Manchester Airport incident

[Leonard Hatred]

"We're gonna have a British George Floyd now innit. The BLM mob are gonna be all over this. Expect a load of shoe shops to be looted as a ""protest"". This country's gone to the fucking dogs."

[Hammer and Pickle]

"Oh I can respect that - if we are talking about tackling the actual problem and the political leverage required to do so effectively, I'm with you 100%. For example, the organised sexual abuse of children in the Catholic Church - those bastards know not to come to my door."

[WHU(Exeter)]

"Pickle, on the contrary I feel there 100% SHOULD be political capital and gain with it. Those pushing for change, to ensure that type of things don't happen again should absolutely make the gains, at the total expense of the political parties and set up, that allowed it to take place for so many years. It's not one party in particular but the whole fucking set-up. Do I think that rioting is the best way to force the issue, no, I don't. But at the same time I think that the wishes and thoughts of a large % of the population is completely ignored and silenced. And that's why this has happened. It's one of the many reasons I no longer bother voting and also why I resent seeing increases in my community tax, led by increases in the cost of policing. I am sick and tired of hikes in that, when I see a number of examples of what it's paying for. I don't want to pay for an organisation of flat track bullies who will turn up mob handed to deal with a homeless person, when that is the same organisation that turns a blind eye to the rape of young girls."

[ray winstone]

Far Cough 6:36 Tue Aug 6 Probably because he keeps breaking the law.....

[Mike Oxsaw]

"...."" - anyone trying to make political capital out of it is absolute scum."" People constantly try to make political capital out of all/any crime - particularly politicians and their more fanatical followers. This, in principle is no different to not building enough prison capacity to match society's contemporaneous needs - generally based on an estimate of population size - in order to claim ""Crime has not increased on MY watch."". When & where does the ""complex"" side of things come into it?"

[Hammer and Pickle]

"What I'm talking about is networks of Pakistani men running child prostitution rackets focused on care homes for anything up to a decade with the local authorities and police failing to act followed by attempts to cover up the whole seething mess. It's a story of poverty, systematic neglect by the authorities at all levels and generally a dreadful matter - anyone trying to make political capital out of it is absolute scum."

[Far Cough]

I don't normally follow all this bollocks but can someone tell me why they keep arresting that Tommy bloke?

[WHU(Exeter)]

"Pickle, you mentioned the grooming scandals as ""òcomplex', but they are not. It was a complete and utter dereliction of duty by certain members of the police and social services, and that has been argued by other members of the police and social services, who did try to raise the alarm and gets things done, but were silenced. Some of the latter have since appeared on radio shows explaining what happened. There is NOTHING complex about it. When people pay taxes in a civilised society the fucking very least they can expect, is that bodies such as the police should not be ignoring the systematic rape of vulnerable girls. Otherwise what's the point? When it gets to that point, then law and order really had broken down, so why are we even paying them? Those responsible for ignoring it should be utterly ashamed of it for the rest of their lives. Please do explain the ""òcomplex' bit though""¶."

[Lee Trundle]

It only took them 20 odd years to do that.

[joe royal]

That hate preacher bloke got life last week .

[Mike Oxsaw]

"Don't think ""Concerned about immigration"" and ""Prone to criminal activity"" are mutually exclusive traits; some people are one, some the other - there's probably a few that are both and some neither. I do think that all immigrants should be provided with a list of societal priorities - in English - for guidance and maybe an indication of how they're expected to behave in their new country. Their number one priority should be that of being able to communicate in the official language of their host/new home. Fill your boots as often as you like trying to explain why that is unreasonable - not sure how immigrants can be remotely surprised that the native people of England speak...well...umm...English."

[RootsRadical]

"...... Same with the BLM protests. The underlying issues here are the sense of a 2 tier approach and a large proportion of working class people particularly up North feel marginalised, abandoned and frustrated. As for voting and democracy - When Ukip got over 12% of the vote in 2015 becoming the 3rd largest party they got just 1 seat in Parliament. When Reform recently got over 4 million votes becoming the 3rd largest party they got just 4 seats."

[RootsRadical]

"...... Same with the BLM protests. The underlying issues here are the sense of a 2 tier approach and a large proportion of working class people particularly up North feel marginalised, abandoned and frustrated. As for voting and democracy - When Ukip got over 12% of the vote in 2015 becoming the 3rd largest party they got just 1 seat in Parliament. When Reform recently got over 4 million votes becoming the 3rd largest party they got just 4 seats."

[BRANDED]

there's this thing on Joe Rogan about how Muslims are so inbred. All scientific and statistical data.

[Come On You Irons]

"Hermit Road 1:24 Tue Aug 6 Re: Manchester Airport incident __ Good post. I would also add to that the sham that is the First Past the Post electoral system, which is hugely skewed in favour of the Labour and the Conservative parties. On 4 July, Reform UK received 4 million votes and returned five MPs. The Liberal Democrats received fewer votes and returned 72 MPs. Labour achieved 33.7% of the vote and returned two-thirds of the MPs. It is simply farcical and undemocratic. But the people running the country don't care one iota about democracy."

[RootsRadical]

"The Manchester airport attackers were released on bail and allowed to spread misinformation that caused a protest outside a police station by young Muslim men threatening violence if their demands weren't met. There's also been many incidences of extremist preaching, chants and symbolism on the pro Palestinian marches and criminal damage of Jewish / Israeli property and associates, harassment and anti semitic attacks but the police stood off or claimed they never saw it. Of those that were charged I don't think any were actually convicted."

[Hammer and Pickle]

"If you want a simplistic and totally discredited causal link between migration and crime of all kinds as a hill to die on, who am I to tell you what to think and do. Go on - make a cսnt of yourself in public. See if I care."

[Mike Oxsaw]

"Seems that some posters are still trying to convince others that ""their"" party's shit don't smell. Labour have managed to do in 2 weeks what took the Tories over 15 years. In reality. ""Their"" party couldn't give a flying fuck about them, yet I'm sure the denial politics will continue from the usual suspects."

[Hermit Road]

"Things like immigration are supposed to be sorted out at the ballot box. The ballot box is where steam is let off in a democracy and people re able to have their views listened to. So let's look. Starting in 2005 when Blair promised to curb immigration (I know it's mad but he ran on it), we had elections in 2010, 2015, 2017, 2019 and 2024, where the election winners promised to curb it. What are voters supposed to do when they consistently vote for something they are promised and not only is the promised not carried through, but the thing that were promised would be limited is actually escalated. Then you have the two tiered approach to dealing with the anger at being ignored at the ballot box. There are foreign rapists in this country who are given either no prison time or months. People throwing bins in Sunderland have been told they'll go to prison for years and are being kept on remand purely because their skin colour and ethnicity allows the ruling classes to feel virtuous about punishing them."

[WHU(Exeter)]

"""Not sure what any of that word salad means, to be honest"" I love the way he's thrown 'complex' into the argument, so if any of us fail to understand his incoherent ramblings, it's because it's all COMPLEX. My plan B Pickle would be this; That from immediate effect, people in this country with reasonable concerns, should not have their voices shut down, and feel unlistened to, because of numerous patronising and sanctimonious idiots like you. That would be a start."

[Hammer and Pickle]

"I see. A couple of questions if you don't mind. Does this solution involve any kind of longer term policy for all those who might want to embody some rage as a result? You know, family members, friends and the like? Also, how do you know you have the right individual as you round them up and put them in that field?"

[Lee Trundle]

"""how about all of you politically obsessed weirdos and extremists of all kinds go find a field, kill each other, and let the rest of us get on with our lives."" ‚Üë‚Üë‚Üë THIS ‚Üë‚Üë‚Üë"

[stewie griffin]

"Not sure what any of that word salad means, to be honest. Phillips is in writing tacitly endorsing a violent mob. She should be gone by lunchtime. She won't be, of course. But to address some of your projections. I don't have a problem with Muslims. At all in fact. I have a problem with Muslim gangs. And gangs of stabby white youths. And gangs of stabby black youths. And gangs of sports direct clad imbeciles smashing things up. And gangs of people who align with Hitler chanting for the death of over 7 million Jews every weekend. I'm an equal opportunity hater, to be frank. And as I mentioned yesterday, more people played village cricket this weekend than were involved in any of this. So if you'd like a Plan B - how about all of you politically obsessed weirdos and extremists of all kinds go find a field, kill each other, and let the rest of us get on with our lives."

[nerd]

"any of you know this fella , genius - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q_2VNTUjbk"

[Hammer and Pickle]

"Actually, it's more there not being exactly many prominent hard-line Muslim movers ito come down hard on in this case. Anyway, the public concern is not your beef with Muslims and foreigners, and the understanding of the complex social and economic nature of the Northern grooming problem is much better and more general than suits you. People want to conduct their affairs unmolested by violence or being associated by others with violence and all that Starmer has to do is provide the conditions for that. I suggest you stop rattling your cage and come up with a plan B because an opposition that is seen to support public unrest and disorder never does well in the U.K."

[stewie griffin]

""" It will come down just as hard on any Islamist terror organisations as it will on the racist anti-Muslim mobs"" they might try to backpedal into something now - but the absolute clusterfuck of Jess Phillips last night & the fact that Starmer & Cooper have explicitly said the exact opposite means that anyone with a functioning braincell won't listen. On a side note, Liz TRUSS tearing Phillips a new arsehole was simultaneously spectacular & concerning in equal measure."