Woke watch

[arsene york-hunt]

"There is a very good section on GB news where the ludicrous idiocies of Wokeness are looked at I thought we would should have one for WHO. I'll start with Baptiste on BBC: In Hungary,an ambassador's family are kidnapped by Islamic terrorists and carry out atrocities. At the end of the last episode Baptiste finds out that it is a false flag operation and conveniently, the real culprits are white supremacists who want to stop all immigration. Coronation Street ITV a gay black footballer is stopped by the police, because he is driving an expensive car. He is pushed to the ground during an altercation, and damages his leg threatening his career. Could have been written by Dawn Butler or a BLM activist."

[ironsofcanada]

"Fo I agreed with part of your orginal point initially, even before I saw that papers were saying patently false things. But your point included consistently downplaying the role of - the - membership association of local governments. Pretending it had no convert power or access to funding or service, which it details on its own site. If you honestly extrapolated the ease of getting in and out of it from one anecdotal experience that is just another kind of misinformation. Again part of the ""insidious misinformation"" that people use to make points. Your is maybe more subtle than outright lying but is that better or worse. On to the game."

[Fo the Communist]

"Irons - I was genuinely surprised the membership was so comprehensive. Happy to concede that. The overwhelming majority of councils clearly have the view that the merits of membership outweigh the disbenefits. Happy to concede that too. It is, after all, rather beside the point of my original post."

[ironsofcanada]

"Fo the Communist 7:23 Thu Oct 6 ""Looks like most local councils are currently happy with the service"" Again that is of course a falsely naive statement. You know full well that if something is the only game in town and includes 99.4% of your peers, there is a lot more than being happy that compels you to be part of that voice."

[Fo the Communist]

Irons. Looks like most local councils are currently happy with the service. I have worked for a council that left without any bother (though I think it has since re-joined in fairness).

[ironsofcanada]

"Fo the Communist 7:16 Thu Oct 6 ""Councils leave and join the LGA all the time depending on which way the political wind is blowing or on the whim of the prevailing administration."" Really? What does this mean? ""Our core membership comprises 331 of the 333 councils in England and includes district, county, metropolitan and unitary authorities along with London boroughs and the City of London Corporation. The 22 Welsh unitary councils are in membership via the Welsh Local Government Association."""

[Fo the Communist]

*leave it.

[Fo the Communist]

Irons. Councils leave and join the LGA all the time depending on which way the political wind is blowing or on the whim of the prevailing administration. Council's routinely make far more difficult choices than leaving what is essentially a professional body. I have no idea why the LGA produced this guide. I assume it was done at the request of its membership - a membership that is free to take the guide's advice or leave

[ironsofcanada]

"Fo the Communist 6:54 Thu Oct 6 I have been a very local journalist and sat in those meetings and been on the other side at a slightly higher level of government, deciding who gets the funding. You know is not an easy decision, your whole description of weighing pros and cons argues directly against your point. Come on. I bow to your knowledge of the specifics but your ""unlikely"" is hardly a firm point. Again what is the point of making the guide if it provides information that available elsewhere and has no weight whatosever?"

[twoleftfeet]

Stabbing in London you say? Those bloody white youths and their knife carrying has gone too far this time ! It’s no longer safe for black people in London! If only their was a white Mayor or local white MPs who could come out and say something.

[Fo the Communist]

Irons - posted that before I saw your clarification.

[Fo the Communist]

"Irons. I posted in response to this: ""Now we're not allowed to say 'mum' and 'dad'! Fury as councils are ordered to BAN 'offensive' traditional terms and replace them with woke phrases like 'birthing partner."" I posted because the above is a palpably false interpretation. My suspicion is that it is deliberately so in order to pursue a political agenda and, as such, is insidious. Whether or not it is easy decision for a council to leave the LGA is a subjective one. I would say, having worked in, around and with local government for decades (I haven't been a journo for a long time) that choice is indeed easy if the local authority administration feels the negatives or membership outweigh the benefits. Councils opt in and out of the LGA all the time as they change complexion and, in any case, the LGA is unlikely to ever to have a hand in a government funding settlement (which is the Holy Grail for any local authority) that is limited to its own membership."

[ironsofcanada]

"Fo I would apologise and correct myself, though I had not seen it yet. The Sun does use the word ""ban"" which is absolutely false in the context of this guide."

[ironsofcanada]

"Fo the Communist 5:49 Thu Oct 6 ""simple choice."" You have a practice of pretending to be very naive when it suites you point. Given your background, surely you would say that a decision that intertwines even tacit access to funding, political influence and public perception is not a simple one for a politician. It is part of the ""insidious misinformation"" to pretend that all the LGA (having read just a little bit, it is very similar to groups I knew) can do is issue guidance and that is that. The practices, good or bad, mentioned in the LGA Inclusive Language Guide are very much in the public consciousness. If a mayor out there wants to practice them, there are many resources for her/him/they to access. As a decent reporter, you may ask yourself, why does this body need to produce another guide? What else do the LSA then have to gain? There is a lot else at play that you are ignoring in being so reductive. There is nothing techincally false in what you say but there is not anything technically false in the articles I have seen about the guide. But both are misinformation to me, picking the parts that serve their argument. https://www.local.gov.uk/our-support/workforce-and-hr-support/equality-diversity-and-inclusion-workforce/lga-inclusive"

[Westside]

"Expat', 'second generation', 'economic migrant' and 'homeless' are also banned What term should they sue for the homeless? Outdoor lager enthusiasts?"

[goose]

"Kanye West will be fuming. lets be honest, despite their noble intentions the gesture has lost any kind of impact."

[master]

Return of the knee! https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63160650

[Fo the Communist]

"IoC It is really a simple choice, mate. You just weigh up the benefits and subtract the minuses. If overall it is not in your interests to be a member you opt out. Or you can just pick and choose the services/functions you like and leave those you don't alone. You can also have a voice on it to influence its direction. The real point however is that the LGA had issued guidance. Whether you like or adopt that guidance is down to you. No one was, or is, being forced to do anything and to present it such is disingenuous and self-serving."

[ironsofcanada]

"Fo the Communist 1:41 Thu Oct 6 I have no practical working knowledge how it works in England with this organization but in similar instances I have worked around, chosing not be aligned with them and often their political agendas, mean being shut off from funding sources and a powerful lobby mechanism. It is not a simple choice of joining or not, without cost."

[Hermit Road]

"""The LGA is an organisation which local councils are free to join"" At a cost of over £60k per year for Newham which no local authority could possibly afford as you reliably informed me last week they are all starved of funds and have been for a decade."

[Nutsin]

"Just wondering are there any countries in Africa, the Middle East or Asia that are Woke?"

[Nutsin]

"Just wondering are there any countries in Africa, the Middle East or Asia that are Woke?"

[BRANDED]

"A dozen senior US judges have promised a hiring boycott of graduates of Yale Law School in response to claims of ""cancel culture"" at the prestigious institution, accusing it of undermining free speech and intellectual diversity. It comes after a federal Court of Appeals judge appointed by Donald Trump, the former US president, declared he would no longer hire clerks from Yale Law School, after criticising angry students for disrupting conservative speakers. In a speech to members of the influential conservative group the Federalist Society, Judge James Ho railed against censorship targeting conservatives on law school campuses across the country. The judge, who sits on the US Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit, cited a number of incidents at schools in which prominent figures had faced ""campus vitriol"". He singled out Yale - consistently ranked as the top law school in the US - for particular criticism, saying the institution ""not only tolerates the cancellation of views, it actively practices it""."

[,]

"This could be renamed the knee jerk thread. Pick up a suggestion, mislead yourself that it’s a fact and post it up on here as a fait accompli."

[Toe Rag]

4 stabbed in Bishopsgate this morning after commuters tried to stop people knicking bikes. Happy to potentially kill someone for a pushbike ffs!

[Fo the Communist]

"The LGA is an organisation which local councils are free to join (or not join) as they wish. It has no power to compel a local council - whether a member or not - to do anything that council doesn't want to do. Councils are free to leave the organisation if they feel out of step with its thinking. As I said yesterday, the wilful misinformation unthinkingly regurgitated by the ant-woke brigade is just as insidious as daft workery itself."