This Post Office / Horizon thing

[Far Cough]

"What a load of fucking scumbags the higher ups at the Post Office are. I mean if more than 50 sub postmasters say there's something wrong with the system, you'd take a deep look at it wouldn't you? At least Nijinsky has handed her CBE back then. Cunts"

[jfk]

"Stephen fucking Bradshaw is as Alfs said the definition of purgery. Ruined countless law abiding folks lives ,took pleasure in doing so. I’d have the fucker hung."

[jfk]

"Hope that lying Scouse scumbag Stephen Bradshaw gets he‚Äôs commupence the bully odious cսnt ,took pleasure in sending innocent people to prison and worse the nasty vindictive cսnt."

[northbankboy68]

Oxsaw FFS! The door blew off so ground em. What evidence was given to Blair? You do know that the Hd of the Beeb aka Pravda is a fully paid up member the Tory Party. Corbyn is the real issue right?

[Tomshardware]

"The warning signs were there when a self driving car (much like kitt from Knight rider) was repeatedly seen leaving the crime scene, still the bastards said there was nothing wrong."

[Full Claret Jacket]

There is a lesson here for anyone heralding in the cashless and digital world. Computer systems are not reliable or trustworthy. I've worked on them for years with many big tech companies. There is no such thing as software without bugs. This charade shows that it's possible to lose everything and even be jailed based on the evidence provided by a computer system. Loads of other widespread issues on other government systems in the past which have had lesser consequences than jail but just as stressful for those affected.

[Mike Oxsaw]

"northbankboy68 9:00 Fri Jan 12 OK, so door plugs COULD blow off Boeing 737s but there's no proof that there are any problems with the manufacturing system/process, so let's just roll with it and let the planes fly. Is that the way of modern thinking people these days?"

[northbankboy68]

"Oxsaw There is a world of difference between ""could be"" and ""is""! You need to be able to say exactly what evidence was presented to Blair and at precisely what point in the project. Without this context your Daily Mail shite is meaningless. Check put Private Eye over the last 12 years and you will discover who the real culprits are. Blame Corbyn and the woke lefties like me."

[northbankboy68]

Is Michele Mone still in the House of Lords? Who put her there and was she worthy? It was Corbyn of course.

[Mike Oxsaw]

"northbankboy68, if you believe the BBC, then: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495 ""Sir Tony Blair was warned the Horizon IT system at the centre of the Post Office scandal could be flawed before it was rolled out, a document shows. A handwritten note from the then-Labour PM, published by the public inquiry on Friday, suggests he raised concerns after being warned the system was ""possibly unreliable"". But he said he gave it the go-ahead after being reassured by others. Among them was Peter Mandelson, who was then his trade and industry secretary. ""..."

[Mike Oxsaw]

"northbankboy68, if you believe the BBC, then: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495 ""Sir Tony Blair was warned the Horizon IT system at the centre of the Post Office scandal could be flawed before it was rolled out, a document shows. A handwritten note from the then-Labour PM, published by the public inquiry on Friday, suggests he raised concerns after being warned the system was ""possibly unreliable"". But he said he gave it the go-ahead after being reassured by others. Among them was Peter Mandelson, who was then his trade and industry secretary. ""..."

[northbankboy68]

Blame Corbyn

[northbankboy68]

"Oxsaw, Check your facts."

[northbankboy68]

"..and thank goodness we didn't vote for Milliband or Corbyn. Just think how much worse things would be - according to the Daily Mail, Express and the lumpen proleterariat."

[Mike Oxsaw]

I'm reading now that even Tony Blair was aware that Horizon was fucked/unreliable but decided to continue with the project because the then current government were already balls-deep into Fujitsu and couldn't pull out. No wonder no political battles are being raised over this - they all knew and kept quiet.

[northbankboy68]

"The calibre of leadership in this country is pants. I don't trust the system. We have more Lords in the upper house than there are MEPs representing 27 countries. We are a fucking laughing stock because we vote for this over and over and over again. Thames Water, Grenfell, infected blood, Covid corruption and Enquiry. We are a joke!"

[Northern Sold]

Having dealings with those cunts at Fujitsu most of my adult working life at my old job I can concur that nothing they showed shocked me in the slightest.... absolute vermin... for years we done all our IT in house... for years never a problem... then Fujitsu get the gig to take over... and the rest is rip off history... paid for by the tax payer.

[zico]

"Russ of the BML 12:03 Fri Jan 12 Exactly, I mean if anomalies start showing up after installation of a new system you would think red flag wouldn't you before going out and crucifying innocent people! The Panorama thing suggested that when tested Horizon performed around 7th in the table with other companies that were vying from the contract but the PO chose Horizon because it was the cheapest, you get what you pay for!! Whilst Vennell's is clearly a nasty piece of work there are plenty more people such as Tim Parker, Adam Crozier, Sir Ed Davey and others who are at the centre of this and bonuses paid out of the public purse should be paid back by such individuals and surely there should be a jail cell waiting for some."

[Tomshardware]

"Agreed Russ, absolutely baffling incompetency. Very tragic as 3 or 4 of these victims took their own lives over it."

[,]

"Simply crucifying Vennells would completely miss the point about what had been going on between Fujitsu and the PO prior to her turning up. For years the Horizon system had been knowingly at fault and both parties had been covering it up. The PO top brass by admitting to nothing and Fujitsu by basically running a, keep the Horizon shortcomings secret, section from their basement. At the end of the day though this is not about a computer system that had major faults, rather it’s about how people hid this to the cost of the lives of hundreds of others. At the top of the conspiracy we have a willfully uninformed CEO and at the bottom we have a thuggish, bonus incentivised, debt collector."

[Russ of the BML]

"It's fucking madness. 50 odd sub masters working at the Post offices all saying that the system is at fault. I mean, fuck me, did some big-wig at the PO genuinely think that there was a sudden wave of sub masters stealing money from the PO? And alot of these people were retired local people, single mums, nans, even Parish Cllrs. The Po suddenly think that all these people turn into thieves overnight? Surely anyone with half a brain would go ""Hold on. It never happened when they audited manually. We've put in a new computerised system and its all started."" At that point you'd go in and do the proper investigation of the system. And why were all of these cases being dealt with individually? This was a very clear and obvious one big problem. People have committed suicide. Lost their homes. Livelihoods. Lost their dignity and respect. Been pushed out of towns and villages they lived in for years. Banished as thieves. Head should roll. people deserve jail time. That cսnt gave back her CBE. She should be banged up. And all the cunts below her that pushed for money to be repaid and to convict people who didn't."

[Fauxstralian]

"Seems the government is being run by ITV & have finally been kicked into action How do you work out compensation for people who were jailed & lost their marriages, houses and livelihood. Let alone those that killed themselves"

[Kaiser Zoso]

"There’s a recognised process for building a new computer system and going live, and the PO and Fujitsu have willfully swerved all of it. A system of that size and significance to operations would need to be proven and signed off in parallel to any existing system prior to going live. There is usually a User forum for system issues after implementation. None of that seems to have happened. The comments about the policy of telling users they were the only ones with a problem suggests everyone responsible knew and were complicit in a cover up. As for that scouse prick yesterday — what was he investigating if he drew a blank at any system issues?"

[Cheezey Bell-End]

"I used to work in a post office in south London before there was any kind of computerisation. We longed for a system like this. We used to balance our tills weekly using a paper balance sheet and a pencil. If there was a problem, and I was shit at balancing, they would send someone to audit the till manually. Their whole business is simple transactions. So I don't get why they risked the reputation of the organisation by trusting an obviously flawed system when they could check the numbers manually when things didn't add up. All I can think is that there was backhanders at risk if the system was scrapped."

[mashed in maryland]

These people should all be in prison for decades yet they're given MBEs and the ones who aren't just get shuffled off to other higher management positions and all retire as multimillionaires. If these sorts of stories were told about countries in Africa or Eastern Europe we'd all be scoffing at how corrupt they are and how that sort of thing could never happen here. Clown country

[Mike Oxsaw]

"RBshorty 8:16 Thu Jan 11 It's not just covering their own arses, many in higher management haven't got a fucking clue what they're managing and simply delegate responsibility down the chain of command until it hits the mail room, from where it has nowhere to go. They would greatly benefit from at least 6 months at ""the coal face"". I've been involved in contract negotiations with several people at that level and when I've tried to get a list of requirements from them - what they actually want the IT system they're buying to ""support"" their business - they come back with shit like ""You're the fucking expert, you tell us"", then flounce off in ""an authoritative manner"". On more than one occasion, a CEO bought a multi-million dollar IT system following a single presentation at a trade fair - probably to prove to his peers there that he was all dynamic, forward-thinking and knew his shit. When he announced his decision upon his return, all 8 contractors hired to codify the requirements of said system said stuff along the lines of ""Fucking good luck with that one, boy!"". Three left the same day and the rest followed within a week. Oh, and Fujitsu supply and manage about half the IT systems upon which the UK government relies, so they ain't not never going to be held to account."