Manchester Airport incident

[Leonard Hatred]

"We're gonna have a British George Floyd now innit. The BLM mob are gonna be all over this. Expect a load of shoe shops to be looted as a ""protest"". This country's gone to the fucking dogs."

[Mike Oxsaw]

"ray winstone 3:17 Mon Aug 12 Enough to make a difference though, wasn't it? Just like Brexit, really."

[stewie griffin]

"Come On You Irons 3:05 Mon Aug 12 Re: Manchester Airport incident Fair point, and probably not very well-worded, but I'm sure you take the point ""ì if the draconian measures are applied equally, then it becomes a separate argument. And to be fair, he's only been in power for 30-odd days ""ì so he's set this bar for himself. There's little doubt that people will be watching very closely on how consistently its applied Sydney ""ì there is a difference there. They haven't pleaded guilty, so there's a process to go through."

[ray winstone]

"'Shame on the people who voted Labour on 4 July.' There weren't that many, apparently....."

[Mike Oxsaw]

"It's 100% up to the message sender, whoever it is, not it's receiver(s) to ensure that the correct message is received and if it gets corrupted to identify that corruption and modify their message so as to nulify the impact of that corruptive element, whatever it is, or wherever it lies in the communication chain. It's not the receivers/audience who are trying to get a message across. Oh, and as for that Belfast judge's position, it's not such a big step from being arrested & charged for happening to be in the wrong place when a riot breaks out to being arrested & charged for just watching reports of said riots on the 6 o'clock news, even if you just happened to come across them whilst flicking through the channels."

[Sydney_Iron]

"""People can agree or disagree with the sentences - and the apparent lunacy of the Belfast judge's position - but as long as it's applied equally so everyone knows where they stand then there can't really be any complaints"" whilst i agree with that the British justice system is busy making a right pigs ear of itself! If Ricky Jones is getting remanded in custody, but the 2 lads who assaulted the Police at Manchester airport are out on bail then what the fuck does that say??? I thought getting remanded in custody was for those who would pose a high risk of re offending or a flight risk, All i reckon Jones would do if on bail is go home, close the curtains and cry into the latest copy of the Socialist worker magazine, but what of the 2 who thought it ok to assault the police? And have links to Pakistan so you would have thought a flight risk..... All Jones has done is give Starmer someone to sacrifice to try and show he is not 2 tier Keir!"

[Come On You Irons]

"""People can agree or disagree with the sentences - and the apparent lunacy of the Belfast judge's position - but as long as it's applied equally so everyone knows where they stand then there can't really be any complaints."" ___ I think we can have complaints. I think we can complain when a judge states that someone observing violence could be jailed just for being present at it. That is tyranny. We are slipping into a draconian and authoritarian state under Starmer where people are locked up and convicted on a whim. Shame on the people who voted Labour on 4 July."

[stewie griffin]

"Jordan PARLOUR was jailed for 20 months for posting on social media that people should target a building in Leeds housing 200 asylum seekers. Tyler KAY was jailed for 38 months for urging people to set fire to hotels housing asylum seekers. If those sentences are to be the benchmark - then logically speaking, addressing a crowd at a protest and saying that people should have their throats cut should follow a similar sentence. And given the judge in Belfast's commentary while remanding Cameron ARMSTRONG into custody that '""He doesn't have to throw a petrol bomb or brick to be involved in disorder, if he's present at disorder. Anybody involving themselves in this type of behaviour, this type of disorder, be an active participant or a curious observer can expect to be, save for the most exceptional circumstances, remanded into custody, and this defendant is remanded into custody""ù all of the people who stood by cheering and laughing while he said it should be looking over their shoulders as well. People can agree or disagree with the sentences - and the apparent lunacy of the Belfast judge's position - but as long as it's applied equally so everyone knows where they stand then there can't really be any complaints."

[Sydney_Iron]

"Well according to the BBC he is in jail! Remanded in custody which is a complete waste of public money but at least it's not just the ""far right""ù that the supreme leader is making an example of. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/credz9gl92yo.amp Suspended Labour councillor Ricky Jones has been remanded in custody after he was charged with encouraging violent disorder in connection with comments at a London counter-protest"

[Sydney_Iron]

"Well according to the BBC he is in jail! Remanded in custody which is a complete waste of public money but at least it's not just the ""far right""ù that the supreme leader is making an example of. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/credz9gl92yo.amp Suspended Labour councillor Ricky Jones has been remanded in custody after he was charged with encouraging violent disorder in connection with comments at a London counter-protest"

[Lee Trundle]

"I'm not suggesting he should be in jail for what he did, but who knows under the Supreme Leader Starmer."

[Sydney_Iron]

"*said in the ""heat""ù of the moment that should be!"

[Sydney_Iron]

"*said in the ""heat""ù of the moment that should be!"

[Sydney_Iron]

"Fair enough then if it's being applied across the board but still reckon 6 days guilty or not from offence to jail is not normal. The Labour councillor is obviously a prize cսnt with what he said, but jail time??? Kicking him out of the Labour Party and resigning from the council would be punishment enough in my book, said in the best of the moment in rage, but at least it would seem such harsh treatment is hopefully across the board."

[Mike Oxsaw]

", 1:41 Mon Aug 12 Are you claiming that there's no equivalent evidence in the Manchester Airport assault case? I thought the BBC were all over that one, verifying what happened, although only, I strongly suspect, to try to fit up the police officers involved, because they, like the government are right-on, truthful and caring, like. As verified by the BBC."

[,]

"Sydney, how much do you know about our criminal laws because you seem to be in ignorance of how things work. What delays the process is the actual going to Trial and in the case of those jailed they obviously pleaded guilty at Magistrates Court ( a hastily arranged but legal one ) and were subsequently sentenced. Those arrested and charged were basically faced with an open and shut case, video evidence usually, and electing to plead not guilty would have been futile. What would be popular would be the ability to bang up the mis leaders and inciters like Yaxley Lennon and Andrew Tate."

[Mike Oxsaw]

"Sydney_Iron 1:18 Mon Aug 12 I believe that the two who set a bus alight were charged and prosecuted; is was reported in the MSM, too. They were definitely, if the pictures of them are accurate, not (young) white male thugs. However, in reading several of the reports on the prosecution, none - NONE - referenced the date of the offences, but the placement and timing of those reports within the MSM was clearly an attempt to disprove two-tier policing ion the UK by trying to associate it with the prosecutions for the riots for which the terrible events in Southport were the catalyst. The caring government don't even bother to disguise their attempts at trying to manipulate the public now."

[Lee Trundle]

"... apart from if your name is Ricky Jones, Sydney_Iron. He's seemed to escape this sudden change."

[Sydney_Iron]

"One of the scary things I reckon is the sudden speed of the notoriously slow British justice system? 6 (six) days from posting something on social media to arrest, charges, trial and sentencing to being banged up for 20 months, fuck me Stalin would have been proud, although granted he would if had them put to death! So never mind your politics left or right but that should set alarm bells ringing as how the fuck is anyone let alone some working class Charlie meant to mount a meaningful defence or argument for a lighter or suspended sentence in such a short space of time? And why isn't such haste being shown to those who set buses on fire in Leeds or assault the Police at Manchester airport?"

[WHU(Exeter)]

I won't believe anything unless it's been fact verified by the BBC. I mean how else would we have known that there were going to be 100 demonstrations across Britain last Wednesday?

[Mike Oxsaw]

"RootsRadical 12:29 Mon Aug 12 Of course the government are milking it, they've got to keep public focus off many other problems they'd rather brush under the carpet/kick down the road if they can. Banksys has been unusually distractively active since the riots, too. King's shilling or a threat to prosecute him for graffiti vandalism?"

[RootsRadical]

"Govt are really rattled by this. Everyone is overreacting and virtue signalling like sheep, is there a script? They've massively overplayed it and are still going on as if it's the only issue even though there's been no protests for a week and the moment has gone. Even at that little girls funeral yesterday the chief constable at Manchester using her speech for propaganda against the protests, kept repeating it too. I got an all staff email from work this morning talking as if the riots were in full swing and saying how our students will need to be supported as they may be affected and may not be able to get in, it's fucking August 12th term doesn't even start for another month and as I said the moment has clearly passed."

[Mike Oxsaw]

"Manuel 10:57 Mon Aug 12 Nobody forces you to choose to read and respond to my posts Spamuel, so it's fair to conclude that you actually enjoy doing so, whatever words you may use in those responses. If you suffer from panic attacks when the site is playing hard to get, I suggest that you raise and discuss the issue on the anxiety/depression thread and leave this one to debating subjects directly related to the thread title, and not try to turn yet another thread into a personal vendetta."

[Manuel]

"You are still (STILL) going on Oxsaw, have a fucking word with yourself. *waits for Oxsaw to make even more posts now. YAWN"

[Mike Oxsaw]

"Either there's a housing shortage or there's not, either there's a prison space shortage or there's not, either there's at least a 22 billion pound defect or there's not, either illegal immigrants are pouring into the UK (visibly in boats now, post-Brexit) or they're not, either there's two-tier policing in the UK or there's not. Up to the government to prove - not just say, prove - which it is in every case. It is certainly not up to the people to believe it just because the government said it, and it's certainly wrong of the people to decide which it is, possibly to reinforce their personal political beliefs, in the absence of proof or message from the government."

[Nutsin]

"Coma, I listened to his speech. He called everyone protesting far right, he hasn't once commented about the mobs of Muslims running around toiled up, I suppose we'll just have to tolerate that. His speech was offensive and dead wrong. To single out all the protestors as far right with total disregard of peoples just and genuine concerns was offensive. Perhaps you should watch his speech before you post."