US Politics Thread

[stubbo-admin]

Seems like the main politics thread is becoming a Yankee-Doodle Trump-fest, so maybe scope here to split them out.

Will see if this one gains any traction ..if it does will move over a few of the million posts from our two protagonists from the other thread.

Yee-haaa!

[goose]

It’s just a silly argument, you’re so desperate for a win.

Trumps tax cuts kick in this year, remember? 

It takes time to locate and build the plants and factories for new investment to filter through to new jobs, which has just started to show up in the data, right when you’d expect it to. Next you will start to see productivity, then comes the GDP data.

I think anyone with half a brain would understand that.


Instead of being an imbecile that thinks Trump has a magic wand why don’t you just accept that Trumps Tariffs did not bring Stagflation, the sky didn’t fall in and they have brought in huge sums of new investment to the US which is good for US jobs, Billions in Tariff revenue and some very good trade agreements for the US ?

This will bring growth and prosperity to the working class. We will no longer be an economy driven by Fed policy which favors the wealthy and leaves main st struggling and the US at the mercy of China.

You've had a year and have only brought a huge backwards step in jobs and GDP. Inflation has gone up from day 1 of Trumps 2nd term.

You think zero jobs growth, 1.4% GDP and persistent inflation are silly arguments? The opinion polls do not agree with you.

Data centres will not deliver jobs, they will remove jobs. They will deliver growth for the top 10%.
Everyone else faces zero job growth and higher inflation thanks to tariffs. Ther tax cuts are not for them.

Actually Tariffs were announced in April, trade agreements are still being struck but many are recent. 

So it hasn’t been a year has it.

Again 1.4% includes a Gov’t shutdown and a collapse in Gov’t spending. Funny how you choose to not get into the weeds on that.

Q3 GDP was much higher. 

Jobs are going to the private sector and to Americans, now that Immigration is being tackled wages are going up and rents are starting to drop.

Id say that’s a good thing for the less fortunate wouldn’t you?


Go on I’ll let you have the last word I’m tired of hearing you repeat yourself.

 

 

FY GDP was 2.2%.
Q4 is reflective of the latest trend, as is the flat retail sales in December.
As is the record amount of personal debt and highet defaul figures on that debt on over a decade.

The private sector is not creating jobs. You can hang on to one month of healthcare as much as you like.
One last time - zero job growth across 2025. An entire year with no jobs created.

Tariffs have been paid by American consumers and American companies. This is also a fact.
They have also done the opposite of what they were meant to do, the trade deficit on goods actually grew bigger. Oh and manufacturing shed jobs every month of the year from April onwards.

[Nutsin]

You mean like fixating on one months job data instead the 12 month direction of travel?
The fundamentals are an entire year with no job growth, muted economic growth and persistent inflation. The thing you are investing all this money in doesn’t create jobs, in fact it takes them.

Watching you try and cling on to any scrap of data is hilarious to watch though.

It’s just a silly argument, you’re so desperate for a win.

Trumps tax cuts kick in this year, remember? 

It takes time to locate and build the plants and factories for new investment to filter through to new jobs, which has just started to show up in the data, right when you’d expect it to. Next you will start to see productivity, then comes the GDP data.

I think anyone with half a brain would understand that.


Instead of being an imbecile that thinks Trump has a magic wand why don’t you just accept that Trumps Tariffs did not bring Stagflation, the sky didn’t fall in and they have brought in huge sums of new investment to the US which is good for US jobs, Billions in Tariff revenue and some very good trade agreements for the US ?

This will bring growth and prosperity to the working class. We will no longer be an economy driven by Fed policy which favors the wealthy and leaves main st struggling and the US at the mercy of China.

You've had a year and have only brought a huge backwards step in jobs and GDP. Inflation has gone up from day 1 of Trumps 2nd term.

You think zero jobs growth, 1.4% GDP and persistent inflation are silly arguments? The opinion polls do not agree with you.

Data centres will not deliver jobs, they will remove jobs. They will deliver growth for the top 10%.
Everyone else faces zero job growth and higher inflation thanks to tariffs. Ther tax cuts are not for them.

170,000 new private payroll jobs is hardly a step backwards. Trumps policies are delivering for the US workers. 

[Nutsin]

You mean like fixating on one months job data instead the 12 month direction of travel?
The fundamentals are an entire year with no job growth, muted economic growth and persistent inflation. The thing you are investing all this money in doesn’t create jobs, in fact it takes them.

Watching you try and cling on to any scrap of data is hilarious to watch though.

It’s just a silly argument, you’re so desperate for a win.

Trumps tax cuts kick in this year, remember? 

It takes time to locate and build the plants and factories for new investment to filter through to new jobs, which has just started to show up in the data, right when you’d expect it to. Next you will start to see productivity, then comes the GDP data.

I think anyone with half a brain would understand that.


Instead of being an imbecile that thinks Trump has a magic wand why don’t you just accept that Trumps Tariffs did not bring Stagflation, the sky didn’t fall in and they have brought in huge sums of new investment to the US which is good for US jobs, Billions in Tariff revenue and some very good trade agreements for the US ?

This will bring growth and prosperity to the working class. We will no longer be an economy driven by Fed policy which favors the wealthy and leaves main st struggling and the US at the mercy of China.

You've had a year and have only brought a huge backwards step in jobs and GDP. Inflation has gone up from day 1 of Trumps 2nd term.

You think zero jobs growth, 1.4% GDP and persistent inflation are silly arguments? The opinion polls do not agree with you.

Data centres will not deliver jobs, they will remove jobs. They will deliver growth for the top 10%.
Everyone else faces zero job growth and higher inflation thanks to tariffs. Ther tax cuts are not for them.

Actually Tariffs were announced in April, trade agreements are still being struck but many are recent. 

So it hasn’t been a year has it.

Again 1.4% includes a Gov’t shutdown and a collapse in Gov’t spending. Funny how you choose to not get into the weeds on that.

Q3 GDP was much higher. 

Jobs are going to the private sector and to Americans, now that Immigration is being tackled wages are going up and rents are starting to drop.

Id say that’s a good thing for the less fortunate wouldn’t you?


Go on I’ll let you have the last word I’m tired of hearing you repeat yourself.

[goose]

 No, it’s because you don’t understand the fundamentals or the technicals. All you do is read the Data and proclaim Armageddon. Fixating on any negative you can find….. Here’s a little secret, there will always be negatives, there is no such thing as a perfect economy.

You mean like fixating on one months job data instead the 12 month direction of travel?
The fundamentals are an entire year with no job growth, muted economic growth and persistent inflation. The thing you are investing all this money in doesn’t create jobs, in fact it takes them.

Watching you try and cling on to any scrap of data is hilarious to watch though.

It’s just a silly argument, you’re so desperate for a win.

Trumps tax cuts kick in this year, remember? 

It takes time to locate and build the plants and factories for new investment to filter through to new jobs, which has just started to show up in the data, right when you’d expect it to. Next you will start to see productivity, then comes the GDP data.

I think anyone with half a brain would understand that.


Instead of being an imbecile that thinks Trump has a magic wand why don’t you just accept that Trumps Tariffs did not bring Stagflation, the sky didn’t fall in and they have brought in huge sums of new investment to the US which is good for US jobs, Billions in Tariff revenue and some very good trade agreements for the US ?

This will bring growth and prosperity to the working class. We will no longer be an economy driven by Fed policy which favors the wealthy and leaves main st struggling and the US at the mercy of China.

You've had a year and have only brought a huge backwards step in jobs and GDP. Inflation has gone up from day 1 of Trumps 2nd term.

You think zero jobs growth, 1.4% GDP and persistent inflation are silly arguments? The opinion polls do not agree with you.

Data centres will not deliver jobs, they will remove jobs. They will deliver growth for the top 10%.
Everyone else faces zero job growth and higher inflation thanks to tariffs. Ther tax cuts are not for them.

[Nutsin]

 

It’s because you don’t understand the difference between a ‘nowcast’ and a forecast, but you decided to shout it all over here as some kind of ‘win’.
Bit embarrassing  but I guess it’s par for the course with you.

Jobs all driven by healthcare & social care. You’re celebrating 1 month after 12 months of zero growth, and celebrating growth in one area which isn’t going to deliver growth.

Trump said he’d half electricity costs straight away……… but then he also said there would be no inflation, no trade deficit and 15% GDP  

 No, it’s because you don’t understand the fundamentals or the technicals. All you do is read the Data and proclaim Armageddon. Fixating on any negative you can find….. Here’s a little secret, there will always be negatives, there is no such thing as a perfect economy.

You mean like fixating on one months job data instead the 12 month direction of travel?
The fundamentals are an entire year with no job growth, muted economic growth and persistent inflation. The thing you are investing all this money in doesn’t create jobs, in fact it takes them.

Watching you try and cling on to any scrap of data is hilarious to watch though.

It’s just a silly argument, you’re so desperate for a win.

Trumps tax cuts kick in this year, remember? 

It takes time to locate and build the plants and factories for new investment to filter through to new jobs, which has just started to show up in the data, right when you’d expect it to. Next you will start to see productivity, then comes the GDP data.

I think anyone with half a brain would understand that.


Instead of being an imbecile that thinks Trump has a magic wand why don’t you just accept that Trumps Tariffs did not bring Stagflation, the sky didn’t fall in and they have brought in huge sums of new investment to the US which is good for US jobs, Billions in Tariff revenue and some very good trade agreements for the US ?

This will bring growth and prosperity to the working class. We will no longer be an economy driven by Fed policy which favors the wealthy and leaves main st struggling and the US at the mercy of China.

[,]

In the USA the top 1% hold a third of the nation’s wealth. The upper decile are getting richer exponentially at the expense of the other 90% it seems.

[goose]

I’d ask the Atlanta Fed about their 5% GDP print.
I just told you about the 170,000 private jobs created. Inflation is way down from the nightmare of Bidenomics.

Halving electricity costs while AI is exploding might take a minute…… Hang in there.

 

It’s because you don’t understand the difference between a ‘nowcast’ and a forecast, but you decided to shout it all over here as some kind of ‘win’.
Bit embarrassing  but I guess it’s par for the course with you.

Jobs all driven by healthcare & social care. You’re celebrating 1 month after 12 months of zero growth, and celebrating growth in one area which isn’t going to deliver growth.

Trump said he’d half electricity costs straight away……… but then he also said there would be no inflation, no trade deficit and 15% GDP  

 No, it’s because you don’t understand the fundamentals or the technicals. All you do is read the Data and proclaim Armageddon. Fixating on any negative you can find….. Here’s a little secret, there will always be negatives, there is no such thing as a perfect economy.

You mean like fixating on one months job data instead the 12 month direction of travel?
The fundamentals are an entire year with no job growth, muted economic growth and persistent inflation. The thing you are investing all this money in doesn’t create jobs, in fact it takes them.

Watching you try and cling on to any scrap of data is hilarious to watch though.

[Nutsin]

Gov spending cost about 0.5% in Q4 and was a conscious and self inflicted decision.
Full year growth of 2% is piss poor.
Zero job growth is even worse. Biden created 1m jobs in 2024.
You don’t need to turn around those job numbers or the GDP growth. What you’ve actually done is make it worse.

Your excuses are hilarious, always someone else’s fault isn’t it?

What happened to 5% GDP? What happened to all the jobs they were creating? What happened to no inflation? Or halving electricity costs?

I’d ask the Atlanta Fed about their 5% GDP print.
I just told you about the 170,000 private jobs created. Inflation is way down from the nightmare of Bidenomics.

Halving electricity costs while AI is exploding might take a minute…… Hang in there.

 

It’s because you don’t understand the difference between a ‘nowcast’ and a forecast, but you decided to shout it all over here as some kind of ‘win’.
Bit embarrassing  but I guess it’s par for the course with you.

Jobs all driven by healthcare & social care. You’re celebrating 1 month after 12 months of zero growth, and celebrating growth in one area which isn’t going to deliver growth.

Trump said he’d half electricity costs straight away……… but then he also said there would be no inflation, no trade deficit and 15% GDP  

 No, it’s because you don’t understand the fundamentals or the technicals. All you do is read the Data and proclaim Armageddon. Fixating on any negative you can find….. Here’s a little secret, there will always be negatives, there is no such thing as a perfect economy.

[goose]

Well we dig have a giant hole to dig out from. The fact that you are so impatient for a turn around tells me everything I need to know.

I know you know you can’t turn an economy around over night, however saying that Investments are pouring in, capex is through the roof private payrolls came in at 170,000 pretty big fucking number. Productivity is taking off, Inflaton way below the Biden’s highs. 

All this with no help from the Fed, imagine that, and of course the axing of Gov’t jobs/bloat and Deportations.

GDP was hit by the collapse in Gov’t spending which is a good thing of course and the Democrats Gov’t shut down.


All stuff anybody would understand except a troll of course. But do carry on mugging yourself.

Gov spending cost about 0.5% in Q4 and was a conscious and self inflicted decision.
Full year growth of 2% is piss poor.
Zero job growth is even worse. Biden created 1m jobs in 2024.
You don’t need to turn around those job numbers or the GDP growth. What you’ve actually done is make it worse.

Your excuses are hilarious, always someone else’s fault isn’t it?

What happened to 5% GDP? What happened to all the jobs they were creating? What happened to no inflation? Or halving electricity costs?

I’d ask the Atlanta Fed about their 5% GDP print.
I just told you about the 170,000 private jobs created. Inflation is way down from the nightmare of Bidenomics.

Halving electricity costs while AI is exploding might take a minute…… Hang in there.

 

 

It’s because you don’t understand the difference between a ‘nowcast’ and a forecast, but you decided to shout it all over here as some kind of ‘win’.
Bit embarrassing  but I guess it’s par for the course with you.

Jobs all driven by healthcare & social care. You’re celebrating 1 month after 12 months of zero growth, and celebrating growth in one area which isn’t going to deliver growth.

Trump said he’d half electricity costs straight away……… but then he also said there would be no inflation, no trade deficit and 15% GDP  

[Nutsin]

[Nutsin]

one month of healthcare jobs  
hold the front page!!

zero jobs growth over a full year
2% GDP for the entire year.
1.4% in the final quarter  
inflation at 3%.

what happened to 5% GDP son?


for context, the worst president in recent history delivered  in 2024
higher GDP growth 
1m new jobs

Well we dig have a giant hole to dig out from. The fact that you are so impatient for a turn around tells me everything I need to know.

I know you know you can’t turn an economy around over night, however saying that Investments are pouring in, capex is through the roof private payrolls came in at 170,000 pretty big fucking number. Productivity is taking off, Inflaton way below the Biden’s highs. 

All this with no help from the Fed, imagine that, and of course the axing of Gov’t jobs/bloat and Deportations.

GDP was hit by the collapse in Gov’t spending which is a good thing of course and the Democrats Gov’t shut down.


All stuff anybody would understand except a troll of course. But do carry on mugging yourself.

Gov spending cost about 0.5% in Q4 and was a conscious and self inflicted decision.
Full year growth of 2% is piss poor.
Zero job growth is even worse. Biden created 1m jobs in 2024.
You don’t need to turn around those job numbers or the GDP growth. What you’ve actually done is make it worse.

Your excuses are hilarious, always someone else’s fault isn’t it?

What happened to 5% GDP? What happened to all the jobs they were creating? What happened to no inflation? Or halving electricity costs?

I’d ask the Atlanta Fed about their 5% GDP print.
I just told you about the 170,000 private jobs created. Inflation is way down from the nightmare of Bidenomics.

Halving electricity costs while AI is exploding might take a minute…… Hang in there.

[goose]

You bullshitting again?

Job numbers were a lot higher than expected remember? 4th quarter GDP has been explained and inflation outlook remains positive.

Productivity is up too.

You must do better.

one month of healthcare jobs  
hold the front page!!

zero jobs growth over a full year
2% GDP for the entire year.
1.4% in the final quarter  
inflation at 3%.

what happened to 5% GDP son?


for context, the worst president in recent history delivered  in 2024
higher GDP growth 
1m new jobs

Well we dig have a giant hole to dig out from. The fact that you are so impatient for a turn around tells me everything I need to know.

I know you know you can’t turn an economy around over night, however saying that Investments are pouring in, capex is through the roof private payrolls came in at 170,000 pretty big fucking number. Productivity is taking off, Inflaton way below the Biden’s highs. 

All this with no help from the Fed, imagine that, and of course the axing of Gov’t jobs/bloat and Deportations.

GDP was hit by the collapse in Gov’t spending which is a good thing of course and the Democrats Gov’t shut down.


All stuff anybody would understand except a troll of course. But do carry on mugging yourself.

Gov spending cost about 0.5% in Q4 and was a conscious and self inflicted decision.
Full year growth of 2% is piss poor.
Zero job growth is even worse. Biden created 1m jobs in 2024.
You don’t need to turn around those job numbers or the GDP growth. What you’ve actually done is make it worse.

Your excuses are hilarious, always someone else’s fault isn’t it?

What happened to 5% GDP? What happened to all the jobs they were creating? What happened to no inflation? Or halving electricity costs?

[Nutsin]

Yeh that’s right, the highest legal experts are all ‘dead wrong’. Even the one Trump chose

Minimal growth, zero jobs, persistent inflation……… if only there was a word for that.

You bullshitting again?

Job numbers were a lot higher than expected remember? 4th quarter GDP has been explained and inflation outlook remains positive.

Productivity is up too.

You must do better.

one month of healthcare jobs  
hold the front page!!

zero jobs growth over a full year
2% GDP for the entire year.
1.4% in the final quarter  
inflation at 3%.

what happened to 5% GDP son?


for context, the worst president in recent history delivered  in 2024
higher GDP growth 
1m new jobs

Well we dig have a giant hole to dig out from. The fact that you are so impatient for a turn around tells me everything I need to know.

I know you know you can’t turn an economy around over night, however saying that Investments are pouring in, capex is through the roof private payrolls came in at 170,000 pretty big fucking number. Productivity is taking off, Inflaton way below the Biden’s highs. 

All this with no help from the Fed, imagine that, and of course the axing of Gov’t jobs/bloat and Deportations.

GDP was hit by the collapse in Gov’t spending which is a good thing of course and the Democrats Gov’t shut down.


All stuff anybody would understand except a troll of course. But do carry on mugging yourself.

[only1billybonds]

Yea, Fettermen tells it as he sees it,he isn't blinded by hatred like so many of them are. 

[nychammer]

Anyone see AOC make a complete cսnt of herself in Munich a few days ago. If thats the calibre of the Democrat party election candidates in 2028 then JD has nothing to worry about.

 

Nothing but hate filled attention seekers. AOC should be tits out behind a bar. The only one I respect is John Fetterman who keeps a level head when all around him lose theirs

[goose]

No meltdown, the Supreme Court will have to decide what’s done with the money. I take it the left won’t be flooding the court any longer seeing as they are obviously dead wrong in their dramatic tantrums we have all had to endure these last few years. As usual they were dead wrong, just like their economists who forecast stagflation and President who said he couldn’t close the border or former President who fabricated the Russia collusion hoax.

Fuck me, what a terrible track record.

Yeh that’s right, the highest legal experts are all ‘dead wrong’. Even the one Trump chose

Minimal growth, zero jobs, persistent inflation……… if only there was a word for that.

You bullshitting again?

Job numbers were a lot higher than expected remember? 4th quarter GDP has been explained and inflation outlook remains positive.

Productivity is up too.

You must do better.

one month of healthcare jobs  
hold the front page!!

zero jobs growth over a full year
2% GDP for the entire year.
1.4% in the final quarter  
inflation at 3%.

what happened to 5% GDP son?


for context, the worst president in recent history delivered  in 2024
higher GDP growth 
1m new jobs

[Nutsin]

I’m here with my popcorn to watch your meltdown.
Does winning the war mean having to pay back all that money plus then hitting the US consumer & companies with more tax??

Congrats.

No meltdown, the Supreme Court will have to decide what’s done with the money. I take it the left won’t be flooding the court any longer seeing as they are obviously dead wrong in their dramatic tantrums we have all had to endure these last few years. As usual they were dead wrong, just like their economists who forecast stagflation and President who said he couldn’t close the border or former President who fabricated the Russia collusion hoax.

Fuck me, what a terrible track record.

Yeh that’s right, the highest legal experts are all ‘dead wrong’. Even the one Trump chose

Minimal growth, zero jobs, persistent inflation……… if only there was a word for that.

You bullshitting again?

Job numbers were a lot higher than expected remember? 4th quarter GDP has been explained and inflation outlook remains positive.

Productivity is up too.

You must do better.

[only1billybonds]

Anyone see AOC make a complete cսnt of herself in Munich a few days ago. If thats the calibre of the Democrat party election candidates in 2028 then JD has nothing to worry about.

[goose]

Yep, he’s making a statement to those who want to attack his Tariff policies through the court. He’s basically saying You won the battle but I won the war, now you feel the wrath. 

FAFO.

Now we have to find out what happens on the Tariff money that has already been collected.


I see a gunman was shot and killed last night at Mar A Lago……. Anybody seen Goose?

I’m here with my popcorn to watch your meltdown.
Does winning the war mean having to pay back all that money plus then hitting the US consumer & companies with more tax??

Congrats.

No meltdown, the Supreme Court will have to decide what’s done with the money. I take it the left won’t be flooding the court any longer seeing as they are obviously dead wrong in their dramatic tantrums we have all had to endure these last few years. As usual they were dead wrong, just like their economists who forecast stagflation and President who said he couldn’t close the border or former President who fabricated the Russia collusion hoax.

Fuck me, what a terrible track record.

Yeh that’s right, the highest legal experts are all ‘dead wrong’. Even the one Trump chose

Minimal growth, zero jobs, persistent inflation……… if only there was a word for that.

[Nutsin]

now 15%, fucking orange psychopath cսnt

Yep, he’s making a statement to those who want to attack his Tariff policies through the court. He’s basically saying You won the battle but I won the war, now you feel the wrath. 

FAFO.

Now we have to find out what happens on the Tariff money that has already been collected.


I see a gunman was shot and killed last night at Mar A Lago……. Anybody seen Goose?

I’m here with my popcorn to watch your meltdown.
Does winning the war mean having to pay back all that money plus then hitting the US consumer & companies with more tax??

Congrats.

No meltdown, the Supreme Court will have to decide what’s done with the money. I take it the left won’t be flooding the court any longer seeing as they are obviously dead wrong in their dramatic tantrums we have all had to endure these last few years. As usual they were dead wrong, just like their economists who forecast stagflation and President who said he couldn’t close the border or former President who fabricated the Russia collusion hoax.

Fuck me, what a terrible track record.

[goose]

now 15%, fucking orange psychopath cսnt

Yep, he’s making a statement to those who want to attack his Tariff policies through the court. He’s basically saying You won the battle but I won the war, now you feel the wrath. 

FAFO.

Now we have to find out what happens on the Tariff money that has already been collected.


I see a gunman was shot and killed last night at Mar A Lago……. Anybody seen Goose?

I’m here with my popcorn to watch your meltdown.
Does winning the war mean having to pay back all that money plus then hitting the US consumer & companies with more tax??

Congrats.

[Fauxstralian]

I see 1,800 companies have applied for a refund of these illegal tariffs that they (& US consumers) have been paying
Trump has added more tariffs. More illegal tariffs in contempt of HIS Supreme Court
That will be another law suit
Luckily his dementia will kick in soon & he won’t know he is in jail

[Nutsin]

now 15%, fucking orange psychopath cսnt

Yep, he’s making a statement to those who want to attack his Tariff policies through the court. He’s basically saying You won the battle but I won the war, now you feel the wrath. 

FAFO.

Now we have to find out what happens on the Tariff money that has already been collected.


I see a gunman was shot and killed last night at Mar A Lago……. Anybody seen Goose?

[OK_Guy]

now 15%, fucking orange psychopath cսnt

He's a one-man Muppet Show.

That's now an extra 15% sales tax Americans now have to pay on stuff bought in America. Not you, not me. Just Americans (and those living) in America.

Way to go!

we can mock but there's a but, we pay a standard-rate of 20% VAT, small irrelevant point. 

[,]

It’s almost as if he is being controlled by Putin.