US Politics Thread

[stubbo-admin]

Seems like the main politics thread is becoming a Yankee-Doodle Trump-fest, so maybe scope here to split them out.

Will see if this one gains any traction ..if it does will move over a few of the million posts from our two protagonists from the other thread.

Yee-haaa!

[goose]

Fuck me it’s Dumb and Dumber. You both do realize that Trump announced his Tarriffs in April. 8 months he has been molding the new world economy. And you are looking back how far?


Pair of Herbert’s. Ain’t worth my time.

Errrmm looking back from the introduction of tariffs to now, because that’s what you would do if you wanted to know the impact of them.

sounds crazy I know.

Yeah but like I keep saying you gotta look ahead Pal.....You just don't understand.

Have you looked at the data or got carried away with a headline again?

[Nutsin]

Probably won’t wanna talk about this either:
Hi
NY Fed report says Americans pay for almost all of Trump's tariffs - https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ny-fed ... 026-02-12/


tariffs are a tax on US businesses and consumers.

Fuck me it’s Dumb and Dumber. You both do realize that Trump announced his Tarriffs in April. 8 months he has been molding the new world economy. And you are looking back how far?


Pair of Herbert’s. Ain’t worth my time.

Errrmm looking back from the introduction of tariffs to now, because that’s what you would do if you wanted to know the impact of them.

sounds crazy I know.

Yeah but like I keep saying you gotta look ahead Pal.....You just don't understand.

[goose]

Probably won’t wanna talk about this either:
Hi
NY Fed report says Americans pay for almost all of Trump's tariffs - https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ny-fed ... 026-02-12/


tariffs are a tax on US businesses and consumers.

Fuck me it’s Dumb and Dumber. You both do realize that Trump announced his Tarriffs in April. 8 months he has been molding the new world economy. And you are looking back how far?


Pair of Herbert’s. Ain’t worth my time.

Errrmm looking back from the introduction of tariffs to now, because that’s what you would do if you wanted to know the impact of them.

sounds crazy I know.

[Nutsin]

Cha Ching!

more trade more exports!

[Nutsin]

Pam Bondi plays a blinder. DRAINING THE SWAMP!

Just beautiful!
And it’s Epstein related too.

[Nutsin]

Nutsin seems to labour under the misapprehension that anyone gives a fuck about what a rape loving, tin foil hat wearing cսnt like him thinks of them. If Nutsin delusionally looks down on you, you must be on the right track. Would be rather disturbing if the sex case thought you were on his side. 

At least I can say I have never followed you around this forum.

[One Sunny Day]

Nutsin seems to labour under the misapprehension that anyone gives a fuck about what a rape loving, tin foil hat wearing cսnt like him thinks of them. If Nutsin delusionally looks down on you, you must be on the right track. Would be rather disturbing if the sex case thought you were on his side. 

[Nutsin]

Probably won’t wanna talk about this either:
Hi
NY Fed report says Americans pay for almost all of Trump's tariffs - https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ny-fed ... 026-02-12/


tariffs are a tax on US businesses and consumers.

Fuck me it’s Dumb and Dumber. You both do realize that Trump announced his Tarriffs in April. 8 months he has been molding the new world economy. And you are looking back how far?


Pair of Herbert’s. Ain’t worth my time.

[goose]

Probably won’t wanna talk about this either:

NY Fed report says Americans pay for almost all of Trump's tariffs - https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ny-fed ... 026-02-12/


tariffs are a tax on US businesses and consumers.

[MaryMillingtonsGhost]

zero jobs growth in 2025 = market is looking hot lol.
1% real wage growth lol

TBF Goose son, it's still better than the 0.7% increase in average hourly earnings being crowed about in November last year (from Aug '24 thru' Aug '25)
Remember that post Nutsin? The one you couldn't be 'bothered' to respond to?
WINNING.

[Nutsin]

There you go blaming Biden again.
Food prices are up 4% on the year, so 4% higher than under Biden.
I showed you the other day the absolute proof that electricity prices have gone up and are going up. They went up 6.7% in the last year.
Go check the US Energy Info Administration website.
Prices are forecast to continue to rise next year.
Cost of Healthcare went up 6% in 2025.

those are all facts.
that is why people are struggling.

Petrol prices are way down. Rents are falling and tax cuts are kicking in this year, so relax, it’s not as bad as it was and it’s improving and it will continue to improve. Job market is looking hot for Americans, wages are going up, crime is way down, life is getting back to normal. The days of 9 % inflation are over thankfully.


Its a new day! 

zero jobs growth in 2025 = market is looking hot lol.
1% real wage growth lol

It’s 2026, Rome wasn’t built overnight!

There have been plenty of accomplishments to be thankful for.

[goose]

Here’s a news flash cost of living was through the roof with Biden, Rents are starting to come down, energy costs are down, TrumpRX brings drug prices down, crime is way down, No tax on social security helps the elderly, no tax on tips, no tax on OT all kick in this year to help with affordability, but Dems want those tax cuts removed.

As I said Trump is getting shit done, can’t get it all done at once but we are heading in the right direction.

Your silly arguments will tire themselves out in the coming months. None of your posts age well, have you noticed?

There you go blaming Biden again.
Food prices are up 4% on the year, so 4% higher than under Biden.
I showed you the other day the absolute proof that electricity prices have gone up and are going up. They went up 6.7% in the last year.
Go check the US Energy Info Administration website.
Prices are forecast to continue to rise next year.
Cost of Healthcare went up 6% in 2025.

those are all facts.
that is why people are struggling.

Petrol prices are way down. Rents are falling and tax cuts are kicking in this year, so relax, it’s not as bad as it was and it’s improving and it will continue to improve. Job market is looking hot for Americans, wages are going up, crime is way down, life is getting back to normal. The days of 9 % inflation are over thankfully.


Its a new day! 

zero jobs growth in 2025 = market is looking hot lol.
1% real wage growth lol

[Nutsin]

99% of credit card debt did not exist pre-trump. It's revolving credit that is continously taken on and paid off.
that grew in december far ahead of any expectations. but retail spending in the same month was flat, so people are taking on extra debt without any growth coming from that.
on top of that, growing numbers cannot afford to pay that back. why? because of the cost of living.
food has gone up under trump, so has electricity and so has clothing, healthcare etc etc. all the essentials have gone up.

real wage growth in 2025 was 1% across the board, driven by the top 10%.

as for national debt - the accumulation of debt and speed of accumulation is completely in the control of trump. The 10 year yield has gone up under trump.
and he has chosen to make that debt worse this coming year.

Here’s a news flash cost of living was through the roof with Biden, Rents are starting to come down, energy costs are down, TrumpRX brings drug prices down, crime is way down, No tax on social security helps the elderly, no tax on tips, no tax on OT all kick in this year to help with affordability, but Dems want those tax cuts removed.

As I said Trump is getting shit done, can’t get it all done at once but we are heading in the right direction.

Your silly arguments will tire themselves out in the coming months. None of your posts age well, have you noticed?

There you go blaming Biden again.
Food prices are up 4% on the year, so 4% higher than under Biden.
I showed you the other day the absolute proof that electricity prices have gone up and are going up. They went up 6.7% in the last year.
Go check the US Energy Info Administration website.
Prices are forecast to continue to rise next year.
Cost of Healthcare went up 6% in 2025.

those are all facts.
that is why people are struggling.

Petrol prices are way down. Rents are falling and tax cuts are kicking in this year, so relax, it’s not as bad as it was and it’s improving and it will continue to improve. Job market is looking hot for Americans, wages are going up, crime is way down, life is getting back to normal. The days of 9 % inflation are over thankfully.


Its a new day! 

[goose]

99% of that debt occurred before Trump took office. Trump has been telling the Fed to lower rates all year. 

Trump has also proposed capping the extortionate interest rates they charge to 10% but that doesn’t happen over night due to the push back from the banks and the courts.

Wage growth is up, other than a magic wand how do you expect Trump to fix the problem so quickly?

I know he is shockingly succesful so far and has delivered huge wins in so many areas that you think he is a magician but some things take time.

There isn’t a man on earth that could fix all of Biden’s fuck ups in 12 months. But Trump has impressed on so many so far. This one might take a little bit longer, be patient he’s working on it.

99% of credit card debt did not exist pre-trump. It's revolving credit that is continously taken on and paid off.
that grew in december far ahead of any expectations. but retail spending in the same month was flat, so people are taking on extra debt without any growth coming from that.
on top of that, growing numbers cannot afford to pay that back. why? because of the cost of living.
food has gone up under trump, so has electricity and so has clothing, healthcare etc etc. all the essentials have gone up.

real wage growth in 2025 was 1% across the board, driven by the top 10%.

as for national debt - the accumulation of debt and speed of accumulation is completely in the control of trump. The 10 year yield has gone up under trump.
and he has chosen to make that debt worse this coming year.

Here’s a news flash cost of living was through the roof with Biden, Rents are starting to come down, energy costs are down, TrumpRX brings drug prices down, crime is way down, No tax on social security helps the elderly, no tax on tips, no tax on OT all kick in this year to help with affordability, but Dems want those tax cuts removed.

As I said Trump is getting shit done, can’t get it all done at once but we are heading in the right direction.

Your silly arguments will tire themselves out in the coming months. None of your posts age well, have you noticed?

There you go blaming Biden again.
Food prices are up 4% on the year, so 4% higher than under Biden.
I showed you the other day the absolute proof that electricity prices have gone up and are going up. They went up 6.7% in the last year.
Go check the US Energy Info Administration website.
Prices are forecast to continue to rise next year.
Cost of Healthcare went up 6% in 2025.

those are all facts.
that is why people are struggling.

[Nutsin]

Yeh imagine a sitting President being repsonsible for the standard of living in the country he governs?
hilarious.

99% of that debt occurred before Trump took office. Trump has been telling the Fed to lower rates all year. 

Trump has also proposed capping the extortionate interest rates they charge to 10% but that doesn’t happen over night due to the push back from the banks and the courts.

Wage growth is up, other than a magic wand how do you expect Trump to fix the problem so quickly?

I know he is shockingly succesful so far and has delivered huge wins in so many areas that you think he is a magician but some things take time.

There isn’t a man on earth that could fix all of Biden’s fuck ups in 12 months. But Trump has impressed on so many so far. This one might take a little bit longer, be patient he’s working on it.

99% of credit card debt did not exist pre-trump. It's revolving credit that is continously taken on and paid off.
that grew in december far ahead of any expectations. but retail spending in the same month was flat, so people are taking on extra debt without any growth coming from that.
on top of that, growing numbers cannot afford to pay that back. why? because of the cost of living.
food has gone up under trump, so has electricity and so has clothing, healthcare etc etc. all the essentials have gone up.

real wage growth in 2025 was 1% across the board, driven by the top 10%.

as for national debt - the accumulation of debt and speed of accumulation is completely in the control of trump. The 10 year yield has gone up under trump.
and he has chosen to make that debt worse this coming year.

Here’s a news flash cost of living was through the roof with Biden, Rents are starting to come down, energy costs are down, TrumpRX brings drug prices down, crime is way down, No tax on social security helps the elderly, no tax on tips, no tax on OT all kick in this year to help with affordability, but Dems want those tax cuts removed.

As I said Trump is getting shit done, can’t get it all done at once but we are heading in the right direction.

Your silly arguments will tire themselves out in the coming months. None of your posts age well, have you noticed?

[goose]

LOL.

too funny! I didn’t get past the first sentence!

You’re hilarious!

Yeh imagine a sitting President being repsonsible for the standard of living in the country he governs?
hilarious.

99% of that debt occurred before Trump took office. Trump has been telling the Fed to lower rates all year. 

Trump has also proposed capping the extortionate interest rates they charge to 10% but that doesn’t happen over night due to the push back from the banks and the courts.

Wage growth is up, other than a magic wand how do you expect Trump to fix the problem so quickly?

I know he is shockingly succesful so far and has delivered huge wins in so many areas that you think he is a magician but some things take time.

There isn’t a man on earth that could fix all of Biden’s fuck ups in 12 months. But Trump has impressed on so many so far. This one might take a little bit longer, be patient he’s working on it.

99% of credit card debt did not exist pre-trump. It's revolving credit that is continously taken on and paid off.
that grew in december far ahead of any expectations. but retail spending in the same month was flat, so people are taking on extra debt without any growth coming from that.
on top of that, growing numbers cannot afford to pay that back. why? because of the cost of living.
food has gone up under trump, so has electricity and so has clothing, healthcare etc etc. all the essentials have gone up.

real wage growth in 2025 was 1% across the board, driven by the top 10%.

as for national debt - the accumulation of debt and speed of accumulation is completely in the control of trump. The 10 year yield has gone up under trump.
and he has chosen to make that debt worse this coming year.

[Nutsin]

ah yes it's always someone else's fault isn't it.
zero jobs created in 2025 is down to someone else.
persistent inflation is someone else's fault.
cost of living pressures is someone else's fault.
people defaulting on their credit card bills or car loans is someone else's fault.
record levels of national debt and accumalted at a record rate.

why do you think trump has the worst approval rating of any modern day president?
he has been in office over a year, when do the excuses stop?

LOL.

too funny! I didn’t get past the first sentence!

You’re hilarious!

Yeh imagine a sitting President being repsonsible for the standard of living in the country he governs?
hilarious.

99% of that debt occurred before Trump took office. Trump has been telling the Fed to lower rates all year. 

Trump has also proposed capping the extortionate interest rates they charge to 10% but that doesn’t happen over night due to the push back from the banks and the courts.

Wage growth is up, other than a magic wand how do you expect Trump to fix the problem so quickly?

I know he is shockingly succesful so far and has delivered huge wins in so many areas that you think he is a magician but some things take time.

There isn’t a man on earth that could fix all of Biden’s fuck ups in 12 months. But Trump has impressed on so many so far. This one might take a little bit longer, be patient he’s working on it.

[goose]

It tells me it’s not Trumps doing, the problem was there before Trump took office. Would have thought that was obvious. Perhaps if the Fed lowered rates it would help people. Just an idea.


Sounds like another bad case of TDS if you ask me.

ah yes it's always someone else's fault isn't it.
zero jobs created in 2025 is down to someone else.
persistent inflation is someone else's fault.
cost of living pressures is someone else's fault.
people defaulting on their credit card bills or car loans is someone else's fault.
record levels of national debt and accumalted at a record rate.

why do you think trump has the worst approval rating of any modern day president?
he has been in office over a year, when do the excuses stop?

LOL.

too funny! I didn’t get past the first sentence!

You’re hilarious!

Yeh imagine a sitting President being repsonsible for the standard of living in the country he governs?
hilarious.

[Dick Shaftsbury]

It tells me it’s not Trumps doing, the problem was there before Trump took office. Would have thought that was obvious. Perhaps if the Fed lowered rates it would help people. Just an idea.


Sounds like another bad case of TDS if you ask me.

ah yes it's always someone else's fault isn't it.
zero jobs created in 2025 is down to someone else.
persistent inflation is someone else's fault.
cost of living pressures is someone else's fault.
people defaulting on their credit card bills or car loans is someone else's fault.
record levels of national debt and accumalted at a record rate.

why do you think trump has the worst approval rating of any modern day president?
he has been in office over a year, when do the excuses stop?

LOL.

too funny! I didn’t get past the first sentence!

You’re hilarious!

"Fake news", "You're hilarious"

Classic cult member response when confronted with a reasonable question.

[Nutsin]

nobody said credit card debt was new. its the speed of the growth that is important here - 5.5%.
way ahead of any other growth metric.
couple that with the deliquency rate which was the highest in a decade in Q4.

what does that tell you?
there is a large chunk of the population who are going backwards and record stock market numbers, or capital investment in data centres mean nothing to them. this is day to day living on an interest rate of 20%.
they are struggling.

It tells me it’s not Trumps doing, the problem was there before Trump took office. Would have thought that was obvious. Perhaps if the Fed lowered rates it would help people. Just an idea.


Sounds like another bad case of TDS if you ask me.

ah yes it's always someone else's fault isn't it.
zero jobs created in 2025 is down to someone else.
persistent inflation is someone else's fault.
cost of living pressures is someone else's fault.
people defaulting on their credit card bills or car loans is someone else's fault.
record levels of national debt and accumalted at a record rate.

why do you think trump has the worst approval rating of any modern day president?
he has been in office over a year, when do the excuses stop?

LOL.

too funny! I didn’t get past the first sentence!

You’re hilarious!

[goose]

Lol credit card debt is nothing new ffs,read the chart attached numbnuts. 


https://share.google/cafZX4VxMTwwUjt4q

nobody said credit card debt was new. its the speed of the growth that is important here - 5.5%.
way ahead of any other growth metric.
couple that with the deliquency rate which was the highest in a decade in Q4.

what does that tell you?
there is a large chunk of the population who are going backwards and record stock market numbers, or capital investment in data centres mean nothing to them. this is day to day living on an interest rate of 20%.
they are struggling.

It tells me it’s not Trumps doing, the problem was there before Trump took office. Would have thought that was obvious. Perhaps if the Fed lowered rates it would help people. Just an idea.


Sounds like another bad case of TDS if you ask me.

ah yes it's always someone else's fault isn't it.
zero jobs created in 2025 is down to someone else.
persistent inflation is someone else's fault.
cost of living pressures is someone else's fault.
people defaulting on their credit card bills or car loans is someone else's fault.
record levels of national debt and accumalted at a record rate.

why do you think trump has the worst approval rating of any modern day president?
he has been in office over a year, when do the excuses stop?

[Nutsin]

It's not been released yet but you were happy to shout 5% as if it was gospel.
Altanta fed nowcast isn't a forecast at all - as the name suggests its a reflection of the here and now.

the FY GDP we're talking about is 'meh'. 
not the 5% you and trump were talking about, certainly not the 15% he claims will happen.

"off the charts" lol
off which chart? not one that includes 2024 or previous i'm guessing.

i dont think the americans who are forced to buy things on credit, or cannot afford to pay that credit back are laughing.

Lol credit card debt is nothing new ffs,read the chart attached numbnuts. 


https://share.google/cafZX4VxMTwwUjt4q

nobody said credit card debt was new. its the speed of the growth that is important here - 5.5%.
way ahead of any other growth metric.
couple that with the deliquency rate which was the highest in a decade in Q4.

what does that tell you?
there is a large chunk of the population who are going backwards and record stock market numbers, or capital investment in data centres mean nothing to them. this is day to day living on an interest rate of 20%.
they are struggling.

It tells me it’s not Trumps doing, the problem was there before Trump took office. Would have thought that was obvious. Perhaps if the Fed lowered rates it would help people. Just an idea.


Sounds like another bad case of TDS if you ask me.

[goose]

First off The 4th quarter GDP first print hasn’t been released yet.

As I already told you it is the Atlanta Fed who is the benchmark for forecasting GDP numbers, They now estimate the 4th quarter at 3.7% which is still a good print especially when you factor in a ridiculously stupid Democratic driven Gov’t shut down. 3rd quarter revised print came in at 4.4%, I’d say the US economy is doing just fine. As are exports.

All the Jan data is off the charts as I’ve already explained to you.

These GDP prints are far better than you or any of your propaganda economists forecast at the start of the Trump presidency and appear to be continuing to show high growth in spite of the Dems doing whatever they can to slow it down and an unaccomodating Fed.

As I already told you- you’ll pull a Cappy by April.

You’re clutching at straws and the more desperate you get the sillier and the more ignorant you look.

And that will happen!

So retarded to be arguing about this still, you don’t even realize yet just how wrong you are, it’s pure comedy gold.

It's not been released yet but you were happy to shout 5% as if it was gospel.
Altanta fed nowcast isn't a forecast at all - as the name suggests its a reflection of the here and now.

the FY GDP we're talking about is 'meh'. 
not the 5% you and trump were talking about, certainly not the 15% he claims will happen.

"off the charts" lol
off which chart? not one that includes 2024 or previous i'm guessing.

i dont think the americans who are forced to buy things on credit, or cannot afford to pay that credit back are laughing.

Lol credit card debt is nothing new ffs,read the chart attached numbnuts. 


https://share.google/cafZX4VxMTwwUjt4q

nobody said credit card debt was new. its the speed of the growth that is important here - 5.5%.
way ahead of any other growth metric.
couple that with the deliquency rate which was the highest in a decade in Q4.

what does that tell you?
there is a large chunk of the population who are going backwards and record stock market numbers, or capital investment in data centres mean nothing to them. this is day to day living on an interest rate of 20%.
they are struggling.

[Nutsin]

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2026/02/10/for ... -2025.html

worst quarterly earnings in 4 years.

The EPS coming in 32% below consensus was the company's first quarterly miss since 2024 and its worst since a 42% difference when reporting its 2021 fourth-quarter results, according to LSEG.

The earnings miss was largely due to unexpected tariff costs of roughly $900 million

Ford's net tariff impact is expected to be roughly flat year-over-year at $2 billion in 2026


elsewhere - https://www.cnbc.com/2026/02/10/new-yor ... llion.html

Americans ended 2025 more in debt than ever before.

Credit card balances hit a fresh high in the fourth quarter, rising by $44 billion to $1.28 trillion, according to a new report on household debt by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York released Tuesday. That’s a 5.5% jump from a year earlier.

First off The 4th quarter GDP first print hasn’t been released yet.

As I already told you it is the Atlanta Fed who is the benchmark for forecasting GDP numbers, They now estimate the 4th quarter at 3.7% which is still a good print especially when you factor in a ridiculously stupid Democratic driven Gov’t shut down. 3rd quarter revised print came in at 4.4%, I’d say the US economy is doing just fine. As are exports.

All the Jan data is off the charts as I’ve already explained to you.

These GDP prints are far better than you or any of your propaganda economists forecast at the start of the Trump presidency and appear to be continuing to show high growth in spite of the Dems doing whatever they can to slow it down and an unaccomodating Fed.

As I already told you- you’ll pull a Cappy by April.

You’re clutching at straws and the more desperate you get the sillier and the more ignorant you look.

And that will happen!

So retarded to be arguing about this still, you don’t even realize yet just how wrong you are, it’s pure comedy gold.

It's not been released yet but you were happy to shout 5% as if it was gospel.
Altanta fed nowcast isn't a forecast at all - as the name suggests its a reflection of the here and now.

the FY GDP we're talking about is 'meh'. 
not the 5% you and trump were talking about, certainly not the 15% he claims will happen.

"off the charts" lol
off which chart? not one that includes 2024 or previous i'm guessing.

i dont think the americans who are forced to buy things on credit, or cannot afford to pay that credit back are laughing.

Lol credit card debt is nothing new ffs,read the chart attached numbnuts. 


https://share.google/cafZX4VxMTwwUjt4q

[goose]

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2026/02/10/for ... -2025.html

worst quarterly earnings in 4 years.

The EPS coming in 32% below consensus was the company's first quarterly miss since 2024 and its worst since a 42% difference when reporting its 2021 fourth-quarter results, according to LSEG.

The earnings miss was largely due to unexpected tariff costs of roughly $900 million

Ford's net tariff impact is expected to be roughly flat year-over-year at $2 billion in 2026


elsewhere - https://www.cnbc.com/2026/02/10/new-yor ... llion.html

Americans ended 2025 more in debt than ever before.

Credit card balances hit a fresh high in the fourth quarter, rising by $44 billion to $1.28 trillion, according to a new report on household debt by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York released Tuesday. That’s a 5.5% jump from a year earlier.

First off The 4th quarter GDP first print hasn’t been released yet.

As I already told you it is the Atlanta Fed who is the benchmark for forecasting GDP numbers, They now estimate the 4th quarter at 3.7% which is still a good print especially when you factor in a ridiculously stupid Democratic driven Gov’t shut down. 3rd quarter revised print came in at 4.4%, I’d say the US economy is doing just fine. As are exports.

All the Jan data is off the charts as I’ve already explained to you.

These GDP prints are far better than you or any of your propaganda economists forecast at the start of the Trump presidency and appear to be continuing to show high growth in spite of the Dems doing whatever they can to slow it down and an unaccomodating Fed.

As I already told you- you’ll pull a Cappy by April.

You’re clutching at straws and the more desperate you get the sillier and the more ignorant you look.

And that will happen!

So retarded to be arguing about this still, you don’t even realize yet just how wrong you are, it’s pure comedy gold.

It's not been released yet but you were happy to shout 5% as if it was gospel.
Altanta fed nowcast isn't a forecast at all - as the name suggests its a reflection of the here and now.

the FY GDP we're talking about is 'meh'. 
not the 5% you and trump were talking about, certainly not the 15% he claims will happen.

"off the charts" lol
off which chart? not one that includes 2024 or previous i'm guessing.

i dont think the americans who are forced to buy things on credit, or cannot afford to pay that credit back are laughing.