Gianluca Scamacca Gone

[Gary Strodders shank]

"Taking to Twitter, the Italy international wrote: “Dear West Ham. “While my time in London didn’t go the way I had planned, some of my greatest life moments were made here. And for that I’m forever grateful Thank you to the players and staff for making me feel so welcome, and the fans for their continued support. “I will continue to support this fantastic club from home in Italy, and will be keeping in close touch with the lifelong friends I have made whilst in England Thank you for everything, Ciao.”"

[goose]

Calling him and Haller ‘lazy’ is just a lazy stereotype. Mostly done because they aren’t British. Somehow Ings doesn’t get labelled lazy but has suffered the same as the others.

[Mad Dog]

"I blame neither haller, nor scamacca, nor Ings. I used to blame haller for being a lazy cսnt. And frankly both him and scammaca are lazy. But if something happens repeatedly, you've got to look at what the common denominator is. It's moyes playing them completely wrong. Probably the same with vlasic."

[ATHammer]

"Capital man 5.17. ""Buy players that fit his system "" That would be McGuire and nick a three wheeled trolley from Tesco. Surely we are right to want more than that? The system needs to be adapted to 21st century football otherwise disaster beckons. Moyes can't cope with talent or progress so he should go, not the talent."

[Stevethehammer]

"Haller and Scammaca scored goals before joining West ham. Scored a few here huts their numbers dried up, they aren't shit strikers, it's a shit system. Ings has decent numbers in this league aswell, and I think he is the perfect highlight that the system simply doesn't work or is very ineffective at best. Ings Haller and Scammaca are not bad strikers at all."

[ATHammer]

"Watched Poland v France in world cup. Polish manager did a Moyes and managed to make Lewendoski look shit. It isn't the player, it is the system. Scamacca is a good player. Lewendoski doesn't have questions about his ability or attitude. In that game he had a face like a smacked arse. I wonder why?"

[Ron Eff]

"Norflundon 5:04 Sun Aug 6 Well, playing for a team in Sassuolo, who more often than not dominated possession (even against supposedly better opposition), he scored 16 league goals which was what alerted us to him. So that would suggest he fits into a team who play with the ball and allow attacking players to support their striker. Sometimes we have about 28% possession with the wingers supporting the full backs rather than the centre forward. There isn’t a striker in the world who would look good in that set up. No amount of headless chicken runs about would change that. Just as a couple of examples, they had more than 50% possession (sometimes significantly over) against Milan, Inter, Juventus, Roma, Napoli (to varying success in terms of results) but we would never have the audacity to take games to their equivalents. It’s the manager’s system he doesn’t fit rather than modern football. And out manager’s system is the antithesis of modern football."

[Capitol Man]

"Moyes seems to be a successful manager building good counter-attacking sides. It’s when he’s tried to switch to possession football with better players that he falls down. Happened at Man Utd, happened with us. Maybe his coaching changes will help, but if he’s going to be around we should probably buy the players that fit into his system rather than hoping he can change his style of play/"

[Side of Ham]

I don’t think you are considering Norf that to make run after run your team needs to have the ball in their possession this makes even the striker that apparently works in our shit non possession system (Antonio) look like he’s just lumbering….Haaland would simply have nothing to run onto as the other team has the ball….

[Norflundon]

"Eerie I don’t disagree the outcome wouldn’t be different but where I do disagree if Halaand failed because of the managers shortcomings I’m pretty sure fans wouldn’t be discussing if it’s because he’s lazy. Halaand makes run after run after run where he doesn’t get the ball but he just keeps putting the work in. Scamacca doesn’t get the ball and he downs tools. I don’t think you’ll find many people who don’t think he has ability but where somebody like him fits in the modern game I have no idea, I initially thought if he played for a team that played possession based football he’d be a good player but every single team I can think of that play that way also play with a high press which from everything I’ve seen from the fella there is absolutely no way he looks prepared to run about unless he’s got the ball at his feet. He does fuck all work when you don’t have the ball and you simply can’t do that in the prem. I know he didn’t play loads or we didn’t play to his strengths but I can’t think of a single game where I thought he gave his all."

[Alfs]

"Even though I've grown to detest Moyes's tenure, the bloke was a bit mardy from the start. He never seemed to be giving his all, putting himself on the line, getting stuck in, etc. Some players, however good they are, are simply not suited to the Prem - as you need to work your arse off in order to earn your millions. Arnautovic got it in the end and was transformed. Many others can't be bothered. It would be interesting to see the end of massive basics and instead a data led system where you were paid for the effort you put in."

[Manuel]

"Ron Eff 11:22 Sat Aug 5 ''As said earlier, when do we stop blaming the player and start blaming the manager and his tactics?'' Eh? Are you new around here? Moyes has been kopping the blame for pretty much everything for a long time on here now, even this very thread most are blaming Moyes for this not working out, no?"

[Dr Matt]

"So while a £9m loss in footballing terms, in FFP terms a c£4m loss. Be a similar hit on Vlasic, despite a similar £10m or so loss in footballing terms. When coupled to a c£2m FFP profit on Masuaku and a £100m profit on Rice, we can go bat shit crazy this season if we want - cash availability dependent (of which we know there must be a good £40m or so from Rice, Scamacca and Vlasic). If you spread the cash outflow of the spending over let’s say 4 years we can easily spend £160m this Summer. Based on the fact we have Europe and some residual ECL goodwill, it really is now or never. Get it wrong this year and we can still sell 1 or 2 of Paqueta, Soucek or Bowen next Summer to meet FFP requirements. Rice’s sale gives us so much room for manoeuvre as it’s just a £100m profit and £33m of cash in immediately."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Totally agree, Ron. Scamacca is a fine player. But he was never going to fit into any system deployed by Moyes. So we’re now in a position whereby we will likely sell him for a (relative) bargain. Certainly less than we paid. We’re a fucking joke."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Totally agree, Ron. Scamacca is a fine player. But he was never going to fit into any system deployed by Moyes. So we’re now in a position whereby we will likely sell him for a (relative) bargain. Certainly less than we paid. We’re a fucking joke."

[Ron Eff]

"I find the labelling of Scamacca as lazy, lazy in itself. We’re talking about a manager that has only ever had success with one striker in his career, and that was a generational talent in Rooney which even he couldn’t fuck up. He has no idea what to do with a centre forward. Hence he has relied on using Fellaini, Antonio and the like throughout his career. Scamacca tried to drop deep to get himself involved and make things happen, but that’s completely wasted when the wingers are doubling up as full backs most of the time. He’s a player who if you play it to his feet and have Bowen, Benrahma, Fornals, Paqueta etc in the same postcode he’ll show his quality. If you lump it ip to him because he’s 6’5 and expect him to run around like a headless chicken with no support near him, he’ll look shit. Most would. Don’t start with the Kane does ok in a similar system rubbish, he always has Son near him, hence the number of assists they have for each other. As said earlier, when do we stop blaming the player and start blaming the manager and his tactics?"

[Side of Ham]

"Otb, that was what he was getting at imo you have your opinion I have mine. The fact is he left to play better football…."

[Eerie Descent]

"Norflundon 1:19 Sat Aug 5 Norf, I agree with you on a lot of things, but you're off on this for me. If Haaland played for us, what do you think the outcome would be? The best strikers in proper teams never 'bust a gut', that shouldn't be their role. We seem to think that because our current manager can only play with a striker that feeds on scraps, that we should expect every striker we sign runs about like a headless chicken. We've been fooled by the one trick pony manager."

[scott_d]

"threesixty Moyes knows how to do it alright, he just doesn't have the balls to do it from kick off. We need to be 2-3 goals down before Moyes will allow the team to actually be proactive in trying to create and score a goal."

[On The Ball]

"Side of Ham 1:06 Sat Aug 5 He didn't say that at all, He was just saying the right things about his new manager."

[On The Ball]

"Side of Ham 1:06 Sat Aug 5 He didn't say that at all, He was just saying the right things about his new manager."

[threesixty]

Scamaca is an excellent striker. What sets him apart is that he can also score from range. He’s not just some poacher. It’s sad how Moyes just doesn’t know how to commit that extra man forward to make it all work. He’s just too risk averse. I don’t think he used to be as bad as that. He seems to have just settled into us being a very non attacking team.

[Side of Ham]

They don’t have the pace to run the channels….that’s a fact not an excuse…they know their strengths and pace isn’t it….they lay it off to those type of player that is expected to run the wings like Bowen & Benrahma but most the time they are not willing to be pulled out of shape as it pisses off the manager….I’d give you a couple of months and you’d be pissed Norf…..trying to beat the oppositions defence single handedly for most the time….

[Norflundon]

"Side I‚Äôm sorry but that‚Äôs just bullshit excuses, Harry Kane is a technical player and spuds played in a similar way to us under both Mourinho and Conte but he works his bollox off. Mainly because that what top players do but also because he‚Äôs not a stroppy selfish cսnt Moyes has a lot to answer for and we certainly didn‚Äôt play to either players strengths but nobody can say either player gave it his all so you can‚Äôt blame it all on the manager when players can‚Äôt do the simple things like try their best"

[Manuel]

"Norf - Yep, I think it's a bit of both here why it hasn't worked out. My memory of him playing for us is a bit foggy as he hasn't played much and don't remember much special from him. He is rather slow though and his record suggests he isn't clinical in front of goal, certainly not a natural goalscorer. As for banging them in in Italy, I'm not convinced. but time will tell, and will stick me neck out and say he will NOT be leading Italy's line at the Euro's next summer."

[Side of Ham]

"They are established technical strikers North, for me this is why they don't bust a gut for scraps and those Moyes has converted to be a striker do, they are glad to have the opportunity whereas established strikers have pretty well made their reputations on what their strengths are, this is why they think they are wanted. Moyes's set up is not to attack and create numerous chances why should a striker with a certain set of skills to score goals from attack minded formations bust a gut for scraps involving being basically a battering ram which they are not? Both of them are tall and lacking pace.....a sportsman knows what's out of his remit and then knows wherever they place themselves in a Moyes set ups it's highly likely not to be a clear cut chance even if they bust a gut to get there."