If David Moyes leaves West Ham who would you want to replace him?

[Barty]

Thomas Tuchel might be availeble soon and I rate him even though it hasnt been rosey with Bayern... Over to you

[Nagel]

"If you use hyperbolic statements like the worst trophy drought in a club's history, then yes, that is clearly meant to imply that he's their worst ever manager, or at least one of them. Even if there's truth in it, when it only takes into account one single season then it's not worth making such a fuss about. You moan about stats that don't back you up but you're happy to use ones that do, even if they're completely without context. You again mention heavy spending at Porto, ignoring the fact that they were selling more than buying and made well over £100m transfer profit in his time there. You go on about this 3 horse race and say that his win ratio is inflated, but how can it be when it's being compared to his predecessors and successors? They all played in the same league. It's a like for like comparison."

[Nagel]

"If you use hyperbolic statements like the worst trophy drought in a club's history, then yes, that is clearly meant to imply that he's their worst ever manager, or at least one of them. Even if there's truth in it, when it only takes into account one single season then it's not worth making such a fuss about. You moan about stats that don't back you up but you're happy to use ones that do, even if they're completely without context. You again mention heavy spending at Porto, ignoring the fact that they were selling more than buying and made well over £100m transfer profit in his time there. You go on about this 3 horse race and say that his win ratio is inflated, but how can it be when it's being compared to his predecessors and successors? They all played in the same league. It's a like for like comparison."

[LJC]

Sbb you can have a pop at me all you like but you have been called out on this thread by others and now on the other thread. Maybe take a step back and think it’s more than one poster that thinks I’m wrong so maybe I am?

[southbankbornnbred]

"For a bit of human context...Portugal's ""big three"" have only ever failed to win their league (between them) on two occasions in the history of Portuguese football. If you don't have a high win ratio at Benfica, Porto or Sporting Lisbon, you need to explain yourself. There is a considerable drop-off in quality thereafter - so what matters is how you perform against the other two big sides. It's a running joke in Portugal."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Nagel - now who's sounding hysterical? I've never claimed, nor tried to imply, that Lopetegui is ""the worst manager they [Porto] ever had"". Only you have tried to say that's the case. You are aware - aren't you? - that Porto's owners eventually explained to the media that they sacked Lopetegui because the team was going backwards expensively. He was lagging behind Benfica and Sporting and, as several people have pointed out to you, it is a three-horse race in Portugal. And it is a fact - I know LJC seems to hate those - that, at the point when they sacked him, his tenure as manager was the longest Porto had gone without a trophy under that owner. That's what I had explained. Not what you claimed! He spent heavily in Portugal and was sacked within two years after falling behind the only other two competitive sides in the country. Or are you going to try to spin that some other way? It looks like he's going to get the job here. In which case, as a West Ham fan, I hope he wins every game 5-0. But I'm not blind to his failings (there have been many) - and I'm certainly not trying to use his inflated win ratio in Portugal - in what amounts to a three team league in which he finished third - to imply he's a top coach."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Nagel - now who's sounding hysterical?! I've never claimed, nor tried to imply, that Lopetegui is ""the worst manager they [Porto] ever had"". Only you have tried to say that's the case. You are aware - aren't you? - that Porto's owners eventually explained to the media that they sacked Lopetegui because he didn't look like winning anything. He was lagging behind Benfica and Sporting and, as several people have pointed out to you, it is a three-horse race in Portugal. And it is a fact - I know LJC seems to hate those - that, at the point when they sacked him, his tenure as manager was the longest Porto had gone without a trophy under that owner. That's what I had explained. Not what you claimed! He spent heavily in Portugal and was sacked within two years after falling behind the only other two competitive sides in the country. Or are you going to try to spin that some other way? It looks like he's going to get the job here. In which case, as a West Ham fan, I hope he wins every game 5-0. But I'm not blind to his failings (there have been many) - and I'm certainly not trying to use his inflated win ratio in Portugal - in what amounts to a three team league in which he finished third - to imply he's a top coach."

[Pedro]

Not quite getting the media anger at how the club are handling this It happens all the time. Moyes would have been sacked had his contract not be coming to an end. All clubs have a manager ready before current manager is gone. Manager sacked at 10am and new manager in at 11am etc . If it is true club need to announce now. Prob let Moyes take the Luton game and then get caretaker in for the last one. New manager needs to be involved asap and working behind the scenes. Huge summer of players in and out

[Takashi Miike]

"""Very dull and uninspiring. replace an old man with an old man."" for years, this cսnt has religiously supported the most dull & uninspiring manager in the history of the sport"

[Nagel]

"""But the stats don’t tell the real story."" What you mean by that is that the stats don't back up how you want to spin things, with your laughable dramatics about the ""longest trophy drought under Porto’s ownership"" from his one full season in charge, trying to make out that he's the worst manager they ever had, when he clearly isn't."

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

What a surprise - the cheapest high profile boring football manager Sullivan can find. Sullivan needs to go.

[goose]

‘Feet every time you post you make yourself look even dumber.

[twoleftfeet]

Sky Bet have stopped taking bets on the new manager. I just hope Bayern come in for him and scupper us. Very dull and uninspiring. replace an old man with an old man. Good stuff.

[stewey]

I just hope we can show our class on Saturday and not cսnt moyse off too much.

[stewey]

I just hope we can show our class on Saturday and not cսnt moyse off too much.

[El Scorchio]

"Sir Alf 1:51 That’s my big concern too. That as per the usual, when faced with a big decision or one with a lot of money riding on it, he reverts to type and just goes with what his mates tell him, or with the cheaper ‘safer’ more short sighted option while something else slips through his fingers. Seduced by the past rather than considering the future. Pretty odd for a self made billionaire to be so risk averse and bereft of ambition. Maybe it’s just conservativeness kicking in in old age."

[BruceLee]

"Forget Julien Lopetegui, I'd take Julian Clary over Moyes right now"

[onsideman]

"Nagel 1:46 Mon May 6 If you win fuck all in a 3 team league you will often be sacked. If he was sacked half way through his second season with the team in 3rd (where they also finished), then it would presumably have been because those closest to the club felt that they weren't improving and that his squad with him at the helm wasn't capable of improvement"

[onsideman]

"Nagel 1:46 Mon May 6 If you win fuck all in a 3 team league you will often be sacked. If he was sacked half way through his second season with the team in 3rd (where they also finished), then it would presumably have been because those closest to the club felt that they weren't improving and that his squad with him at the helm wasn't capable of improvement"

[twoleftfeet]

"Sacked by the end of December, Moyes back in January. They are just replacing like for like, very progressive."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Nagel, But the stats don’t tell the real story. Any Porto manager should have good stats: there are only two realistic rivals in Portugal. You “should” beat every other side regularly. So your win stats should be high. Very high at Benfica, Porto and Sporting. You’re a bright guy - you know the context. He was sacked because they did not win anything in a weak league where there are three big fish in the pond (and Porto are autonomously bigger than one of them). Finishing third in Portugal is finishing bottom of that league as far as those big clubs are concerned. They offed him when it was obvious he wasn’t going to be able to compete with the only two rivals that matter in that country. Finishing third in Portugal, with any of those three clubs, is not an achievement. And the owners know it."

[stewey]

Terms agreed with lope

[goose]

Lopetegui at Porto: 78 games 67.95% win ratio 2.24 points per game Amorim at Sporting 220 games 70.91% win ratio 2.28 points per game Lopetegui is a coach & tactician. His downfall appears to be drawing too many games.

[Sir Alf]

"Sullivan as usual overriding all advice and knows best. Shame his track record counts only Moyes ( ironically ) as a managerial success. Loptegui gets say or veto on transfers? He’s appointed as a manager not a coach? Sullivan may as well appoint Salthouse as DOF, Barry Silkman as Head of Recruitment and Mackay head of scouting with himself signing off on their recommendations. Wasnt it Silkman that said Steidten’s choice of young Ghanian Osman in Jan was over paying. Instead they hot 3 or 4 out the door and went for Moyes choice of Phillips. Reputation / short term and bling factor over progression and the future. Would be interested to know where Steidten and Noble’s heads are now. Tim may well know West Ham is now just a stepping stone s he wont be free to properly implement a 5 year project with a club headed by a narcissistic, egomaniac"

[Nagel]

"His sacking at Porto looks a bit harsh really. He was let go in early January after 25 games with a record of W17 D5 L3. Their record for the remainder of the season was W15 D1 L11, so obviously a great deal worse. And in his first season there they got 21 more points than in the previous one. I think to some extent it's a good idea to judge a manager on how the club performs before and after his time there, and on that basis his time at Porto was pretty decent. Of their 14 managers this century, he ranks 5th for win %."

[goose]

"Fabrizio Romano @FabrizioRomano ¬? Follow ?üö®‚öíÔ?è EXCL: Julen Lopetegui has agreed terms with West Ham to become new head coach replacing David Moyes from next season. Lopetegui has accepted #WHUFC proposal, ready to proceed to formal stages. Details being finalised then contracts will be signed but agreement in place."