Woke watch

[arsene york-hunt]

"There is a very good section on GB news where the ludicrous idiocies of Wokeness are looked at I thought we would should have one for WHO. I'll start with Baptiste on BBC: In Hungary,an ambassador's family are kidnapped by Islamic terrorists and carry out atrocities. At the end of the last episode Baptiste finds out that it is a false flag operation and conveniently, the real culprits are white supremacists who want to stop all immigration. Coronation Street ITV a gay black footballer is stopped by the police, because he is driving an expensive car. He is pushed to the ground during an altercation, and damages his leg threatening his career. Could have been written by Dawn Butler or a BLM activist."

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

"FO No,mate. We can't just agree to differ. You are wrong. Unless you can show a specific example of JRM using 'socialist' in the same way as the left use, for example 'fascist' you don't have a case. Just not liking the person who uses a word doesn't change the meaning of a word. If Labour don't like being described a 'socialist' they should stop describing themselves as a socialist party. The example you have linked to is evidence to those who are already opposed to JRM. How can you honestly be surprised that a friend of a PM who has been brought down by a supposedly independent report be incensed that the chair of the committee that produced the damning report should then immediately join Labour? Of course he thinks she has connived. On balance, so do I. He describes her as 'a friend of the socialists'. Well, she's clearly a friend of the Labour Party, so, according to Labour, he's bang on the money, isn't he? 'People can have legitimate - and mistaken or overstated - fears and not be thick and/or racist. ' So, still too stupid to spot the truth, even on your second attempt to muddy the waters. 'Populists feed on that and offer false solutions.' People still too stupid or deluded to see through these false solutions, eh? 'I don't think I have ever said people holding views different to mine are either thick or racist.' With regard to 'populist' a term you used several times, you seem to have spent all afternoon unsuccessfully attempting to find a form of words that avoids saying just that. 'To suggest those are my views is putting words in my mouth is it not?' Not if you are unable, as you have been, of finding another interpretation of 'populist' 'Are you saying there are no modern left-wing populists?' I wouldn't ever use the term populist, so the question is null. Plus I never suggested anything of the sort in the first place."

[Side of Ham]

"comma, I get you can’t stand the tories they are indeed the worst at not hiding their snobbery BUT you have to start seeing the Labour mob are cut from the same cloth. Because of who they try to represent they have to be more devious in hiding their disdain for the vast majority of us remember Brown getting caught out after getting what for from the old dear? It’s about time you let go that one party is an improvement over the other they are all cunts who think they are well above of us rabble. The thing that irks is there is no excuse for our type to not start entering into politics and doing well calling out this middle /upper class facade that pretends to have our best interests."

[Fo the Communist]

Sunak also accused Truss of promoting socialist policies in a TV debate. It was meant as a pejorative term not just in an internecine context.

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

", I see you have leapt to FO's defence with the JRM thing - which is in any case a massive straw man. Two things: 1) How is JRM describing his more centrist colleagues' policies as 'socialist' in any way different to Labour politicians describing Tony Blair as a 'Tory'? Labour is a socialist party. The meaning in both examples is 'these people are in the wrong party'. A deadly insult to a professional politician perhaps, but registering precisely nowhere in the public consciousness. 2) How is that relevant to a discussion on the relative severity as a pejorative of 'leftie' and 'far-right'?"

[Fo the Communist]

"Surf ""I fail to see how using the word that the LP have always and still do describe themselves can possibly be pejorative."" If you fail to see it, you fail to see it. But if you haven't noticed the word increasingly being used in the context of a fifth columnist then you've not been watching modern politics - nor JRM - closely. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/jacob-rees-mogg-calls-sue-gray-conniving-friend-of-the-socialists/ar-AA18jGfM?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=d26e6d0f20fe42f4859c888fb2cc2a44&ei=6 ""I didn't put any words in your mouth, I merely pointed out the only possible meaning of the phrase, one which you aptly demonstrate, here:"" People can have legitimate - and mistaken or overstated - fears and not be thick and/or racist. Populists feed on that and offer false solutions. I don't think I have ever said people holding views different to mine are either thick or racist. To suggest those are my views is putting words in my mouth is it not? ""I don't think I've ever seen anyone from the right describe a policy of the left as 'populist', have I? Not in the past 20 years anyway."" Are you saying there are no modern left-wing populists?"

[Kaiser Zoso]

"only1billybonds 8:19 Tue Mar 7 Interesting you mention that I was watching something that claimed that Trump's win derailed the US program to start a war in Ukraine, by 4 years. Obviously, Clinton getting bombed wasn't in the script for a one world leader by this time, also look at Belorussia for an attempted coup and the pressure on Moldova and Hungary to fall into EU/US line."

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"Last year, after Bozo had announced his resignation, I remember Lord Snooty, standing at Truss’s shoulder ( probably working her with his foot truth be told ) and talking in support of her and decrying other candidates socialist policies. The gullible lap this sort of thing up."

[only1billybonds]

"Two events triggered frequent use of the term 'far right, those being the election of Trump and the Brexit vote. So incensed were/are those opposed to these events that they completely lost their minds and topped the far right bandwagon up with hatred juice and set it in motion. Iv'e known plenty of people, including some posters on here who proudly claim their support of left wing politics/ideas and good for them. Never heard anyone claim to be far right though, if there really were that many, surely at least some would have made themselves known? Only the other day, Sadiq Khan was labelling those opposed to his ULEZ scheme as far right extremists and lumped them in with 'anti vaxers' and covid deniers. It really has got a little bit silly now and any sane person accused of being far right by someone should do no more than laugh in their face. Pathetic cunts."

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

"Fo the Communist 3:57 Tue Mar 7 'Surf - watch JRM's contribution yesterday and you will (should) be left in no doubt about how he uses the word 'socialist' and what his intentions are. Populist.' I fail to see how using the word that the LP have always and still do describe themselves can possibly be pejorative. 'You can try to put whatever words you like in my mouth.' I didn't put any words in your mouth, I merely pointed out the only possible meaning of the phrase, one which you aptly demonstrate, here: 'it is based on a false premise that seeks to foment and exploit public fears and frustrations.' So the public are too thick to spot the false premise and their fears and frustrations are in any case stupid and racist/xenophobic. 'And of course is an approach of both left and right wing exponents.' I don't think I've ever seen anyone from the right describe a policy of the left as 'populist', have I? Not in the past 20 years anyway."

[Side of Ham]

I do love Raaaaaaaaaays blue's vs reds abuse.....it's very mincey though....

[ray winstone]

Side of Ham = 30p Lee

[Side of Ham]

The trams are running well today......

[Side of Ham]

The trams are running well today......

[Swiss.]

"ray winstone 4:48 Tue Mar 7 ""Democracy’? That ended when you lot voted in de Pfeffel, now we just have lies, propaganda, smoke and mirrors"" Exactly. You can't have true democracy aligned with stupidity as Brexit showed."

[Side of Ham]

*couldn't

[Side of Ham]

That doesn't fit in with Raaaaaaaaaays blues vs reds logic Joe.......he still hasn't fallen in over half his labour comrades would be banned from voting for voting in Bozo to get Brexit done.....Jezzbolah could make a decision on it amongst other things....

[ray winstone]

"Actually Snide, you've got something there, 61% of Tory voters voted leave whilst only 35% of Labour did and rather strangely, 5% of UKIP voted remain. Madness."

[joe royal]

Was Boris actually voted in by the public or was he just the next in the queue?

[Side of Ham]

"Now, now Trunds, in Raaaaaaaaaays world only the Tories voted for it.....blues vs reds and all that....."

[Lee Trundle]

ray's also extremely racist seeing as he disregards all the Indians in Slough who voted to leave.

[Side of Ham]

There's plenty of those around the world for him to choose from but I doubt they do the blue vs red thing he's densely loyal to......does that mean he'd lose his vote for being thick as well?

[ray winstone]

"‘Democracy’? That ended when you lot voted in de Pfeffel, now we just have lies, propaganda, smoke and mirrors."

[Kaiser Zoso]

Ray prefers a system of oppressive dictatorial control

[Side of Ham]

Do you not want to live in a democracy Raaaaaaaay?

[ray winstone]

"'policies appealing to working class people who are too thick and racist to deserve a vote, but sadly have one'. Bang.On.The.Money."