Romford to leave London?

[Mad Ferret]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 71268.html

Was never London anyway, as far as I'm concerned. 

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

I had a chat with Nigel Khan about this (our unofficial historian), and he’s of the opinion that Thames Ironworks and West Ham United are not the same team, which if you follow his line of thinking would definitely make us an Essex club by county lines at the time. 

 

That's quite interesting. Although the club themselves claim to have been formed in 1895 rather than 1900.

No WHU without the Thames Ironworks, either way.

Not too fussed about the old county lines tbh. Sp*rs would be a Middlesex club, Crystal Palace a Surrey club etc.

Wall are Middlesex too on old maps..

[XKhammer]

Was it having "London" on our badge/crest what won us the Conference League?

Zźzzźzzźźzzz 
Bore off please 

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

The origins of the club are as shipbuilders in London.

Mot sure why you'd be so desperate to claim the club as some poncey Essex turnout.

Not sure why you think I am trying to make out that West Ham are some sort of "poncey" Essex outfit. West Ham was historically part of Essex that is all I am saying.

Why you find this such an offensive assault upon the working-class values of the East End that you seem to ascribe exclusively to Londoners West of the River Lea I can only guess is some sort of inverted snobbery.

How do you sleep knowing that Arnold Hills an industrialist philanthropist, and an Oxford Graduate founded Thames Ironworks FC.  And of course he lived in poncey Essex, First Canning Town then dear oh dear Chigwell the ponce!

  

The heart of the east end and by extension WHU is canning town .
Always was and always will be.
Wall can fuck off 

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

Always classed them as a part of the ELF brigade..?

[easthammer]

The origins of the club are as shipbuilders in London.

Mot sure why you'd be so desperate to claim the club as some poncey Essex turnout.

Not sure why you think I am trying to make out that West Ham are some sort of "poncey" Essex outfit. West Ham was historically part of Essex that is all I am saying.

Why you find this such an offensive assault upon the working-class values of the East End that you seem to ascribe exclusively to Londoners West of the River Lea I can only guess is some sort of inverted snobbery.

How do you sleep knowing that Arnold Hills an industrialist philanthropist, and an Oxford Graduate founded Thames Ironworks FC.  And of course he lived in poncey Essex, First Canning Town then dear oh dear Chigwell the ponce!

  

[Mike Oxsaw]

Was it having "London" on our badge/crest what won us the Conference League?

[Mad Ferret]

I had a chat with Nigel Khan about this (our unofficial historian), and he’s of the opinion that Thames Ironworks and West Ham United are not the same team, which if you follow his line of thinking would definitely make us an Essex club by county lines at the time. 
 

That's quite interesting. Although the club themselves claim to have been formed in 1895 rather than 1900.

No WHU without the Thames Ironworks, either way.

Not too fussed about the old county lines tbh. Sp*rs would be a Middlesex club, Crystal Palace a Surrey club etc.

[Pub Bigot]

The clubs identity is East End/East London irrespective of where the old county lines were. 

in fact, having done the research on the people’s identity of the time, the areas West Ham played, the people considered themselves Londoners due to the proximity to the East End, which at the time was a tiny place (still is as East London wasn’t a thing back then). 

I had a chat with Nigel Khan about this (our unofficial historian), and he’s of the opinion that Thames Ironworks and West Ham United are not the same team, which if you follow his line of thinking would definitely make us an Essex club by county lines at the time. 

 

[Mad Ferret]

The origins of the club are as shipbuilders in London.

Mot sure why you'd be so desperate to claim the club as some poncey Essex turnout.

[easthammer]

I didn't know this until I just checked it ot but it seems The Thames Ironworks was itself primarily on the Essex bank of the River Lea.

From AI

The Thames Ironworks and Shipbuilding Company was primarily situated on the east bank of BowCreek (Canning Town/West Ham side). 
However, the company was large and operated on both sides of the mouth of Bow Creek at its confluence with the River Thames. 

• East Bank (Main Site): By 1856-1891, the main yard was located on the east bank of Bow Creek in Canning Town.
• West Bank (Initial/Smaller Site): The original 1838 site was at Orchard Place, Blackwall, on the west side of Bow Creek.

Yep, original site therefore in the East End of London.

 

 

Ferret you seem really desperate to claim West Ham as originating in the East End of London but the facts are:
When Thames Ironworks formed its football club in 1890 its main site was in Essex and had been for 34 years. The team played its matches in Essex and when it was reconstituted as West Ham Utd  the team was that of a County Borough not a London Borough. We should at the next home game replace "East East East London!  with West West West Essex!

[XKhammer]

I like Upminster as it doesn't feel like like London.

 

Lovely windmill 
Walked past that on  the way from the station to watch Tonbridge at Hornchurch on Saturday. 

One of only 3 in Greater London other 2 Brixton and Wimbledon 
Couldn't make that Hornchurch  game due to watching our cup game in pub going into extra time

[Sarge]

I like Upminster as it doesn't feel like like London.
 

Lovely windmill 
Walked past that on  the way from the station to watch Tonbridge at Hornchurch on Saturday. 

[goose]

Not sure be good idea
Yes good to get away from Kunt Khan but then would we join up with Thurrock who are broke?
Romford is a shithole
I like Upminster as it doesn't feel like part of London...no mosques/Asylum seekers or crackerheads....if l wanted that I'll move to Broxbourne 

you aint half dumb joyo son. zero mosques in broxbourne or the surrounding.

looks like they're building a nice big mosque within a couple of miles of you. On top of the couple you have down the road already.
at least you'll both have something in common (abusing underage girls).

So you just have the asylum seekers and crackheads then?

 

 

Zero and zero.
No cycling nonces either.

[Mad Ferret]

I didn't know this until I just checked it ot but it seems The Thames Ironworks was itself primarily on the Essex bank of the River Lea.

From AI

The Thames Ironworks and Shipbuilding Company was primarily situated on the east bank of BowCreek (Canning Town/West Ham side). 
However, the company was large and operated on both sides of the mouth of Bow Creek at its confluence with the River Thames. 

• East Bank (Main Site): By 1856-1891, the main yard was located on the east bank of Bow Creek in Canning Town.
• West Bank (Initial/Smaller Site): The original 1838 site was at Orchard Place, Blackwall, on the west side of Bow Creek.

Yep, original site therefore in the East End of London.

[XKhammer]

Not sure be good idea
Yes good to get away from Kunt Khan but then would we join up with Thurrock who are broke?
Romford is a shithole
I like Upminster as it doesn't feel like part of London...no mosques/Asylum seekers or crackerheads....if l wanted that I'll move to Broxbourne 

you aint half dumb joyo son. zero mosques in broxbourne or the surrounding.

looks like they're building a nice big mosque within a couple of miles of you. On top of the couple you have down the road already.
at least you'll both have something in common (abusing underage girls).

So you just have the asylum seekers and crackheads then?

[easthammer]

I didn't know this until I just checked it ot but it seems The Thames Ironworks was itself primarily on the Essex bank of the River Lea.

From AI

The Thames Ironworks and Shipbuilding Company was primarily situated on the east bank of BowCreek (Canning Town/West Ham side). 
However, the company was large and operated on both sides of the mouth of Bow Creek at its confluence with the River Thames. 

• East Bank (Main Site): By 1856-1891, the main yard was located on the east bank of Bow Creek in Canning Town.
• West Bank (Initial/Smaller Site): The original 1838 site was at Orchard Place, Blackwall, on the west side of Bow Creek.

[easthammer]

When West Ham Utd was formed in 1900 West Ham was geographically in Essex. West Ham was a County Borough ( and not London Borough) with some autonomy administratively ( same as East Ham) both had London postcodes but were partially administered from Essex. 

So, historically, West Ham Utd  are more of an Essex club than a London club

The Thames Ironworks were located in Blackwall, west of the river Lea.

The works may well have been but the football grounds that they played at i.e,
Hermit Road 1895–1896 Browning Road 1896 Memorial Grounds 1897–1900 and until 1904 as West Ham Utd were all in West Ham ( or maybe Plaistowe in the case of Hermit Road) and thus not in London but in  Essex. 

[zebthecat]

When West Ham Utd was formed in 1900 West Ham was geographically in Essex. West Ham was a County Borough ( and not London Borough) with some autonomy administratively ( same as East Ham) both had London postcodes but were partially administered from Essex. 

So, historically, West Ham Utd  are more of an Essex club than a London club

The Thames Ironworks were located in Blackwall, west of the river Lea.

Just
The ships were launched on Bow Creek.

[Mad Ferret]

When West Ham Utd was formed in 1900 West Ham was geographically in Essex. West Ham was a County Borough ( and not London Borough) with some autonomy administratively ( same as East Ham) both had London postcodes but were partially administered from Essex. 

So, historically, West Ham Utd  are more of an Essex club than a London club

The Thames Ironworks were located in Blackwall, west of the river Lea.

[easthammer]

When West Ham Utd was formed in 1900 West Ham was geographically in Essex. West Ham was a County Borough ( and not London Borough) with some autonomy administratively ( same as East Ham) both had London postcodes but were partially administered from Essex. 

So, historically, West Ham Utd  are more of an Essex club than a London club

[Mad Ferret]

As far as Romford’s concerned, I don’t care, but I’ve always considered it as Essex as a native of Bow. 

I’m Bethnal Green, and same mate.

Still think of Dagenham as Essex tbh.

[Alfs]

I lived in both Redbridge and Ilford, neither I considered to be proper London.

[Pub Bigot]

Since moving to Sunderland, anything south of Birmingham is "that London" as far as I'm concerned. 

Out of curiosity, what made you leave leafy Surrey for Sunderland? 

I’m a London exile in the north. 

As far as Romford’s concerned, I don’t care, but I’ve always considered it as Essex as a native of Bow. 

[Leonard Hatred]

Since moving to Sunderland, anything south of Birmingham is "that London" as far as I'm concerned. 

[Mike Oxsaw]

Post codes belong to the age of steam trains, trams & trolley buses.

They were introduced to speed up the very manual tasks of sorting letters & parcels at every stage of their delivery from sender to recipient.

Could easily replace them these days with their GPS equivalents, what mail there is would still get through.

Chadwell Heath had an RM postcode, but everything the London/Ilford side of Whalebone Lane was actually in Barking & Dagenham.

If I remember correctly, Warren School was under the administration of Essex County Council - on account of it being on the western side of Whalebone Lane - but the majority of it's pupils came from homes to the east of Whalebone Lane. The old Whalebone library, on the Romford side of Whalebone Lane was, however, under the jurisdiction of Valence House, the main, central Library for Barking & Dagenham.

The old Chadwell Heath police station was part of the Met, but it's cars, bikes minibuses & Black Marias were managed & maintained from Romford police station - Essex constabulary,