Woke watch

[arsene york-hunt]

"There is a very good section on GB news where the ludicrous idiocies of Wokeness are looked at I thought we would should have one for WHO. I'll start with Baptiste on BBC: In Hungary,an ambassador's family are kidnapped by Islamic terrorists and carry out atrocities. At the end of the last episode Baptiste finds out that it is a false flag operation and conveniently, the real culprits are white supremacists who want to stop all immigration. Coronation Street ITV a gay black footballer is stopped by the police, because he is driving an expensive car. He is pushed to the ground during an altercation, and damages his leg threatening his career. Could have been written by Dawn Butler or a BLM activist."

[Fifth Column]

"Branded I think the logical conclusion of the argument is that ""wokeism"" to use the term is an inevitable result of the feminisation of parts of society that influence decisions in the public realm eg law, policies of companies etc And men ""railing"" against that may well be a result in terms of men having a knee jerk reaction against anything, even reasonable policies. However, again if ""railing against the trends"" is a euphemism for men hitting or sexually assaulting women then no I don't think the article suggests that is the case."

[arsene york-hunt]

"""""TalkTV presenter Julia Hartley-Brewer also weighed in, tweeting: 'Yeah, sure, what all women and girls are looking for when they're naked in a changing room is a big angry man who demands to be in there with them because he's dressed as a woman. Uh huh.' """""

[goose]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12333323/Furious-trans-woman-blasts-hotel-spa-staff-asked-wanted-use-unisex-changing-rooms-says-experience-spoilt-day.html the madness continues.

[BRANDED]

The article isn't specifically about Woke but more about the pacification and institutionalisation of the Western human condition that has been feminised and that the feminisation of Western humans isn't necessarily a good thing. There are observed negative results. Some of which might lead to Wokism or also men's active railing against the trends.

[chedylan 2]

"Woke watch taken over who as well, all these locked threads"

[Fifth Column]

"Branded if you're talking about some of the ""woke"" stuff generally on this thread and ""allyship"" ideas then yes I think that article has some merit. It's not relevant to domestic violence stats but I don't think that is what you were talking about."

[BRANDED]

"The BBC has apologised to Nigel Farage over its inaccurate report about why his account at Coutts bank was closed. On 4 July, the BBC reported Mr Farage no longer met the financial requirements for Coutts, citing a source familiar with the matter. The former UKIP leader later obtained a Coutts report which indicated his political views were also considered. Mr Farage said he accepted the apologies ""with good grace"", but said questions for Coutts remained."

[BRANDED]

"Fifth You may be interested in this essay. Its trying to find a narrative around how we got here. I think its got some interesting ideas. https://unherd.com/2023/07/the-sexual-holy-war-is-coming-for-you/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups%5B0%5D=18743&tl_period_type=3&mc_cid=13bca4beec&mc_eid=41e264a586 “Whatever else it means, being a responsible man today would seem to involve a tricky double task: to be respectful and protective of women in private, and to confidently disregard women’s tears in public. This would be made easier if women — the silent majority of them who probably value self-reliance — did likewise, forming an alliance with men against a metastasising force of moral orthopaedics that diminishes us all.”"

[Fifth Column]

*rape not tape. Poxy autocorrect

[Fifth Column]

*In English law

[Fifth Column]

"Surface Yes I'm English law you can only commit tape with a penis. Women can technically be guilty of it if they effectively assist a man to rape someone. Just to be clear close to 99% of sexual offences are committed by men. Not rapes, I mean all sexual offences. Ministry of Justice figures that are publicly available. So yes it is very rare. And yes I used to work for the Police on charging decisions for DA and sexual offences for two years. In the USA the stats are almost identical on sexual offences so it's not only an English thing."

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Rios mea culpa...

[riosleftsock]

"Surface, you fucking bigot. Are you even suggesting that a woman can not have a penis? MODS!!!!"

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Fifth My apologies. I've just checked the Met's definition of rape and you are right. A penis has to be involved. Otherwise it's sexual assault.

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

"Fifth Yes, I agree with almost all of that. The only thing I would quibble with is that women 'almost never' rape. Women can rape men (and other women) by penetrating them with any object. This is not common, but it's far more frequent than 'almost never'."

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

"Fifth Yes, I agree with almost all of that. The only thing I would quibble with is that women 'almost never' rape. Women can rape men (and other women) by penetrating them with any object. This is not common, but it's far more frequent than 'almost never'."

[Lee Trundle]

goose 7:07 Mon Jul 24 Poor old comma. He'll be distraught reading that.

[Fifth Column]

"Surface Most research shows women experience domestic abuse at approximately twice the rate of men ie about 1/3 of domestic abuse victims (in terms of violence) are male. You're right that the reporting rate is much lower for men. Having said this, women also massively under-report DA. Most don't report it at all. But in general 1/3 male victims of some form of domestic violence is fairly accepted as accurate. However, the amount who experience serious injury - it's only about 5% of men, 95% women... mainly because on average men are stronger than women and testosterone etc leads violent men to inflict more harm on women than violent women are generally capable of. Also, women almost never sexually assault men. That is incredibly rare. And they never rape them in legal terms. There are male victims of rape and they are raped by other men. Weirdly the perpatrators of male rape often aren't gay or hadn't seen themselves to be gay."

[Fifth Column]

"Surface Most research shows women experience domestic abuse at approximately twice the rate of men ie about 1/3 of domestic abuse victims (in terms of violence) are male. You're right that the reporting rate is much lower for men. Having said this, women also massively under-report DA. Most don't report it at all. But in general 1/3 male victims of some form of domestic violence is fairly accepted as accurate. However, the amount who experience serious injury - it's only about 5% of men, 95% women... mainly because on average men are stronger than women and testosterone etc leads violent men to inflict more harm on women than violent women are generally capable of. Also, women almost never sexually assault men. That is incredibly rare. And they never rape them in legal terms. There are male victims of rape and they are raped by other men. Weirdly the perpatrators of male rape often aren't gay or hadn't seen themselves to be gay."

[goose]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-66288464 whoops!! sorry Nigel.

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

"arsene I suspect that 1 in 10 figure of abuse by women on men is for reported cases. Men will be reluctant to report this for two reasons. Firstly, owing to the differences in physical strength, men may feel the effects of such abuse too trivial to report. Secondly, there is a huge issue of 'face' that prevents men reporting domestic violence by their female partners. 'My missus beats me up' doesn't get you too much kudos in the cricket club dressing room. One of my (female) friends is responsible for the immediate care/swabbing/debriefing(?) of rape and domestic assault victims. She took the job quite recently. She was astonished by how many of the victims of both crimes are men. It's not half, but it's way more than 1 in 10."

[Fifth Column]

"Nurse You have conflated two things. There is a law around ""coercive control"" which has a very high bar to meet before there will be a prosecution. That law had nothing to do with Sally Challen's case in a legal sense. She was found guilty of murder. Her subsequent appeal stated that she had been subject to a coercive and controlling husband. This led to the conviction ending up being changed to manslaughter so she was released. The defence used the terms as a description of what she had been subject to. They could have used those terms even if it was not a crime in itself. I'm not advocating for or against the finding (I wasn't in court so I haven't heard the evidence) - just saying that the law's existence didn't lead to her release. As for ""victim less prosecutions"" ie where victim refuses to participate, yes it is possible but again the legal ""bar"" is so high that you need very very very clear evidence so it's actually not used very often because CPS won't use it unless it's an open and shut case."

[Darlo Debs]

Coercive control (.in either direction) must be bloody hard to.prove hough I don't doubt it exists. Just out of interest did anyone see the episode if Murder in The Family last week about the guy who set fire to.himself and his mother in law ( to get at his ex wife).in Benfleet? Blood curdling.

[Darlo Debs]

Lol shut up.Rios

[Nurse Ratched]

"I think violence between men and women in relationships, while obviously a bad thing, is actually rather straightforward. My understanding is that now the police can arrest and move towards prosecution even without the co-operation of the victim if there is enough evidence to proceed to court. What I am more worried about is the new element 'coercive control', because I think that has the potential to be dodgy as fuck. Indeed it already has been, in the case of Sally Challenor who, in my own opinion, carried out a calculated, premeditated murder. She has become the poster girl for this dodgy law. I think they chose the wrong case to highlight the perils of this coercive control business."