General Election - July 2024

[twoleftfeet]

This appears to be the rumour on Sky. An easy win for Starmer and some big names losing their seats. The Country needs a change but is it going to get one? The thought of seeing that annoying Beth Rigby for 6 weeks though is a horrifying thought.

[threesixty]

"Stewie, Feels really oversimplified that breakdown. From the figures surface provided of the economical inactive only 3m (the sick) are not contributing to our economy. Home makers contribute by supporting their partners work. Students will eventually contribute that’s why we teach them etc I personally don’t think the welfare state is crippling us at all. I just see a tremendous amount of money spent on bullshit and terrible procurement policies. Paying excessive amounts for consultants in the nhs rather than nurses and doctors etc Spending billions on PPE, track and trace etc. just badly spent money. Also, low rates for years has completely canned our society. If you look at what Garry Economics has to say we generally have injected tons of money into society that has been hoovered up by the rich and has inflated assets ridiculously. So we now have people paying stupid money for rent or housing and don’t have anything like the salaries needed to pay for this unlike in other countries. The idea that it’s anything but terrible fiscal and monetary policies by govt is just folly. And Rishi is nowhere near a centralist. My gawd.centralist policies are just not about finance. They are about social and governance also. Just because you think free trade and globalisation is good does not make you a centralist. ."

[Fauxstralian]

Don’t know the numbers but understand that ‘long term sick’ number has rocketed since COVID Some may be sick even from the after effects of COVID but it’s thought a lot didn’t fancy working again after furlough or lounging at home for 2 years

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/economicinactivity/datasets/economicinactivitybyreasonnotseasonallyadjustedinac01nsa

[Darlo Debs]

Are these ONS figures?

[Darlo Debs]

Thank you .

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Students - 2.6m Home-makers 1.7m Temp sick 0.2m Long term sick - 2.8m Retired 1.1m Others - 1.0m

[Darlo Debs]

"Stew, a question, not a criticism but do you have a breakdown of this number of working age but economically inactive people? How many for example have had to give up work to ve unpaid carers? How many have taken early retirement? How many are not well enough to work until they have had scheduled operations but are stuck on waiting lists?"

[stewie griffin]

"On that piece, we're 100% agreed, sven... the baby boomers take the piss. 360 - seriously? High taxes, tge state having more influence and more control over our lives than at any point in history? ALL of the covid policies? All of it is inherently socialist. I realise there's been a somewhat successful redefinition of the political spectrum, but sunak is a globalist centrist by any measure. As to the point you make on immigrants and workshy... didn't mention either... those are your terms, not mine. It's basic maths that I'll repeat for the 3rd time on this thread. Uk population is 68 million 33 million people in employment 1.4 million unemployed and looking for work 9.2 million economically inactive The rest...roughly 24.4 million...are dependents So, you have 33 million people paying for 68 million people. It's broadly irrelevant whether you think they're immigrants, workshy, a quirk of fate, or just bad luck... its not hard to figure out that you're going to be paying high taxes."

[Fauxstralian]

I’m in favour of young people In favour of them getting education & getting to the upper limits of their ability Just feel a lot are starting with a foot on their head (not the junior Sunaks as Mum & Dad are worth £120m more than a year ago) with study debt looking at houses costing £500k in many cases. While triple lock pension oldsters sit in houses they paid £50k for complaining about not getting NI cuts. Because they don’t pay it in the first place!

[threesixty]

"stewie Why isn't Rishi a true conservative? Did I miss something? He has presided over more right wing policies than even Thatcher did. I see nothing even veering remotely left with Sunak. Also, isn't the current tax burden full of Covid borrowing, Brexit borrowing and other things as well? I find the incessant ""immigrants and the workshy"" make the country poor stuff just some basic and dumb nowadays. We'e already had the bedroom tax and various other Tory initiates that put so many people on their knees, and yet people want more blood? How about the tremendous amount of money spunked on things like Michelle Mone PPE equipment (I'm sure there's some type of joke in there) and Truss bullshit that tanked our economy? 14yrs of unforced errors is all I can say about the Tories. Even cynical me would never imagine the Tories to be this incompetent financially. I always knew they were b'stards, but I never had them as incompetent. They cant even get being evil right! when are those Rwanda planes going again?? At 1.5m a person as well.. how many playing fields, operations etc could that pay for? Its mental."

[stewie griffin]

"We have low unemployment at 1.5 million. There are, however, 9.2 million economically inactive people - I.e. people of working age who are not in work nor are looking for work. That's why the tax burden is at its highest since the 70s"

[zebthecat]

We have very low unemployment now Stewie. Nothing compared the 80s and early 90s under Thatcher (who pissed away our oil revenue to finance it) and Major.

[stewie griffin]

"Sven - you appear to be about 10 years out of date. Approximately 50% of UK employers have dropped the degree requirement from.job adverts. No one cares anymore. For all the reasons I cited, and many many more. Let's get it right, the spike in house prices happened to the generation that are working now. Most peoples parents on here probably bought their place for 50k tops, and now worth minimally 10 times that. There hasn't been anything like that multiple occur since, so quite why it should be any harder for this generation than ours is beyond me. You're part of this bizarre cult of relentless negativity and telling kids that they're existence is hopeless. From the same cloth as these race baiting idiots who spend their lives with their feet on people's heads by claiming that the societal odds are stacked against them from birth. What do you gain by keeping people down? Must be something. I know what the rest of your ilk gain from it, but what do you gain? Truth is, the same things are true that have always been true. Prioritise being good at something over being 'cool' or 'popular', work hard, and the results will come. And most of all, don't listen to the people whose sole purpose in life is to keep you down. Despite our issues, this remains one of the best places to.live in the world - the opportunities are endless and we are probably tye most tolerant country on the planet. The biggest problem facing people - including young people - who make good choices and work hard, is the punitive tax levels that they have to pay for those who don't."

[stewie griffin]

"Sven - you appear to be about 10 years out of date. Approximately 50% of UK employers have dropped the degree requirement from.job adverts. No one cares anymore. For all the reasons I cited, and many many more. Let's get it right, the spike in house prices happened to the generation that are working now. Most peoples parents on here probably bought their place for 50k tops, and now worth minimally 10 times that. There hasn't been anything like that multiple occur since, so quite why it should be any harder for this generation than ours is beyond me. You're part of this bizarre cult of relentless negativity and telling kids that they're existence is hopeless. From the same cloth as these race baiting idiots who spend their lives with their feet on people's heads by claiming that the societal odds are stacked against them from birth. What do you gain by keeping people down? Must be something. I know what the rest of your ilk gain from it, but what do you gain? Truth is, the same things are true that have always been true. Prioritise being good at something over being 'cool' or 'popular', work hard, and the results will come. And most of all, don't listen to the people whose sole purpose in life is to keep you down. Despite our issues, this remains one of the best places to.live in the world - the opportunities are endless and we are probably tye most tolerant country on the planet. The biggest problem facing people - including young people - who make good choices and work hard, is the punitive tax levels that they have to pay for those who don't."

[zebthecat]

"""There'll be plenty who can buy a house, to be fair. "" Only those who use the bank of Mum and Dad. Pretty sure that Rishi Sunak's daughters will have no issues with getting their feet on the property ladder. I agree with you on some graduates especially those with PPE degree from Oxford.They should be disbarred from ever holding public office for starters."

[only1billybonds]

"Griff. Did any particular poster spring to mind when you posted that? (-; Far to many kids are going to Uni, leaving with a mountain of debt and a degree that is worth less than bog roll. Education Education Education. Another of Bairs wonderful ideas."

[ForeverHammers]

Zeb from surveys it has some support from ages 25 upwards increasing through to strongest support 65+. So while I get your point I don't think it is totally opposed by those much younger than you my think.

[Fauxstralian]

Stay humble? Ha ha And cut out the avocado on toast So in 2024 we are advising youngsters to AVOID further education?

[stewie griffin]

"There'll be plenty who can buy a house, to be fair. Almost certainly the ones who don't spend too long in an education system that churns out entitled, overqualified, illiterate fucktards with no concept of anything at all outside their own ego. The ones who stay humble and work hard will be just fine."

[zebthecat]

I am increasingly convinced that Rishi Sunak is deliberately trying to lose the general election given the recent brainless policy announcements. Slashing taxes for the well off and the return National Service might appeal to the 70+ demographic a bit but nobody else will be enthused. I am not a fan of slave armies.

[Fauxstralian]

Given 18yo’s will never be able to buy a house & have 10’s of thousands of £ in study debt it might not be a bad thing to learn how to shoot a gun or kill a person with their bare hands Then they can murder their smug parents & get their hands on their million pound house & save having to pay care home fees To avoid suspicion they can swap parents to murder with their friends Simples

[stewie griffin]

"Fifth - thats fair, and I'll admit having looked that it was various advisers and former cabinet ministers who blew the whistle on blairs lies, rather than them doing it themselves. Still... the point remains. Its what Labour do. Same as its what the tories do to redraw boundaries to favour themselves. The 16/17 year old voting thing is just another example of it. No better or worse than sunak lying about believing in bringing back national service. Of course he doesn't, but having been a complete traitor to his core vote over many years, he's just trying to say something to get some of them back. Can't believe we have to suffer through 2 months of this horse shit."

[Side of Ham]

"Don’t bash the kids too much, a vast majority won’t be able to afford ‘buying in their community’ so are from a young age facing up to the fact it’s mum or dad’s crib or moving to another community likely to be a shit hole if they can just about afford the extortionate rents. Their investment into anything is looking dodgy from the start even their degrees they are encouraged to take."

[Iron Duke]

"Sunak says the National Service would be one year with the military, or one weekend a month volunteering. So instead of getting a weekend job to get some extra income, 18-year olds can work for nothing. At the same time they can rack up £50k in student debts if they want to go to further education. I’m not totally against the idea of national service, but at least give them something for it. How about getting their university fees paid, or a guaranteed apprenticeship?"

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