US Politics Thread

[stubbo-admin]

Seems like the main politics thread is becoming a Yankee-Doodle Trump-fest, so maybe scope here to split them out.

Will see if this one gains any traction ..if it does will move over a few of the million posts from our two protagonists from the other thread.

Yee-haaa!

[Massive Attack]

 

and for what? a regime change that won't happen and a nuclear weapon they didnt have and possible didnt even have the capability to build.

You sound like you are talking as one of Irans ministers of foreign affairs.

I’m speaking as someone who believes the intelligence shared by Joe Kent.

Sorry, I made a quick edit to the post before you replied. I'm not sure Joe Kent was aware either of their true capabilities.

[goose]

 

Prices don't scare me off from doing the right thing for the greater good and bigger picture. I always said from the start prices going up is worth paying if it means the world is a safer place. 

That Forsyth makes a good additional point that by neutering Iran, it helps the fight against Russia with Ukraine.

 

and for what? a regime change that won't happen and a nuclear weapon they didnt have and possible didnt even have the capability to build.

You sound like you are talking as one of Irans ministers of foreign affairs.

I’m speaking as someone who believes the intelligence shared by Joe Kent.

[Massive Attack]

 

Did you see the import prices data yesterday? Highest in nearly 4 years.
Those import prices are the precursor to inflation.

It's coming down the track and its not going to be 'temporary'. The economy is the #1 issue that will determind the midterms, and it will not be getting better because of this.

 

Prices don't scare me off from doing the right thing for the greater good and bigger picture. I always said from the start prices going up is worth paying if it means the world is a safer place. 

That Forsyth makes a good additional point that by neutering Iran, it helps the fight against Russia with Ukraine.

 

and for what? a regime change that won't happen and a nuclear weapon they didnt have and possible didnt even have the capability to build.

You sound like you are talking as one of Irans ministers of foreign affairs.


You may believe everything Iran says but even as recently as firing a ballistic missile towards Diego Garcia was (unsurprising to me) revealing in itself to the world how much they lie about their legal military capability with the world now panicking that they can actually hit London.

[Westham67]

Blame the middle east issues on Abraham , oil and gas "The holy land"

 

And Allah and Jesus lol 

Abraham is all books the Bible the Toran and Koran. He predates them all even Moses

[goose]

 

Prices don't scare me off from doing the right thing for the greater good and bigger picture. I always said from the start prices going up is worth paying if it means the world is a safer place. 

That Forsyth makes a good additional point that by neutering Iran, it helps the fight against Russia with Ukraine.

 

Prices may not scare you but absolutely do scare millions of people worldwide.

The price of fertiliser has gone up 40%. This means the most vulnerable countries cannot afford to produce food, or the consumers cannot afford to buy food.

1% increase in global food prices pushes 10m more people into extreme poverty.

and for what? a regime change that won't happen and a nuclear weapon they didnt have and possible didnt even have the capability to build.

Everything scares you cos you're a gutless Eyetie shitbag white flag waving mad mullah mouthpiece 

The only people scared of you joyo son are school age children.
Stay away from those kids son.

now be quiet son - the adults are talking.

[XKhammer]

 

Did you see the import prices data yesterday? Highest in nearly 4 years.
Those import prices are the precursor to inflation.

It's coming down the track and its not going to be 'temporary'. The economy is the #1 issue that will determind the midterms, and it will not be getting better because of this.

 

Prices don't scare me off from doing the right thing for the greater good and bigger picture. I always said from the start prices going up is worth paying if it means the world is a safer place. 

That Forsyth makes a good additional point that by neutering Iran, it helps the fight against Russia with Ukraine.

 

Prices may not scare you but absolutely do scare millions of people worldwide.

The price of fertiliser has gone up 40%. This means the most vulnerable countries cannot afford to produce food, or the consumers cannot afford to buy food.

1% increase in global food prices pushes 10m more people into extreme poverty.

and for what? a regime change that won't happen and a nuclear weapon they didnt have and possible didnt even have the capability to build.

Everything scares you cos you're a gutless Eyetie shitbag white flag waving mad mullah mouthpiece 

[XKhammer]

Blame the middle east issues on Abraham , oil and gas "The holy land"

 

 

And Allah and Jesus lol 

[goose]

They don't need to be yet. They'll soon change their tune once the dust settles then they can have another poll..

 

Did you see the import prices data yesterday? Highest in nearly 4 years.
Those import prices are the precursor to inflation.

It's coming down the track and its not going to be 'temporary'. The economy is the #1 issue that will determind the midterms, and it will not be getting better because of this.

 

Prices don't scare me off from doing the right thing for the greater good and bigger picture. I always said from the start prices going up is worth paying if it means the world is a safer place. 

That Forsyth makes a good additional point that by neutering Iran, it helps the fight against Russia with Ukraine.

 

 

Prices may not scare you but absolutely do scare millions of people worldwide.

The price of fertiliser has gone up 40%. This means the most vulnerable countries cannot afford to produce food, or the consumers cannot afford to buy food.

1% increase in global food prices pushes 10m more people into extreme poverty.

and for what? a regime change that won't happen and a nuclear weapon they didnt have and possible didnt even have the capability to build.

[Westham67]

Blame the middle east issues on Abraham , oil and gas "The holy land"

[XKhammer]

They don't need to be yet. They'll soon change their tune once the dust settles then they can have another poll..

 

Did you see the import prices data yesterday? Highest in nearly 4 years.
Those import prices are the precursor to inflation.

It's coming down the track and its not going to be 'temporary'. The economy is the #1 issue that will determind the midterms, and it will not be getting better because of this.

 

Prices don't scare me off from doing the right thing for the greater good and bigger picture. I always said from the start prices going up is worth paying if it means the world is a safer place. 

That Forsyth makes a good additional point that by neutering Iran, it helps the fight against Russia with Ukraine.

Spot on

[XKhammer]

Yeh give up because it’s a retarded question.

Funny how someone who doesn’t support him jumps in to defend him every time I call him a rapist.

 

You're a fucking idiot and too argumentative going on about British empire etc where I'm talking about the rape and murder of innocents right now in Ukraine and Iran not fucking 100 years ago
l dont defend Trump as he's so unpredictable but do make him right taking out the mad mullahs in Iran who are a danger to the whole world 
I make him 100% wrong with Ukraine 
Don't under cunts like you backing Putin and being mouthpiece for the mad mullahs 
What's you reply going to again???
Nonce,dumb,mamna said shut uppa ys face

 

are you gonna cry joyo son?

you're too stupid to separate 'not wanting a war which impacts everyone' and 'supporting Iran/Russia'.
time and time again the point goes over your head.

stick to your lane (noncing and defending sex pests).

 

 

Wasn't wrong about your predictable reply lol

[Massive Attack]

the American voters don't appear to be onside:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trumps ... 026-03-24/

They don't need to be yet. They'll soon change their tune once the dust settles then they can have another poll..

 

Did you see the import prices data yesterday? Highest in nearly 4 years.
Those import prices are the precursor to inflation.

It's coming down the track and its not going to be 'temporary'. The economy is the #1 issue that will determind the midterms, and it will not be getting better because of this.

 

 

Prices don't scare me off from doing the right thing for the greater good and bigger picture. I always said from the start prices going up is worth paying if it means the world is a safer place. 

That Forsyth makes a good additional point that by neutering Iran, it helps the fight against Russia with Ukraine.

[goose]

I don't support Trump,but you clearly do support Putin and the mad mullahs and don't give a shit about their victims 
Anyway ive given up asking you as the answer if very clear to everyone 

Yeh give up because it’s a retarded question.

Funny how someone who doesn’t support him jumps in to defend him every time I call him a rapist.

 

You're a fucking idiot and too argumentative going on about British empire etc where I'm talking about the rape and murder of innocents right now in Ukraine and Iran not fucking 100 years ago
l dont defend Trump as he's so unpredictable but do make him right taking out the mad mullahs in Iran who are a danger to the whole world 
I make him 100% wrong with Ukraine 
Don't under cunts like you backing Putin and being mouthpiece for the mad mullahs 
What's you reply going to again???
Nonce,dumb,mamna said shut uppa ys face

 

 

are you gonna cry joyo son?

you're too stupid to separate 'not wanting a war which impacts everyone' and 'supporting Iran/Russia'.
time and time again the point goes over your head.

stick to your lane (noncing and defending sex pests).

[XKhammer]

Don't you want the end of the old regime to help liberate the Iranian people and bring around meaningful peace for the region and the wider world after 47 agonising long years of terror?

There isn’t regime change coming. Iran are still firing back.

Putting all those lives at risk isn’t worth it. Not to mention the global repercussions.

It's been proven time and again, you can't win wars in the middle east, they still live in a bygone age, as soon as you think you can leave them too it, it starts again. They are pointless wars from a West perspective. 

But you have to eliminate the ultimate risk?
no?
Nukes?

[XKhammer]

There is probably a mindset among a gaggle of hawks in the US war office thinking along the lines of "Well, a couple of nukes brought the Japanese to heel pretty quickly last time around, so...".

Big difference is that those classed as today's "enemy" would simply see the use of such weaponry as producing martyrdom for them on steroids and probably goad for more and more atom bombs to be dropped.

Of course that could create such a severe virgin shortage that people may actually decide martyrdom is not worth it for themselves...but I doubt it; virginity will simply go onto rinse & repeat.

 

 

Zźzzźzzźźzzz 

[goose]

the American voters don't appear to be onside:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trumps ... 026-03-24/

They don't need to be yet. They'll soon change their tune once the dust settles then they can have another poll..

 

 

Did you see the import prices data yesterday? Highest in nearly 4 years.
Those import prices are the precursor to inflation.

It's coming down the track and its not going to be 'temporary'. The economy is the #1 issue that will determind the midterms, and it will not be getting better because of this.

[XKhammer]

Everyone want peace and live peace 

Good to hear, we are all on the same page then. Good thing we didn't have a defeatist attitude during WWII as well, otherwise we'd all be goose stepping by now. 

If our grandparents had seen how it all panned out, they'd have sided with Hitler. They fought for their families not to end the Third Reich.

Kids today would rather fight for the right to be 81 different genders or for the right for Terrorist led shithole's to be given free reign to do what they want, than stand up for their families.  

Not all kids mate but get your point 

[XKhammer]

Because just like you, the question is fucking stupid.
it’s like me asking you to reference the ills of the British empire every time you criticise Putin - which i wouldn’t do because it’s irrelevant.

No surprises you jump in to defend the sex pest though.

I don't support Trump,but you clearly do support Putin and the mad mullahs and don't give a shit about their victims 
Anyway ive given up asking you as the answer if very clear to everyone 

Yeh give up because it’s a retarded question.

Funny how someone who doesn’t support him jumps in to defend him every time I call him a rapist.

 

 

You're a fucking idiot and too argumentative going on about British empire etc where I'm talking about the rape and murder of innocents right now in Ukraine and Iran not fucking 100 years ago
l dont defend Trump as he's so unpredictable but do make him right taking out the mad mullahs in Iran who are a danger to the whole world 
I make him 100% wrong with Ukraine 
Don't under cunts like you backing Putin and being mouthpiece for the mad mullahs 
What's you reply going to again???
Nonce,dumb,mamna said shut uppa ys face

[Massive Attack]

the American voters don't appear to be onside:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trumps ... 026-03-24/

They don't need to be yet. They'll soon change their tune once the dust settles then they can have another poll..

[goose]

the American voters don't appear to be onside:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trumps ... 026-03-24/

[Massive Attack]

Just clocked this, echoing much of the same viewpoint as I've been trying to say during this war and coming from a former No.10 left wing adviser..

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/chaos-tru ... 5HjdWpN_2/

[Massive Attack]

For sure, and that is for the wider region to grapple with who have a far better understanding of that dynamic. The region will also have to play their part too..

[stubbo]

See where I'm at with the Middle East for a long time is I never believed that Iraq etc would work whilst the head of the beast Irans Regime continued to exist operating it's reign of terror everywhere. Once that is tackled and sufficiently dealt with, then would the wider implications begin to settle down. And I believe Trump and his administration/Pentagon know this, hence the initial extensive ground work laid brokering the Abraham Accords during his 1st term.

What we now see from those middle east allies beginning to side with Trumps aims as they see how reckless the Iranian Regime is behaving that it will likely mean they too turn on them. It's a long game plan but one worth pursuing in conjunction with putting a stop to their Nuclear capability.

And nope, none of this is easy and straightforward but one I feel is worth taking on now they have gone this far. The final piece of the jigsaw will be heavily reliant on the Iranian population choosing their destiny that only they can ultimately choose for themselves. They do that, then the likes of the US and the wider region will support them in toppling the Regime. That happens, then this could well be very significant for all. 

Doing nothing and just allowing the Regime to get their hands on nuclear weapons was not an option. Something had to be done.

Part of the problem is these 'countries' are just made up.  The region is drawn up based on flawed Western understanding way back when.  Iran isn't 'one nation'. Neither is Iraq. Etc.

You have a fanatic religious group intent on expansionism and anti-Western outlook. They not nationalists intent on Iranian dominance.

They don't consider themselves Iranian-first, anymore than the Houtis or Hezbollah consider themselves Lebanese or Yemeni.  Those are not boundaries with any real meaning they recognise.

You have fervent religous ideology that has the perspective that all those of the same set of beliefs are one nation, regardless land borders drawn on a map.

[Massive Attack]

See where I'm at with the Middle East for a long time is I never believed that Iraq etc would work whilst the head of the beast Irans Regime continued to exist operating it's reign of terror everywhere. Once that is tackled and sufficiently dealt with, then would the wider implications begin to settle down. And I believe Trump and his administration/Pentagon know this, hence the initial extensive ground work laid brokering the Abraham Accords during his 1st term.

What we now see from those middle east allies beginning to side with Trumps aims as they see how reckless the Iranian Regime is behaving that it will likely mean they too turn on them. It's a long game plan but one worth pursuing in conjunction with putting a stop to their Nuclear capability.

And nope, none of this is easy and straightforward but one I feel is worth taking on now they have gone this far. The final piece of the jigsaw will be heavily reliant on the Iranian population choosing their destiny that only they can ultimately choose for themselves. They do that, then the likes of the US and the wider region will support them in toppling the Regime. That happens, then this could well be very significant for all. 

Doing nothing and just allowing the Regime to get their hands on nuclear weapons was not an option. Something had to be done.

[Mike Oxsaw]

There is probably a mindset among a gaggle of hawks in the US war office thinking along the lines of "Well, a couple of nukes brought the Japanese to heel pretty quickly last time around, so...".

Big difference is that those classed as today's "enemy" would simply see the use of such weaponry as producing martyrdom for them on steroids and probably goad for more and more atom bombs to be dropped.

Of course that could create such a severe virgin shortage that people may actually decide martyrdom is not worth it for themselves...but I doubt it; virginity will simply go onto rinse & repeat.