Hamas attack Israel

[claret on my shirt]

"Or should i say they are attacking to get THEIR land back. Good luck to them. The World will watch and do nothing to help them as they always do, shame on us."

[claret on my shirt]

"When i posted i did not know they had shot all the party goers at random, thats evil beyond believe"

[MaryMillingtonsGhost]

"Hammer and Pickle 9:50 I think the governing body in Gaza should work to minimise the suffering and the reaction. And how exactly would they 'minimise' the suffering? Also, who's suffering are they attempting to minimise? If it's the suffering of the family's of the poor sods mown down in cold blood whilst attending a festival, I'm not too sure a 'sorry, we pretty-promise it won't happen again' would suffice. If however it's the suffering of the residents of Gaza, Hamas obviously didn't give a shit about them when they carried out said massacre. They obviously knew there'd be a reaction from Israel. So my question to you is, in YOUR opinion how would the governing body in Gaza 'minimise the suffering and the reaction'? Before your usual pithy response, I'd say they can't. It's impossible. They've reaped what they've sown. Historically it's quite possibly both sides have, in some respect."

[Mad Dog]

"Hamas target innocent civilians. Look at that festival for one example. Then hide behind innocent people. Especially when Firing rockets at Israel Israel are by no means innocent. In fact theres lots that abhorent about them, but i know which side of this I'm on. And it's not the one committing or cheering on terroririst acts."

[Mad Dog]

"Hamas target innocent civilians. Look at that festival for one example. Then hide behind innocent people. Especially when Firing rockets at Israel Israel are by no means innocent. In fact theres lots that abhorent about them, but i know which side of this I'm on. And it's not the one committing or cheering on terroririst acts."

[riosleftsock]

"Pickle here's the piece from the Beeb The European Commission has announced that it’s suspending all its longer-term development funding to the Palestinian territories. The EU is the largest donor to the Palestinians, spending about €691m (£600m; $728m) in aid. Commissioner Oliver Varhelyi said all payments are immediately suspended, all projects put under review, and all new budget proposals postponed. ""The scale of terror and brutality against Israel and its people is a turning point,"" Varhelyi said. “Incitement to hatred, violence and glorification of terror have poisoned the minds of too many. We need action and we need it now."" These are quite strong words from the European Commission – an institution that usually opts for more diplomatic language and prefers to leave tough political statements to individual member states. The speed of such a move is also significant: decisions like this normally take longer for the EU institutions, as they represent 27 different countries with a wide variety of political views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Later on Monday Janez Lenarčič, European Commissioner responsible for emergency aid, clarified the EU would continue emergency humanitarian aid to the Palestinians ‘as long as needed’ in response to the conflict and said ‘it is imperative to protect civilians and respect international humanitarian law’. Its worth bearing in mind that Egypt has 2 border crossings into Gaza, despite Rafah being closed for a short while due to a bombing attack nearby, both are now open, so Egypt can funnel supplies into Gaza still."

[Hammer and Pickle]

I hope the EU is working hard to forestall the impending humanitarian crisis if the civilian population is forced to flee Gaza

[solidbond]

"Goose : Yer plenty, wouldn’t of said it otherwise."

[riosleftsock]

The EU has just announced the suspension of all long term funding to the Palestinian territories. They are the biggest single donor to Palestinian territories. Is that a humanitarian crisis? Al-Qassam (the armed wing of Hamas) have just announced they will start executing the hostages they hold for each bombing in gaza. Should we feed Al-Qassam?

[Hammer and Pickle]

"A referendum to gain a mandate to forestall a humanitarian crisis in Gaza? Why not? After all, the Israeli regime would campaign to make it as bad as possible, wouldn’t it."

[Mike Oxsaw]

"goose 8:37 Mon Oct 9 I hope her clearly beloved social media tear her a new arse. That is low, even considering it's a Daily Mail-set bar. Is this the type of mindset of a person we want working in our NHS?"

[goose]

solidbond 9:11 Mon Oct 9 Re: Hamas attack Israel Goose: Israel special forces are child murdering bastards. Maybe. I’m sure you’ve lots of evidence to back this up?

[riosleftsock]

The democratically elected government of Israel has to operate according to the mandate given to its by its electorate. That's how government has traditionally worked. Perhaps they could hold a referendum as to whether they wish to supply the terrorist government in Gaza with the very supplies that the terrorist govt of Gaza has failed to do?

[southwoodford]

I think they should flatten Gaza and go after those brave Hamas leaders giving orders from a safe distance. That would be a 'proportional response' in my opinion.

[Hammer and Pickle]

I think the governing body in Gaza should work to minimise the suffering and the reaction. What do you think the Israeli regime should do?

[riosleftsock]

That's obvious Pickle. What do you think the governing body in Gaza should do about it?

[Hammer and Pickle]

I think we can all foresee a serious humanitarian crisis unless supplies are restored forthwith. Problem is the political entities that welcome the suffering and the reaction that a tide of displaced persons brings.

[riosleftsock]

"Regarding shutting supplies off to Gaza, do you think this was unforseen? Up to 2005 Gaza produced food aplenty from the many farms, greenhouse/polytunnel farms, vineyards, agriculture and livestock. They could have had desalination plants and used the water from the med as well as the runoff from the hills to the east and north. They have their own 60Mwh power plant and have access to gas and oil (if they can provide a secure and stable government to encourage foreign investment to produce and refine) Knowing that this action would immediately follow such an action, was it wise? Maybe Hamas should have stockpiled supplies for its people if they cared about them?"

[Hammer and Pickle]

"You can rest assured the family and friends enjoy all the medical support they might require, and rightly so."

[twoleftfeet]

That Dr should be introduced to the family and friends of the UK citizens killed in Israel and then left with them in a locked room for a few hours.

[Hammer and Pickle]

So the Israeli regime has cut off all food and water supplies to Gaza. This will of course displace hundreds of thousands of desperate people unless supplies are restored in days if not hours. But maximising the suffering and reaction is of course is the nutjobs’ game.

[solidbond]

Goose: Israel special forces are child murdering bastards.

[riosleftsock]

"Andy Its quite difficult to blame Gazans for voting for Hamas, there isn't really any choice. Fatah leaders were murdered, threatened or expelled previously. But you're right, there is nowhere for them to go and its incredibly difficult for the ordinary people there. But remember, they are brainwashed from kindergarten to hate and kill Israelis sadly. As far as attacking Iran goes, Israel doesn't have the capacity for an effective attack on Iran, it would be nigh impossible for Israel to get its army there. on the other hand, Iran could attack Israel by land and air through Lebanon and Syria. As far as Saudi and Iran, they are both virtually members of Brics and were being rehabilitated by China and Russia, so its in US interests to drive the wedge back in."

[Capitol Man]

"The trouble with Benni's hardline approach is that it removes any hope for some sort of decent future for the Palestinians, just a gradual eviction from Gaza and the West Bank. Never looked as though there is an actual solution here. Whenever you get some degree of stability one set of extremists or other does something to fuck it all up. I don't think this escalates to Iran, for now at least, though it will be interesting to see what Netanyahu says soon. Certainly think they will want to settle this threat down before opening a widening conflict."

[threesixty]

"The other issue is geographically, where do the Palestinians in Gaza go? The land is blockaded. They can only go as refugees to Egypt who aren't going to have that. 2 million people! So unlike the Azerbaijan thing, they can't just all go to another country. It's madness, what they've allowed Hamas to do in their name by voting them in. It's like giving someone your own death warrant to sign. I was going to post earlier but I think others have indicated that this gives Israel all the excuse they need for a full on attack of Iran. And given that the USA is spending money trying to beat up Russia in Ukraine, and Iran is supplying Russia, this is very 2 birds with one stone right now. For Israel I would ask, what is the point of killing people who know that you're going to kill them and have done this anyway? It's not going to change much for you. It will not make you safer in the long term at least. Now, attacking Iran actually will make you (and lots of other regions safer, Ukraine maybe, Saudi's would be very happy considering how they were done in Yemen). Without a serious negotiating position (of which Hamas have none apart from I want you all dead) this thing could really escalate to utter madness. It's not like Israel has a leader who is a bit soft at the moment either. Pretty worrying. Will actually make Ukraine appear like a quaint dinner party if Iran and Israel go to war."

[threesixty]

"The other issue is geographically, where do the Palestinians in Gaza go? The land is blockaded. They can only go as refugees to Egypt who aren't going to have that. 2 million people! So unlike the Azerbaijan thing, they can't just all go to another country. It's madness, what they've allowed Hamas to do in their name by voting them in. It's like giving someone your own death warrant to sign. I was going to post earlier but I think others have indicated that this gives Israel all the excuse they need for a full on attack of Iran. And given that the USA is spending money trying to beat up Russia in Ukraine, and Iran is supplying Russia, this is very 2 birds with one stone right now. For Israel I would ask, what is the point of killing people who know that you're going to kill them and have done this anyway? It's not going to change much for you. It will not make you safer in the long term at least. Now, attacking Iran actually will make you (and lots of other regions safer, Ukraine maybe, Saudi's would be very happy considering how they were done in Yemen). Without a serious negotiating position (of which Hamas have none apart from I want you all dead) this thing could really escalate to utter madness. It's not like Israel has a leader who is a bit soft at the moment either. Pretty worrying. Will actually make Ukraine appear like a quaint dinner party if Iran and Israel go to war."