NFL (since 2016)

[crystal falace]

"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."

[Grumpster]

"Laters Cowboys, think they've been shown to be very overrated tonight!!"

[Josh]

Norf! My brother is desperate for some tickets. I've given him your number to contact you.

[Norflundon]

Missing our game to go to the bills game tomorrow really looking forward to seeing Allen in the flesh Then up all night to see the big game told work I won't be in till 12 Bit like West Ham's game tomorrow will be a true test of where we are as we've absolutely obliterated 3 teams and then had a blow out Need Al the big boys to turn up so many good match up parsons/Bosa and Trent Williams/Zac Martin Mccafrey/Pollard Samuel/lamb Purdy/Dak I think it'll be a tight game and can see turnovers deciding it

[Norflundon]

I can probably get you three but not hospitality but they will be very good seats

[bobbymoore]

I'm after hospitality ones if you know of any. Looking for 3

[Norflundon]

I may have some tickets for Sundays game at Tottenham but they are NOT freebies unfortunately if anybody is interest let me know

[El Scorchio]

"it's an insult to any football fan's intelligence to have to sit through it. It's basically loose women, with hags nattering. Last night, I kid you not, they were in a review for a play which was coming back for grounding and the bloke gave this superb analysis. It's probably coming back but who wants the right decision? I want the more fun decision, plus I really want the Seahawks to win this game so I hope it stands.' I mean WHAT THE FUCK? I cannot believe they've had this format for 3 years plus. It must be offered to them for free or something because it's the absolute drizzling shits and I cannot believe they haven't binned it off. The woman (she's some ex player's wife or something isn't she?' is just not a professional standard TV presenter at all and the guests are morons more interested in 'comedy' chat than actual analysis or worthy insight. It's like they've dragged three people in off the street five minutes before TX and said 'Just have a laugh' A step up from a student TV station. I genuinely think three of us off here could do a better job of it."

[southbankbornnbred]

"The Channel 5 coverage is absolutely diabolical. On another level of shit. The UK's NFL audience is basically pretty well-informed about the sport these days - and has been for some time (just read this thread, with fans of many sides who genuinely know their stuff). But, seemingly, they continue to pitch the NFL coverage here at five year-olds with an SEN plan and an hour extra for every exam. Basically, the UK commercial channels (with the exception of Sky) approach it like: ""Look at the shiny things, and the cheerleaders. Look at Taylor Swift in the audience..."" It's not proper football, of course. But it's a really good sport, that gets more interesting the more tactically involved it becomes. Yet they continue to pitch it to dunces here. At least the BBC made more effort to explain tactics, line-ups, formations etc. Sky does a decent job, because of its connections with the league in the US."

[lab]

It really is a shit show isn't it .

[El Scorchio]

"Fuck me, these clueless cunts on the channel 5 coverage get more annoying every time."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Another deeply frustrating night for the Jets. Defense was superb - few sides will play defense better than that this season against Mahomes and Reid's offense. Even Zach Wilson was playing at the limit of his capacity, and we looked on for an upset win. Then the kid goes and fumbles a basic ball with 7.20 left and Mahomes runs out the clock. And that's the problem with Wilson. Even when he's having one of his better games - and he did yesterday - his ceiling is still not quite high enough and he makes basic errors. Hard one to take for the defense, that. They deserved the win, played out of their skins, watched their QB they don't like do well for three quarters - and still he lost them the game when it was on the line. You've got to think that Wilson will not be the starter for much longer, despite an improved performance last night. Because he just finds new ways to lose. Hard to know where the season goes now. 1-3 record looks like every Jets season for the past 15 years. Hard to see it being anything different this time around. And, to think, just a few weeks ago some pundits were tipping them as outsiders for the Super Bowl (it wasn't going to happen!)."

[Nutsin]

Niners are 4-0. Purdy went 20 of 21 He is legit. CMC with 4 TD's is silly. Aiyuk was on fire. Cowboys up next. Looking forward to a tough game.

[Grumpster]

McCaffrey is an absolute joke. Absolutely superb trade he was.

[Takashi Miike]

what a game in philly. sam throwing a touchdown pass with two seconds on the clock to tie things up. ice in his veins

[southbankbornnbred]

"Zeb, Yep, you're right: both of those QBs read the game and make decisions quicker than Wilson ever will. God knows what Zach must make of Miami's pace right now - he cannot read the game as quickly as that offense runs! It's no shame on Zach Wilson - although his character and approach has not helped him (hence his team-mates don't like him). Some say he's not really that interested in a lengthy pro career now that he's a multimillionaire. I don't know if that's true, but he can't continue in New York once he's benched for the second time in a brief career. He'll need to do a Geno Smith and rebuild elsewhere, as a back up. Wilson is just not up to the job as a starter, despite some natural talent. Most QBs who enter the NFL do not make the grade - and the Jets have had more than their fair share of them since the Johnsons took over. For me, the problems at NYJ start from the top down. I rate Saleh (after a shaky first season) and Douglas (GM). They were putting complex pieces of the jigsaw together before Woody Johnson came back from the UK under Trump, got impatient, and broke the bank for an ageing Aaron Rodgers and his expensive acolytes. It'll cost the Jets now - possibly for a couple of seasons."

[zebthecat]

"You are right southbank. Compare and contrast with the likes of Tua and Joe Burrow. The latter two, especially Tua, manage to read the field in less than second. Tua uses quick timing as an asset whereas it has been a necessity for Joe Burrow due to the Bengals porous O-line. I know both have had a year more in the NFL but they looked like starters immediately massively helped by their teams receivers."

[zebthecat]

"You are right southbank. Compare and contrast with the likes of Tua and Joe Burrow. The latter two, especially Tua, manage to read the field in less than second. Tua uses quick timing as an asset whereas it has been a necessity for Joe Burrow due to the Bengals porous O-line. I know both have had a year more in the NFL but they looked like starters immediately massively helped by their teams receivers."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Interesting development in Gotham in the past 24 hours. Very different narrative about Zach Wilson coming from Saleh now. He's now saying he ""has to play better"", rather than defend him outright - which is what he had done after Sunday. Clearly, this has come from a players' rebellion. The defense has called out their own (back up) QB as not up to the job. Wilson will start again on Monday, but my guess is that he will not end that game as the Jets starting QB - unless they are comfortably ahead. And what are the chances of that against Mahomes and Kansas?! You can feel a benching coming now because 52 players in the locker room have no confidence in him. Again. I feel a bit sorry for Wilson, even though his attitude stinks. The Jets are notoriously shit at developing QBs and he's just the latest in a long line. People talk about him coming out of a small college etc, but I just think the game is just too quick for him at professional level - in the same way it is too quick for most QBs coming out of college (even big colleges). Zach is the walking epitome of how you can look great in college, when you have so much more time to throw the football. At that level, at best you have two or three really fast, strong college kids coming at you out of a defensive formation - and that's if you're playing a really good college side. But at professional level, you have 11 doing that. They're bigger, stronger, faster and they read plays much quicker. Play in, play out. So you get milliseconds to make decisions. And that's why most NFL quarterbacks fail."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Interesting development in Gotham in the past 24 hours. Very different narrative about Zach Wilson coming from Saleh now. He's now saying he ""has to play better"", rather than defend him outright - which is what he had done after Sunday. Clearly, this has come from a players' rebellion. The defense has called out their own (back up) QB as not up to the job. Wilson will start again on Monday, but my guess is that he will not end that game as the Jets starting QB - unless they are comfortably ahead. And what are the chances of that against Mahomes and Kansas?! You can feel a benching coming now because 52 players in the locker room have no confidence in him. Again. I feel a bit sorry for Wilson, even though his attitude stinks. The Jets are notoriously shit at developing QBs and he's just the latest in a long line. People talk about him coming out of a small college etc, but I just think the game is just too quick for him at professional level - in the same way it is too quick for most QBs coming out of college (even big colleges). Zach is the walking epitome of how you can look great in college, when you have so much more time to throw the football. At that level, at best you have two or three really fast, strong college kids coming at you out of a defensive formation - and that's if you're playing a really good college side. But at professional level, you have 11 doing that. They're bigger, stronger, faster and they read plays much quicker. Play in, play out. So you get milliseconds to make decisions. And that's why most NFL quarterbacks fail."

[southbankbornnbred]

"I like our defense. They are a proper unit. They don't really even have a ""leader"", because they train and hunt as a pack. Play-off standard defense if they stay fit. It's just a shame the QB, O-Line and offensive co-ordinator issues have been a shitshow for a decade."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Scorch - yep, totally agree. It has been a brutal reminder for the Jets this season. And a brutal reminder for Jets fans that the people who own the franchise are brutally out of their depth. They came in last summer and finally threw a shedload of money at a superb, established QB. But probably too late in that QB's career, and with absolutely no idea what sort of negative impact basing your offense, and a large chunk of your coaching staff, around one (older) guy would have. The Johnsons are not planners. They don't know how to plan. Their usual method is to spend as little as necessary. Then when the fans/media pot starts to boil in New York, they mindlessly throw a load of money at one player (remember, we did something similar with Favre at the very end of his career, too). Because they don't really know how to run a multi-billion dollar sports franchise, and they don't listen hard enough to people like Douglas and Saleh who, in all fairness, do know their way around. Speaking of which, inevitably, the Jets defense has reportedly turned on Zach Wilson and want him benched in favour of absolutely anybody else at QB. Remember, these are the guys who wore ""Mike Fucking White"" t-shirts in the locker room last season. They don't like Zach Wilson's character at all and think he is way out of his depth - which is true. It's turning nasty and I can see Saleh being forced to bench the back-up. You can't risk losing 52 players in the locker room just to try to boost the confidence of 1. From the defense's perspective, they are reportedly saying ""we're holding good teams to 13 points and this QB still can't score enough to win games..."" It's a fair point. Good professionals know when somebody isn't up the job, and nobody (apart from Saleh) is speaking up for Zach Wilson. And the HC has to."

[El Scorchio]

"Yup, that sounds about right. He must be in a bit of a quandry about what he wants to do, and for all the talk of him being a selfish dude, he must be pretty cut up and feeling guilty about it. Agree on the luck thing. I guess as someone gets older they are more prone but to have the achiles go pop on the fourth play is just crazy. As it was to just remodel the team around one guy. At least Cobb and Lazard are decent. But it's a huge shame there's such a gaping hole at QB now. The next QB is NOT on the roster, and it's likely the team isn't bad enough to be in a position to draft him next spring. There is no sport more chastening than the NFL when the short season finally comes round and it goes brutally in the first couple of weeks. Just rips the spirit out of you."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Scorch - my guess is that Rodgers will sit at home taking his gigantic salary this season (less the PRP bonuses). Then he'll make a decision on whether he wants to go through a full rehab, fitness recovery and pre-season again at the age of 40 in order to get ready for next season. That is probably a 50-50 thing. It's a long way back for him. Some medical experts are saying he will still only be doing very light running in March 2024. The Jets will need to know more by April, ready for the draft. On the 'bad luck' thing - it is, and it isn't. The freak injury is bad luck, of course. But it is more likely to happen to an older player. But what is not 'bad luck' is the Jets putting all of their eggs in one basket. Bringing in Rodgers' OC mate didn't really have to happen. Now, nobody on offense understands his complex system. The O-Line looks confused, Zach Wilson is Biblically out of his depth and they can't move the chains through the air. Cherry-picking Rodgers' mates and choices in the skills set - Cobb, Lazard and Cook - were also very expensive moves that relied on Rodgers being around. He now won't even be in the building until next spring. These would not have been typical Saleh and Douglas picks/choices and were all about Woody pandering to Rodgers. Now they're taking up a lot of cap room and space on the roster - some on multi-year contracts - while some of them (Cook especially) aren't fully fit. Overpaying on the trade was also not ""bad luck"". We might still owe GB a high pick, depending on how next Spring plays out (although if Rodgers doesn't play again, there less chance of that). Thankfully, the draft picks were offset slightly when Rodgers agreed to renegotiate (down) his contract - so that's not so bad. But for a franchise that was finally taking the time to scout and build under Saleh and Douglas, they got impatient and went all-in on a very expensive QB legend. Now they've imploded with his tendons!"

[El Scorchio]

"I mean, most people were saying Rodgers to the Jets would end in disaster- but not this kind. It's bad luck on a scale that even dwarfs the usual classic West Ham bad luck. If he has to retire that's probably the best thing as it clears his salary from the cap, doesn't it? Last thing you need is all that money going to someone who is under contract but never going to play another down."

[RBshorty]

"Bring back Ryan Leaf. Everyone loves a ""Come Back.""ù Story.!"