The war in Ukraine

[Barty]

"I miss the ""is putin about to make a big mistake"" thread"

[Hammer and Pickle]

"Being brought up in an AUD household clearly hasn’t helped you deal with the truth. But you need to face the facts before you move on. So: You’re very unfunny You’ve got bugger-all to say about the real world You’re always away with the fairies on NHS meds You’re offended by anyone who challenges you to get your act together and Any old tramp has more status than you. It’s a tall order so you’d better get your sorry arse into gear. Come on, chop chop petal."

[Dwight Van Mann]

"Hammer and Pickle 2:57 Thu Jan 25 truth stings doesn't it, son"

[Hammer and Pickle]

ZzzzzzzZZZZZzzzzz

[Dwight Van Mann]

"Hammer and Pickle 2:14 Thu Jan 25 Pickle, mate, you got kicked off the FT comments section for being a ""feared and respected"" columnist!! BWAHAHAHA"

[Hammer and Pickle]

"Oh dear, are you plonkers feeling all upset again? Why don’t you get your act together and read a proper fucking newspaper for a change? This pretence you are all edgy and counter-culture is absolutely rubbish."

[Northern Sold]

So..... * deep breath *.... https://twitter.com/SlavaUk30722777/status/1750154906554785998 Who to believe ... just who to believe???? Does make me laugh ol' fucking misery guts cսnt of a man calling the crash a `Criminal act'... I mean it could be... who knows... they have form... recent as well?? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/05/hand-grenade-explosion-caused-plane-crash-that-killed-wagner-boss-says-putin Oh sorry I got it wrong... SUPPOSEDLY he blew himself and the plane up juggling hand grenades whilst off his nut?? My sister (no 2) is a fantasiser and out right horrendously bad liar that can't keep tabs of the bullshit that she spiels... think I'm gonna give her the nickname of Ivan...

[Dwight Van Mann]

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[Karate Instructor]

"Ah, this website is up and running again. Good-oh. Explains why she and I have stopped hearing the sobbing and scratching at the door outside the bedroom. It was a bit off-putting but I still managed to rock her world."

[Hammer and Pickle]

"What led to the war in Ukraine has been widely discussed in the UK media, Twundle. Why don’t you give us your personal appraisal?"

[Hammer and Pickle]

"What led to the war in Ukraine has been widely discussed in the UK media, Twundle. Why don’t you give us your personal appraisal?"

[Lee Trundle]

"riosleftsock 1:43 Thu Jan 25 ""Do you need Putin to be condemned every time there is a criticism of Ukraine, joyo?"" To be fair to the idiot joyo, that's not exclusive to him. *looks below*"

[Hammer and Pickle]

"“Pretty certain there have been a lot of condemnation of putin on here and across all media, yet very little interest in what led to the war, funny that.” I think Kremlin propaganda has been pretty widely discussed in the free world media."

[joyo]

"Never from you though,warmongering idiot"

[riosleftsock]

"Do you need Putin to be condemned every time there is a criticism of Ukraine, joyo? Pretty certain there have been a lot of condemnation of putin on here and across all media, yet very little interest in what led to the war, funny that."

[joyo]

But no condemnation of Putin who started this illegal war

[riosleftsock]

"Dwight Van Mann 1:19 Thu Jan 25 I disagree, there is not enough evidence for a statement like that. In an ideal world, there should be an unbiased investigation (on behalf of the families who lost loved ones) and a possible investigation into a possible war crime. To be honest, there isn't much point, the UN and International War Crimes Committee are completely owned by interested parties who are incapable of acting fairly and independently. At best this was a horrendous accident, that should lead to apologies, compensation and the removal of officers responsible for the decisions made. If politicians lie or cover up, they should be removed from office and prosecuted as well. Either way, yet more people have been killed unnecessarily. People have lost sons, brothers and fathers for no reason."

[goose]

"More loss of life in war that will drag on until somebody accepts terms that they aren’t happy about. In the meantime loads more will die, tax payers cough up a few more billions and the poorest are exposed to food & energy inflation for the foreseeable."

[Dwight Van Mann]

This should be considered a war crime committed by Ukraine

[riosleftsock]

"Judging by the distance, this was most likely a Patriot or a S-300/400, the range of the IRIS-T would be stretched to cover this distance. We will know in the next day or so. Its a bit odd, because the Ukrainians are saying that there is a lot of military aviation transport in the area, but yet there is a very low incident of these planes being targeted or shot down. I'm guessing its an older IL76 as the latest version has missile decoy systems fitted. But a plane carrying POWs probably wouldn't be deemed to require missile defence as it would have its own IFF system"

[Hammer and Pickle]

"I don’t believe it’s much of a biggie, even for you, Spambottroll3, that they were tricked into killing their own PoW."

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

"Ukraine now blaming Russia for tricking them into killing their own POW's. ""We currently do not have reliable or comprehensive information on who was on board the plane or in what number,"" Ukraine's national intelligence directorate said in a statement, according to the French news agency AFP. It confirmed that a ""prisoner exchange was supposed to take place"" Wednesday, but said ""Ukraine was not informed about the number of vehicles, routes and forms of delivery of prisoners."" ""It is known that prisoners are delivered by air, rail and road. This may indicate deliberate actions by Russia aimed at endangering the lives and safety of prisoners,"" the directorate said in its statement, adding that Ukraine ""was not informed about the need to ensure the security of the airspace in the area around the city of Belgorod at a set time, as has been done many times in the past."" The fact a second plane with 85 more POW's turned back for safety would indicate this is a desperate narrative."

[Mike Oxsaw]

"OK, sock, no arguments with that, but I would have thought that the Russians would have announced (to the world) that the flight was carrying PoW's for transfer so that the Ukrainians would leave it be. Isn't that agreed practice?"

[Hammer and Pickle]

"This is a tragedy but also it means the Kremlin has lost control of Russian air space anything up to within 200km of the Ukrainian border. There are also reports it cannot mass troops for any effective assault without sustaining severe casualties even prior to engaging, suggesting Ukraine had access to highest-level intel and has the means to deliver serious damage."

[riosleftsock]

"Mike The russians detected the launch of two SAM type missiles from Kharkov oblast and named the location of the site. They have a lot of IL76s, have used them for half a century and they have a good safety record. They use them for all transport (people and freight) as well as modified versions for fire-fighting, others for re-fuelling tankers and also for arctic transport and cosmonaut training."

[Mike Oxsaw]

"I get the impression that the Russians have no idea what happened here - their propaganda machine would have used phrases like ""shot down"" rather than ""crashes"" in their reports, whatever the actual cause - even allowing for western media moderation on the news. Ukraine killing some of their own on their way home as part of a prisoner swap is far too good a propaganda story to pass up on. Gut feeling is that the plane just fell out of the sky due to poor maintenance. Did the planned prisoner exchange referred to actually take place or are the 250 Ivans still in the Ukraine?"