The war in Ukraine

[Barty]

"I miss the ""is putin about to make a big mistake"" thread"

[Northern Sold]

Sockski... you seen 20 days in Mariupol doc?? Trying to see where exactly those military installations are when maternity hospitals gets flattened.... or all those other residential buildings that get targeted?? Hardly the frontline is it with?? Just a carry on from Ivan 's tactics from Aleppo... and every other war they have been involved in. Anyway keep banging that drum... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H_Fg_5x4ME

[riosleftsock]

"Facts are very inconvenient. You can search for the numbers of civilian deaths quite easily. Reuters had a piece near the end of November last year stating that over 10,000 civilians had been killed so far since Feb 2022 (22 months) and a number of those (iirc its about 40%) were killed by Ukrainian weapons. Whereas in just the first three months of operations in Gaza approx 23,000 have been killed. No civilian deaths are really acceptable, but they are almost unavoidable in war, especially if military installations are sited in residential areas."

[Hammer and Pickle]

"More disgusting gaslighting there from Spambottroll2 there. The facts are that the Kremlin is using its full capacity to inflict as many civilian casualties as it possibly can. The daily death toll in Ukraine is of course widely reported, as is the Kremlin’s reliance on supplies from Iran and no, increasingly, North Korea."

[Lee Trundle]

"Who's ignored that joyo? Posters usernames, with proof of this by a C&P of the post, or it never happened and you made it up."

[Hammer and Pickle]

"Of course I don’t “look away” when Ukraine successfully hits targets inside the Russian Federation. It is an important signal that the Kremlin cannot hope to hit Ukrainian targets with impunity and is a perfectly justified form of retaliation, however asymmetrical it may be."

[riosleftsock]

"joyo In reality, its unlikely either side is deliberately or exclusively targetting civilians. If they were, there would be hundreds of thousands or millions of dead civilians, but civilian casualties are surprisingly low, compared to say the US Gulf War 2 strikes in Iraq where over 500,000 were estimated to have been killed, or 'NATO' strikes in Libya. I'd hazard a guess that civilian deaths from airstrikes in Serbia were possibly higher than in Ukraine. It doesn't help when one side places military infrastructure inside or adjacent to civilian buildings as they become legitimate targets."

[joyo]

"Ukraine tends to aim its missiles at military targets,Russia deliberately targets civilians and non military institutions It's very clear who started this war and is committing the vast majority of war crimes yet still you get the usual suspects/ Putin apologists on here ignoring the very clear evidence of this"

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

Not distorting any facts. It’s the opposite. I posted facts. You desperately looked for a way to paint a positive narrative for one side. As you’re a shill.

[Hammer and Pickle]

Of course there is no symmetry when it comes to targeting civilians between the two sides in this conflict. You just have to distort these facts because you are Spambottroll3.

[Dwight Van Mann]

Pickle compiled a dossier to have Jacob Rees-Mogg put in prison along with Nigel Farage and any WHOer that voted Brexit. Alcoholism has destroyed Pickle.

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

‘symmetry’ The same rationale you used to excuse Ukraine of blowing up Russian civilians.

[Hammer and Pickle]

"Yes, any kind of symmetry between these cases and what is going on in the Russian Federation and Belarus is pathetic, rampant whataboutery."

[riosleftsock]

"Pwoper The Gonzalo Lira story has been posted up here before, Pickle is ok with killing journalists, and will respond with some whataboutery about journalists in Russia. He has repeatedly failed to explain how another journalist, Pablo Gonzalez has been jailed by the Polish government (last time I checked it was 18 months without charge or any evidence being produced)."

[Lee Trundle]

"Fox News, Hamas & Pickled? Imagine a few years ago if I told you you'd be using Fox News as your go to news source. What do you think you would have replied to me back then?"

[PwoperNaughtyButNot]

"Pickle if you looked a bit further than fox news you would be able to see that Lira had already made claims about being tortured when arrested and the reason he was fleeing the country was because he had been told he would die if he ended up back in their jail. roll on a couple of months and after he unsuccessfully tries to flee the country, he gets put back in jail and true to their word - he is dead sounds justified"

[goose]

so you agree with him being jailed for saying those things then Pickle?

[Hammer and Pickle]

Here’s the basic story without the bullshit spin https://www.foxnews.com/world/american-filmmaker-arrested-jailed-spreading-pro-russia-propaganda-dies-ukrainian-prison.amp

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

"It’s ok when the ‘good guys’ do it, Pwop. Like trying to imprison a political opponent."

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

"It’s ok when the ‘good guys’ do it, Pwop. Like trying to imprison a political opponent."

[PwoperNaughtyButNot]

"US film maker arrested for daring to question Zelensky - tries to leave the country when on bail - put back in prison and murdered in jail. How does that sit with you Pickle, joyo, capital man etc? You comfortable with journalists being killed if they dare question Zelesnky ? Just trying to get my head around your version of righteousness."

[Hammer and Pickle]

"Trump, together with the moral titans in the GOP are simply using the resentments of millions whose lives are pretty shit. They have been lead to believe they can get their own back if they elect Trump for another term and they are about to be very, very disappointed whatever happens. Meanwhile the US geopolitical position won’t change so a prosperous, well-integrated Europe of sovereign democracies that cooperates with a strong, prosperous US will always be in the US interest while the US will always be in conflict with the Kremlin while it is in thrall of criminals and the former KGB. Trump is just a returning case of thrush."

[Lee Trundle]

"Cheezey Bell-End 5:05 Wed Jan 17 ""Plenty of people want to see the USA collapse"" Not sure the citizens of the USA want to see that. That's why Bidens approval rating is an all time low, even lower than the big baddie Trump."

[joyo]

"ITV had a good documentary last night about the return of Trump,was very balanced about Trump,but did bring up problems about Biden(too fucking old) and very worrying is its possible the orange Buffoon could be back in the White House If the Democrats do replace Biden( not with Harris!)Trump has no chance"

[Cheezey Bell-End]

Plenty of people want to see the USA collapse . Those people would have enjoyed the ongoing farce of the Trump presidency.

[Lee Trundle]

Are people really so stupid and forgetful to realise the world was in a MUCH better place when Trump was in charge?