fed who is the benchmark for forecasting GDP numbers, They now estimate the 4th quarter at 3.7% which is still a good print especially when you factor in a ridiculously stupid Democratic driven Gov’t shut down. 3rd quarter revised print came in at 4.4%, I’d say the US economy is doing just fine. As are exports.

All the Jan data is off the charts as I’ve already explained to you.

These GDP prints are far better than you or any of your propaganda economists forecast at the start of the Trump presidency and appear to be continuing to show high growth in spite of the Dems doing whatever they can to slow it down and an unaccomodating Fed.

As I already told you- you’ll pull a Cappy by April.

You’re clutching at straws and the more desperate you get the sillier and the more ignorant you look.

And that will happen!

So retarded to be arguing about this still, you don’t even realize yet just how wrong you are, it’s pure comedy gold.

It's not been released yet but you were happy to shout 5% as if it was gospel.
Altanta fed nowcast isn't a forecast at all - as the name suggests its a reflection of the here and now.

the FY GDP we're talking about is 'meh'. 
not the 5% you and trump were talking about, certainly not the 15% he claims will happen.

"off the charts" lol
off which chart? not one that includes 2024 or previous i'm guessing.

i dont think the americans who are forced to buy things on credit, or cannot afford to pay that credit back are laughing.

Lol credit card debt is nothing new ffs,read the chart attached numbnuts. 


https://share.google/cafZX4VxMTwwUjt4q

[goose]

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2026/02/10/for ... -2025.html

worst quarterly earnings in 4 years.

The EPS coming in 32% below consensus was the company's first quarterly miss since 2024 and its worst since a 42% difference when reporting its 2021 fourth-quarter results, according to LSEG.

The earnings miss was largely due to unexpected tariff costs of roughly $900 million

Ford's net tariff impact is expected to be roughly flat year-over-year at $2 billion in 2026


elsewhere - https://www.cnbc.com/2026/02/10/new-yor ... llion.html

Americans ended 2025 more in debt than ever before.

Credit card balances hit a fresh high in the fourth quarter, rising by $44 billion to $1.28 trillion, according to a new report on household debt by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York released Tuesday. That’s a 5.5% jump from a year earlier.

First off The 4th quarter GDP first print hasn’t been released yet.

As I already told you it is the Atlanta Fed who is the benchmark for forecasting GDP numbers, They now estimate the 4th quarter at 3.7% which is still a good print especially when you factor in a ridiculously stupid Democratic driven Gov’t shut down. 3rd quarter revised print came in at 4.4%, I’d say the US economy is doing just fine. As are exports.

All the Jan data is off the charts as I’ve already explained to you.

These GDP prints are far better than you or any of your propaganda economists forecast at the start of the Trump presidency and appear to be continuing to show high growth in spite of the Dems doing whatever they can to slow it down and an unaccomodating Fed.

As I already told you- you’ll pull a Cappy by April.

You’re clutching at straws and the more desperate you get the sillier and the more ignorant you look.

And that will happen!

So retarded to be arguing about this still, you don’t even realize yet just how wrong you are, it’s pure comedy gold.

It's not been released yet but you were happy to shout 5% as if it was gospel.
Altanta fed nowcast isn't a forecast at all - as the name suggests its a reflection of the here and now.

the FY GDP we're talking about is 'meh'. 
not the 5% you and trump were talking about, certainly not the 15% he claims will happen.

"off the charts" lol
off which chart? not one that includes 2024 or previous i'm guessing.

i dont think the americans who are forced to buy things on credit, or cannot afford to pay that credit back are laughing.

[Nutsin]

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2026/02/10/for ... -2025.html

worst quarterly earnings in 4 years.

The EPS coming in 32% below consensus was the company's first quarterly miss since 2024 and its worst since a 42% difference when reporting its 2021 fourth-quarter results, according to LSEG.

The earnings miss was largely due to unexpected tariff costs of roughly $900 million

Ford's net tariff impact is expected to be roughly flat year-over-year at $2 billion in 2026


elsewhere - https://www.cnbc.com/2026/02/10/new-yor ... llion.html

Americans ended 2025 more in debt than ever before.

Credit card balances hit a fresh high in the fourth quarter, rising by $44 billion to $1.28 trillion, according to a new report on household debt by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York released Tuesday. That’s a 5.5% jump from a year earlier.

First off The 4th quarter GDP first print hasn’t been released yet.

As I already told you it is the Atlanta Fed who is the benchmark for forecasting GDP numbers, They now estimate the 4th quarter at 3.7% which is still a good print especially when you factor in a ridiculously stupid Democratic driven Gov’t shut down. 3rd quarter revised print came in at 4.4%, I’d say the US economy is doing just fine. As are exports.

All the Jan data is off the charts as I’ve already explained to you.

These GDP prints are far better than you or any of your propaganda economists forecast at the start of the Trump presidency and appear to be continuing to show high growth in spite of the Dems doing whatever they can to slow it down and an unaccomodating Fed.

As I already told you- you’ll pull a Cappy by April.

You’re clutching at straws and the more desperate you get the sillier and the more ignorant you look.

And that will happen!

So retarded to be arguing about this still, you don’t even realize yet just how wrong you are, it’s pure comedy gold.

[goose]

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2026/02/10/for ... -2025.html

worst quarterly earnings in 4 years.

The EPS coming in 32% below consensus was the company's first quarterly miss since 2024 and its worst since a 42% difference when reporting its 2021 fourth-quarter results, according to LSEG.

The earnings miss was largely due to unexpected tariff costs of roughly $900 million

Ford's net tariff impact is expected to be roughly flat year-over-year at $2 billion in 2026


elsewhere - https://www.cnbc.com/2026/02/10/new-yor ... llion.html

Americans ended 2025 more in debt than ever before.

Credit card balances hit a fresh high in the fourth quarter, rising by $44 billion to $1.28 trillion, according to a new report on household debt by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York released Tuesday. That’s a 5.5% jump from a year earlier.

[goose]

Not quite, we have Manufacturing printing at 52.6 
Private sector jobs at 170,000
Job numbers of 130,000 when you back out the cull in Gov’t jobs.
Stock market at an all time high!
Cap Ex booming!
GDP taking off…… Blue sky Baby!

The Golden years! Your shrinking!

One month doesn’t make a trend. And a one month bump in healthcare jobs isn’t a booming economy. Quite the opposite.

I agree one month does not make a trend but It’s a great start. We’ll see what February numbers say. I reckon by April you’ll pull a Cappy.

Did you notice your 5% Q4 GDP has now been revised down to 3.7%?
Becasue what you were quoting is not a GDP forecast its a 'nowcast' for a point in time.

its been revised downwards because of softer consumer spending.

NY Fed assumption for Q4 is 2.7%. so somewhere between 2.1% to 2.4% full year? hardly "taking off" is it?

[Nutsin]

I’ll take that as a yes then. Are we ignoring the rise in input costs as well?

on top of 12 months of contraction of the manufacturing industry, you’ve had:
$2trn added to the national debt 
Zero job growth 
record level of personal debt
highest credit card defaults since 2008
persistent inflation and cost of living increases 
highest level of auto loan defaults since 2008
highest level of bankruptcies in 15 years

and the lowest approval rating of any president on record 

Not quite, we have Manufacturing printing at 52.6 
Private sector jobs at 170,000
Job numbers of 130,000 when you back out the cull in Gov’t jobs.
Stock market at an all time high!
Cap Ex booming!
GDP taking off…… Blue sky Baby!

The Golden years! Your shrinking!

One month doesn’t make a trend. And a one month bump in healthcare jobs isn’t a booming economy. Quite the opposite.

I agree one month does not make a trend but It’s a great start. We’ll see what February numbers say. I reckon by April you’ll pull a Cappy.

[goose]

I didn’t think you would watch. It’s getting to be about that time that you will start burying your head in the sand.

Not much longer now before you pull a Cappy!

I’ll take that as a yes then. Are we ignoring the rise in input costs as well?

on top of 12 months of contraction of the manufacturing industry, you’ve had:
$2trn added to the national debt 
Zero job growth 
record level of personal debt
highest credit card defaults since 2008
persistent inflation and cost of living increases 
highest level of auto loan defaults since 2008
highest level of bankruptcies in 15 years

and the lowest approval rating of any president on record 

Not quite, we have Manufacturing printing at 52.6 
Private sector jobs at 170,000
Job numbers of 130,000 when you back out the cull in Gov’t jobs.
Stock market at an all time high!
Cap Ex booming!
GDP taking off…… Blue sky Baby!

The Golden years! Your shrinking!

One month doesn’t make a trend. And a one month bump in healthcare jobs isn’t a booming economy. Quite the opposite.

[Nutsin]

I can’t be bothered to watch it, does it have any actual facts in it or just hot air?
if it’s one month with a tiny increase in jobs and orders after 12 months of continuous contraction then don’t waste my time.

I didn’t think you would watch. It’s getting to be about that time that you will start burying your head in the sand.

Not much longer now before you pull a Cappy!

I’ll take that as a yes then. Are we ignoring the rise in input costs as well?

on top of 12 months of contraction of the manufacturing industry, you’ve had:
$2trn added to the national debt 
Zero job growth 
record level of personal debt
highest credit card defaults since 2008
persistent inflation and cost of living increases 
highest level of auto loan defaults since 2008
highest level of bankruptcies in 15 years

and the lowest approval rating of any president on record 

Not quite, we have Manufacturing printing at 52.6 
Private sector jobs at 170,000
Job numbers of 130,000 when you back out the cull in Gov’t jobs.
Stock market at an all time high!
Cap Ex booming!
GDP taking off…… Blue sky Baby!

The Golden years! Your shrinking!

[goose]

Poor Goose. I think you should watch this, you might learn something.

I can’t be bothered to watch it, does it have any actual facts in it or just hot air?
if it’s one month with a tiny increase in jobs and orders after 12 months of continuous contraction then don’t waste my time.

I didn’t think you would watch. It’s getting to be about that time that you will start burying your head in the sand.

Not much longer now before you pull a Cappy!

I’ll take that as a yes then. Are we ignoring the rise in input costs as well?

on top of 12 months of contraction of the manufacturing industry, you’ve had:
$2trn added to the national debt 
Zero job growth 
record level of personal debt
highest credit card defaults since 2008
persistent inflation and cost of living increases 
highest level of auto loan defaults since 2008
highest level of bankruptcies in 15 years

and the lowest approval rating of any president on record 

[Nutsin]

Poor Goose. I think you should watch this, you might learn something.

I can’t be bothered to watch it, does it have any actual facts in it or just hot air?
if it’s one month with a tiny increase in jobs and orders after 12 months of continuous contraction then don’t waste my time.

I didn’t think you would watch. It’s getting to be about that time that you will start burying your head in the sand.

Not much longer now before you pull a Cappy!

[goose]

Poor Goose. I think you should watch this, you might learn something.

I can’t be bothered to watch it, does it have any actual facts in it or just hot air?
if it’s one month with a tiny increase in jobs and orders after 12 months of continuous contraction then don’t waste my time.

[Nutsin]

Poor Goose. I think you should watch this, you might learn something.

[Nutsin]

[goose]

So we'll just turn a blind eye to when he rapes women shall we?

maybe rapists should get the death penalty as well.

[Nutsin]

Haven’t you read the Epstein files son?

might want to bring yourself up to speed a little.

[goose]

How about this lil chestnut.

Don’t you wish you had a real leader?

I dunno, I prefer my leaders not to rape women.
or wear make up.

[goose]

I bet the fuckwits on here wish they had a leader who was putting more money in their pockets.

 

 

real wage growth in 2025 was 1%.
thats bang average for the last decade or so.