Woke watch

[arsene york-hunt]

"There is a very good section on GB news where the ludicrous idiocies of Wokeness are looked at I thought we would should have one for WHO. I'll start with Baptiste on BBC: In Hungary,an ambassador's family are kidnapped by Islamic terrorists and carry out atrocities. At the end of the last episode Baptiste finds out that it is a false flag operation and conveniently, the real culprits are white supremacists who want to stop all immigration. Coronation Street ITV a gay black footballer is stopped by the police, because he is driving an expensive car. He is pushed to the ground during an altercation, and damages his leg threatening his career. Could have been written by Dawn Butler or a BLM activist."

[Hammer and Pickle]

"Excuse me because I have ignored stuff like “The recent recording at Rye College gives you documentary evidence of how it's taught. My youngest is still at school. She knows it's all bollocks but says everyone stays silent because you'd be in trouble for expressing your opinion EXACTLY as happens in the Rye College thing.” because that is EXACTLY what it deserves. It also shows you have listened to NOTHING I have posted but I will say this: In a civilised 21st Century open society, education is not just limited to the teaching of facts like maths and science, and it certainly is not about teaching religion or even history like these were merely made up of facts. This is because there is one fact that trumps them all in these areas and that is the absolute subjectivity of any individual that is beyond any kind of analysis, categorisation or judgment. Once you take this on board you realise respect, honesty and openness become just as important as the facts, and you also realise you have the right to say it’s all bollocks but the teacher has their right, and even duty, to ignore you because they have responsibility for the class and you are only responding to your own internal process."

[mashed in maryland]

"""I have no problem with genuine trans people"" No such thing."

[Darlo Debs]

No child should be told they are a boy/ girl (it's up.to them to explore over time if need be ) or put on any kind of medical.intervention before the age of 18.i absolutely agree. I.just don't ever remember saying they should be.

[Fifth Column]

"Debs 100% agree with your last post. A girl could do all the things associated with being a boy stereotype eg short hair, likes sport, climbing trees. Or vice versa. That's progress. Telling a boy that likes dresses or pink that it means they're actually a girl is the ""social transitioning"". The latter is problematic."

[only1billybonds]

"I have no problem with genuine trans people, they deserve happy and peaceful lives as much as anyone. Its the activists who are the villians of this particular piece, the people who advocate puberty blockers for 10 year olds and kick up merry hell because a lesbian dosnt want to go with a 'woman' who has a dick. If you can be called a woman whilst still having bollox, surely a white person can identify as black ? Yea, right. And exactly what unity is being damaged and how is this beneficial to the right? Plenty on the left share the same concerns over what is happening around certain areas in the trans movement."

[Mike Oxsaw]

Darlo Debs 1:15 Sat Jun 24 The object of (good) parenting is to best prepare the children for whom you have responsibility about life in the society into which they will grow. It is not weaponising their ignorance and insecurities and using them as ammunition to try to force that change on the very same society. When they are adults and (better) understand their own feelings (generally but not exclusively when their hormones become lest rampant) is well soon enough for them to return to the matter - and not a second earlier.

[Darlo Debs]

"I sm.not sure how letting your child dress in clothes generally worn by the opposite sex, do activities more generally associated as the opposite sex and maybe asked to be called by a different name constitutes abuse"

[Nurse Ratched]

"Nice! I am genuinely delighted with that, Fiff. Bloody good riposte."

[Fifth Column]

"Debs We need to base social and medical policies on objective evidence. The independent Cass Review into the NHS gender clinic for children concluded it was failing. One of the findings was that there is insufficient evidence to conclude that socially transitioning children eg schools changing their pronouns, benefitted the child in the long term. Things that may seem to be compassionate can have long term negative impacts. The British Medical Journal published a review of the evidence for gender affirming care quoted by advocates around the world. It concluded the evidence was poor. The editor received abuse, was told he was a bigot and should retract the article. Surprisingly he told the critics to #### off albeit without profanity. Point is, kind people take the ""but it's only kind, it doesn't hurt anyone"" line of activists to be true. But it's all without solid evidence."

[Fifth Column]

Nurse An interesting parallel. RE doesn't teach any particular religion as fact. And the curriculum also covers atheism. I think studying gender identity as part of RE would actually be ideal. It's clear that it's an ideological belief rather than a fact that you're not allowed to challenge. I don't think there are any RE teachers threatening to kick kids out of school for not subscribing to any view. The legal requirement for some form of worship in schools that I think technically still exists should be removed as well.

[mashed in maryland]

"""But how does it affect you personally"" isn't a justification for damaging and abusive behaviour."

[Darlo Debs]

MiM.but you didn't answer my question regarding how someone letting their child be who.it wants to be and then have the support to change back if/when they want or need to affects you personally. No responsible adult should be encouraging a child to.take drugs. Funnily enough my daughter ( now 17) thanked me for refusing to let her have a vape when her friends had them.at the age of 14.

[Nurse Ratched]

"""You can't educate children about something that doesn't exist"" *raises hand and coughs politely to get Mr Column's attention* Excuse me Sir, but I thoroughly agree with you. Does that mean we can now also do away with religious study classes in school? *smiles sweetly*"

[Fifth Column]

Typo None of this is hyperbole

[Fifth Column]

"H and P You've ignored every one of my points because you are lost and have no clue how to respond. You can't educate children about something that doesn't exist. We're not going to educate children that the earth is flat. The impact of this ""education"", which you are defending despite having no knowledge or understanding of it, is to put healthy children to be subject to castration, mastectomies and sterilisation. The majority are gay or autistic. None of this is not hyperbole. Generations of my family have been in the labour movement campaigning for gay rights and women's rights. To see people claiming to be on the left supporting this homophobic women hating movement is genuinely heartbreaking. It's because the left has ceased to be about the workers and is now the party of feelings. For shame."

[mashed in maryland]

"Debs I've said this to you before and I'm not taking the piss: the world needs more people like you. You're a genuinely good human being who wants people to be happy. But that's a problem when that instinct is weaponised by the sort of predators who put these ideas into kids heads in the first place. You're not doing a child any good long term by validating this stuff, any more than if you were letting one try LSD because they wanted to ""explore their dimensional reality"" or whatever. You probably won't get that as its just not how you're wired up. And that's fine, but you're objectively wrong on this."

[Hammer and Pickle]

"Yes, your post is all about misinterpreting the education of children in this are because it is all based on the grounds that THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN “INTRINSIC GENDER IDENTITY”, whether according to biological sex, physical characteristic or any other social or cultural criteria. The education is all about awareness, acceptance and respect. You don’t like it? That’s OK but you won’t be able to turn it into something it isn’t and then caste negative judgment on that false picture."

[Hammer and Pickle]

"Yes, your post is all about misinterpreting the education of children in this are because it is all based on the grounds that THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN “INTRINSIC GENDER IDENTITY”, whether according to biological sex, physical characteristic or any other social or cultural criteria. The education is all about awareness, acceptance and respect. You don’t like it? That’s OK but you won’t be able to turn it into something it isn’t and then caste negative judgment on that false picture."

[Fifth Column]

"Hp "" ""Sorry, but this is a total misrepresentation of how children are educated to be aware of their own and each other’s gender identity by well-prepared professionals."" What did I misrepresent? You said it was a sexual orientation. That is factually incorrect. The recent recording at Rye College gives you documentary evidence of how it's taught. My youngest is still at school. She knows it's all bollocks but says everyone stays silent because you'd be in trouble for expressing your opinion EXACTLY as happens in the Rye College thing. I've misrepresented nothing. You on the other hand have just repeated a statement with no evidence referring to children just being ""taught about gender identity"". There is no solid evidence for the existence of an intrinsic gender identity in humans. There is evidence for the medical condition of Gender Dysphoria where a miniscule number of people feel a revulsion for their physical body. This is explicitly not what trans activists degine being ""trans"" as. My ex was a biologist and works for the leading institution in the academic field in the UK. My eldest is currently completing his Masters in biology at arguably the world's leading university. We've discussed this many times. Gender Dysphoria is real. Gender Identity doesn't exist. The concept of Gender Identity has led to thousands of predominantly gay and autistic children being put on medical interventions and surgeries when all independent research shows 9/10 would have desisted as adults and become happy, functioning adults. Usually gay adults. It's what Iran forces on gay men only we teach it in schools now and have flags to celebrate it."

[Darlo Debs]

"As a parent ny job is to encourage my kids to want to be the best they can be as humans. To treat people as they want to be treated and to teach them.right from.wrong. by setting boundaries and a good example. Sounds like you and ED would be to make your child miserable until.they conform.to your ideas of what is 'normal""."

[Darlo Debs]

Oh my god. So.whatvshould we be making it about. Satisfying the sensibilities of the ignorant. What affect does it have on you personally if a mum let's her child explore its own identity in a supportive way? How does that change your existence in anyway?

[Eerie Descent]

mashed in maryland 12:14 Sat Jun 24

[mashed in maryland]

"""Until.then though if my child were self harming because I was trying to force them.to be something that fundamentally made them.unhapoy, I'd consider myself a terrible parent for foisting my prejudices onto my kids and not letting them.explore their identity for themselves."" This is partly why this shits been allowed to spiral out of control to how it is now: Because well meaning and naive mums, teachers, social workers etc have made it all about feelings."

[Mike Oxsaw]

"Darlo Debs 11:55 Sat Jun 24 No, not aimed at you - more at the people who interpret a sign of a kid acting out a gender/maturity specific role that doesn't align with their assigned-at-birth sex or current age as proof that said child has ""issues"" that must (MUST) be treated by a specialist (team) immediately, ""so they don't suffer any longer than necessary"". All it really takes is good parenting - skills that would in the past be handed down from parents and grand-parents. Many have lost that link through moving away from living close to such relatives. Bat-shit crazy, attention seeking ideas and concepts seem to be efficiently and effectively filling that void."

[Darlo Debs]

Sorry MO who.is that addressed to? Hope you aren't implying that I am.a filthy perv. That is an accusation yet to be substantiated ;-)