The war in Ukraine

[Barty]

"I miss the ""is putin about to make a big mistake"" thread"

[Cheezey Bell-End]

"There's no reason to think that. Ukraine were starved of ammo for months and Russia only crept forward a little bit. Ukraine are getting a fresh supply, and a lot of it, and it includes good stuff that will outgun the Russians. Plus the main aims of the SMO include disarming and ""denazifying"" Ukraine. The former won't happen. The latter is just bullshit for propaganda purposes."

[Nutsin]

Not much longer now until the war is won by Russia and Putin gets everything he wants.

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

Saw this morning Ukranian soldiers from the 68th mechanized infantry brigade are refusing to fight. https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1cen03g/ua_pov_68th_mechanized_brigade_personnel_are/

[riosleftsock]

"BBC Situation on frontline has worsened, Ukraine army chief says By George Wright BBC News Ukraine's commander-in-chief has said the situation on the frontline has worsened in the face of multiple Russian attacks. Oleksandr Syrskyi said Ukrainian forces had withdrawn from positions in the eastern Donetsk region. Russia is trying to take advantage of its superiority in manpower and artillery before Ukrainian forces get much-needed supplies of new US weapons. The US last week agreed a $61bn (£49bn) package of military aid for Ukraine. But new US weapons are yet to make their way to the frontlines, where Ukrainian troops have been struggling for months with a shortage of ammunition, troops and air defences. ""The situation at the front has worsened,"" Gen Syrskyi said in a post on the Telegram messaging service on Sunday. He confirmed Ukrainian forces had withdrawn from some of their positions in an area of Donetsk that had formed part of a defensive line, established after Russia captured Avdiivka in February. Much of the fighting has been taking place around Chasiv Yar, a Kyiv-controlled stronghold which Russia has been trying to reach after seizing Avdiivka. New defensive lines had been taken up further to the west in some areas, with Gen Syrskyi conceding the loss of territory to the advancing Russians. Moscow had secured ""tactical successes in some sectors,"" he said. Gen Syrskyi added that rested Ukrainian brigades were being rotated in those areas to replace units that had suffered losses. Russia's defence ministry earlier on Sunday reported its troops had captured the village of Novobakhmutivka, around 10 km (6 miles) north of Avdiivka. Gen Syrskyi became commander-in-chief of the country's armed forces in February. It followed speculation about a rift between his predecessor, Valerii Zaluzhnyi, and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. Earlier this month, Gen Syrskyi warned the battlefield situation in the east of the country had ""significantly worsened"". The commander of Ukraine's National Guard, Oleksandr Pivnenko, said this week that he was expecting an attempt by Russian forces to advance on Kharkiv, Ukraine's second city, which is near the Russian border. US President Joe Biden this week signed off on a $95bn (£76bn) package of aid for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan after months of gridlock amid opposition to the aid from some in Congress. The Senate passed a similar aid package in February, but a group of conservatives who oppose new Ukraine support had prevented it from coming to a vote in the House of Representatives. On Friday, the Pentagon said it would ""rush"" Patriot air defence missiles and artillery ammunition to Ukraine as part of its new military aid package. Between February 2022 and January 2024, the US gave Ukraine more than $40bn in military aid, according to German research organisation, the Kiel Institute."

[Hammer and Pickle]

"That’s a joke financial breakdown. Or someone has had a mental breakdown doing their sums. Either way, you’ve had a mare on this thread again, SBT2-AG."

[Nutsin]

Funny how they pushed it through before todays god awful economic report.

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

"Nutsin wrote... Re: The war in Ukraine So what happens when this new huge sum of U S Tax payer money is spent? Is that when NATO steps in and declares war on Nuclear Russia? ——— A lot of it is already spent. ‘Subject to revision, initial reports of the composition of the $61 billion indicate $23.2 billion of it will go to pay US arms producers for weapons that have already been produced and delivered to Ukraine. Another $13.8 billion is earmarked to replace weapons from US military stocks that have been produced and are in the process of being shipped—but haven’t as yet—or are additional weapons still to be produced. The breakdown of this latter $13.8 amount is not yet clear in the initial reports. One might generously guess perhaps $10 billion at most represents weapons not yet produced, while $25-$30 billion represents weapons already shipped to Ukraine or in the current shipment pipeline. In total, therefore, weapons already delivered to Ukraine, awaiting shipment, or yet to be produced amount to approximately $37 billion. The remainder of the $61 billion includes $7.8 billion for financial assistance to Ukraine to pay for salaries of government employees through 2024. An additional $11.3 billion to finance current Pentagon operations in Ukraine—which sounds suspiciously like pay for US advisors, mercenaries, special ops, and US forces operating equipment like radars, advanced Patriot missile systems, etc. on the ground. Another $4.7 billion is for miscellaneous expenses, whatever that is. In other words, only $13.8 billion of the $61 billion is for weapons Ukraine doesn’t already have‘"

[Nutsin]

"Cappy Looks like todays GDP numbers are a disaster, low growth and high inflation, just like I said. https://www.marketwatch.com/livecoverage/gdp-report-first-quarter-numbers-expected-to-show-strong-u-s-growth-continuing?mod=home-page"

[Nutsin]

"Pickle, You must have discussed it with the old lady and kids. Do you all know what to do?"

[Hammer and Pickle]

"Never mind about me, SBT1 - consider the GOP, which is now split on Ukraine after Trump tried to peddle it for your divvy vote like a Fentanyl whore. Tell me, which part of US public opinion still buys the crap about US taxpayers' money going to waste pursuing a proxy war with Russia in Ukraine. Have they got any teeth left? Do they even know their own name?"

[Nutsin]

I wonder if Pickle has already plotted an escape from Poland sharpish plan yet?

[Barty]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68872783

[only1billybonds]

Maybe someone will get you a shandy to shut up. Not worked on you has it fourpence?

[Hammer and Pickle]

You are? Good you carry on babbling nonsense to yourself over there in the corner. Maybe someone will get you a shandy to shut up.

[Hammer and Pickle]

You are? Good you carry on babbling nonsense to yourself over there in the corner. Maybe someone will get you a shandy to shut up.

[riosleftsock]

"""The barriers on trade imposed by decades of poor policy will be lifted, the US market will be opened up and international investment will create hundreds of thousands of jobs while inflation is held at bay."" By putting China on the sanctions escalator, stealing sovereign funds, running a multi-trillion dollar deficit, I'm sure this will provide the ideal environment for investment in the US."

[Hammer and Pickle]

"What happens? The GOP is now so split between the remaining sensible members and the Trump nutjobs that it will cease to be able to block sensible policy. The barriers on trade imposed by decades of poor policy will be lifted, the US market will be opened up and international investment will create hundreds of thousands of jobs while inflation is held at bay. With access to normal support, Ukraine can more than hold its own against the Kremlin kleptocracy."

[Nutsin]

So what happens when this new huge sum of U S Tax payer money is spent? Is that when NATO steps in and declares war on Nuclear Russia?

[Capitol Man]

Before the whole absolute power thing went to his head and he decided to stamp his foot and send tens of thousands of Russians to their death.

[riosleftsock]

"Yes, Clinton and Putin got on very well together. Back then, a lot of world leaders got on well with Putin. We had smarter people in charge back then (maybe not Bill Clinton)"

[Hammer and Pickle]

"Yeah, Clinton confirmed it was Kremlin policy to apply for NATO membership. You people really crack me up."

[riosleftsock]

Mike - pretty sure Bill Clinton confirmed this.

[Mike Oxsaw]

Wasn't it reported in the Guardian - the preferred news channel of competent and professional academics - that Putin was enquiring about Russia joining NATO?

[Hammer and Pickle]

You have not presented a single historical justification to support Putin’s invasion of Ukraine as an act of self-defence. Meanwhile you have totally compromised yourself with this nonsense Putin had a policy to join NATO but was rebuffed.

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

"I'm not disputing Putin invaded. Nor am I making excuses or supporting it. I'm pointing out the history that has lead us here and been warned about for decades. One you lot refuse to accept one minute, then justify it the next. * wanker sign *"