Woke watch

[arsene york-hunt]

"There is a very good section on GB news where the ludicrous idiocies of Wokeness are looked at I thought we would should have one for WHO. I'll start with Baptiste on BBC: In Hungary,an ambassador's family are kidnapped by Islamic terrorists and carry out atrocities. At the end of the last episode Baptiste finds out that it is a false flag operation and conveniently, the real culprits are white supremacists who want to stop all immigration. Coronation Street ITV a gay black footballer is stopped by the police, because he is driving an expensive car. He is pushed to the ground during an altercation, and damages his leg threatening his career. Could have been written by Dawn Butler or a BLM activist."

[ray winstone]

Side of Ham = 30p Lee

[Side of Ham]

The trams are running well today......

[Side of Ham]

The trams are running well today......

[Swiss.]

"ray winstone 4:48 Tue Mar 7 ""Democracy’? That ended when you lot voted in de Pfeffel, now we just have lies, propaganda, smoke and mirrors"" Exactly. You can't have true democracy aligned with stupidity as Brexit showed."

[Side of Ham]

*couldn't

[Side of Ham]

That doesn't fit in with Raaaaaaaaaays blues vs reds logic Joe.......he still hasn't fallen in over half his labour comrades would be banned from voting for voting in Bozo to get Brexit done.....Jezzbolah could make a decision on it amongst other things....

[ray winstone]

"Actually Snide, you've got something there, 61% of Tory voters voted leave whilst only 35% of Labour did and rather strangely, 5% of UKIP voted remain. Madness."

[joe royal]

Was Boris actually voted in by the public or was he just the next in the queue?

[Side of Ham]

"Now, now Trunds, in Raaaaaaaaaays world only the Tories voted for it.....blues vs reds and all that....."

[Lee Trundle]

ray's also extremely racist seeing as he disregards all the Indians in Slough who voted to leave.

[Side of Ham]

There's plenty of those around the world for him to choose from but I doubt they do the blue vs red thing he's densely loyal to......does that mean he'd lose his vote for being thick as well?

[ray winstone]

"‘Democracy’? That ended when you lot voted in de Pfeffel, now we just have lies, propaganda, smoke and mirrors."

[Kaiser Zoso]

Ray prefers a system of oppressive dictatorial control

[Side of Ham]

Do you not want to live in a democracy Raaaaaaaay?

[ray winstone]

"'policies appealing to working class people who are too thick and racist to deserve a vote, but sadly have one'. Bang.On.The.Money."

[Fo the Communist]

Surf - watch JRM's contribution yesterday and you will (should) be left in no doubt about how he uses the word 'socialist' and what his intentions are. Populist. You can try to put whatever words you like in my mouth. I reject populism as an ideology because it is based on a false premise that seeks to foment and exploit public fears and frustrations. It is inherently dishonest. And of course is an approach of both left and right wing exponents.

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

"FO You're still at it. 'Socialist' is exactly how the Labour Party describe themselves. There's nothing pejorative about it. You just don't like the cut of JRM's jib. Incidentally, the term 'populist' is very telling. It is used by the left to mean 'policies appealing to working class people who are too thick and racist to deserve a vote, but sadly have one'. It has literally no other possible meaning. It's OK, though, working class people haven't cracked the code yet. That's why Labour has done so stunning well in every election since 2005."

[Fo the Communist]

"Surf So we agree both are pejorative - we're down to a shootout for what's most offensive. You are probably right - though I don't agree 'far right' conjures up the Hitler and Mussolini images you initially put forward, I would say the term is currently more damaging than the others under question. But I say 'currently' for good reason. Listen to the way JRM used the word 'socialist' in the Commons yesterday during the carefully choreographed Sue Grey debate - clearly populist, and dangerous, rhetoric from someone who until recently had his spindly fingers on the levers of power."

[Hammer and Pickle]

"Sorry to intercede with an observation but ""left wing"" or ""leftie"" isn't inherently pejorative in terms of political extremism while ""far right"" is. Meanwhile, the use of ""lefty"" by the likes of JRM is designed to get the approval of other reactionaries like him and is definitely not meant to describe the political spectrum in any useful manner."

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

"FO You're doing it again. You're trying to pretend that the label 'leftie' is as pejorative as the label 'far-right'. It clearly isn't, for the reasons I gave. Even if I accepted all the connotations you gave for 'leftie', it still doesn't equate to 'holocaust-loving, xenophobic/racist hater of the poor' which is what what 'far-right' means. To try to suggest that the two terms are even slightly equivalent at the very least verges on whining. Certainly when you start to use phrases like 'dog-whistling' and 'the populist playbook' It'll be 'lackeys of the capitalist running dogs' next."

[Fo the Communist]

"Surf - If I'm whining at all (personally I thought I was chatting on a forum) then its about both labels. To me, the use of 'far right' is mostly lazy and, personally, in the context it's mostly used, I tend to think of knuckle-dragging skinheads rather than the figures you mention. It's subjective I guess - folk will read what they want to into such labels. For me the use of 'lefty', 'leftist' is insidious. Dogwhistle rhetoric portraying internal enemies of the state (lawyers, civil servants etc) thwarting the will of the people and straight from the populist playbook: apparently moderate language cloaking more sinister intent."

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

"FO You've just demonstrated my point perfectly. You whine about the term leftie as if it is as pejorative as 'far right'. Of course, it isn't. Like it or not 'far right' brings up images of Hitler, Mussolini and their monstrous uniformed followers. 'Leftie' merely brings up images of hairy chaps in smoke-filled rooms who like to go on strike a lot. Even 'commie' (rarely used now) isn't as damaging. The left knows this very well, which is why they label everyone to the right of Jeremy Corbyn as 'the right' and everyone to the right of Tony Blair as 'far-right' or, just as often, and just to emphasise the trick, 'fascist'. It's also why the hard left will label the BBC as right-wing in defiance of all evidence to the contrary and at every opportunity. It's the 'big lie' strategy in operation."

[Fo the Communist]

"Surf - the terms like 'leftist' and lefty' are used as a pejorative terms term today in a way they never was a decade or so ago. Same with 'socialist'. That pillock JRM was doing so in the Commons only yesterday. A particularly spiteful performance from him. I say that, in the same spirit as Sydney's comment, in full agreement that terms like 'far right' are also bandied around with equal lack of thought. Whether it's pigeonholing 'far right' or 'lefties' it's symptomatic of the wider problem - the wilful degeneration of proper political discourse in this country."

[Fo the Communist]

"Surf - the terms like 'leftist' and lefty' are used as a pejorative terms term today in a way they never was a decade or so ago. Same with 'socialist'. That pillock JRM was doing so in the Commons only yesterday. A particularly spiteful performance from him. I say that, in the same spirit as Sydney's comment, in full agreement that terms like 'far right' are also bandied around with equal lack of thought. Whether it's pigeonholing 'far right' or 'lefties' it's symptomatic of the wider problem - the wilful degeneration of proper political discourse in this country."

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

"Sydney_Iron 11:10 Fri Mar 3 'To be fair though, the term “far left” gets banded about all too quickly as well!' That's not really true, mate. For instance, Antifa can go out on the streets tooled-up and wearing balaclavas and still not get called that. The asymmetry is indicative of the whole problem."