Biden withdraws

[nich the d]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.c ... e-13178802

[One Sunny Day]

I'm fed up of the neighbourhood cats shitting all over my garden and catching the wild birds. Anyone know if there are some immigrants who want to move into my estate? If Trump is right, they would be most welcome!

[Mike Oxsaw]

Don't forget that every surviving newborn is a customer for businesses somewhere.

No surprises certain people get so passionate about it.

[frank_booth]

The point is that Trump was speaking the truth when he said in some places in the US it is allowed to effectively perform abortions after a child is born. And that is the issue under discussion.
 

Do you know what you call an abortion after the child is born?

Murder.

And murder is against the law. 

[Hammer and Pickle]

It’s quite simple you mess.

This law has been created to allow doctors to do something absolutely necessary to prevent further suffering. It is not there to facilitate anyone killing babies with impunity as Trump and you cranks are claiming. And there have been zero instances it has been abused (as any law can be).

You disgust me.

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

If Mengele is too Godwin for you, you can substitute Crippen and Shipman if you want.

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Frank and Thickie seem to have a very favourable opinion of ALL doctors and ALL pregnant women. The idea that no doctors are ever bad and that no woman is ever callous will come as a surprise to Dr Mengele's patients.

They seem to think that, having attempted to end a life and failed, it is absolutely impossible that they would ever allow a child to die, EVEN THOUGH IT'S PERFECTLY LEGAL.

Laws are there to protect from bad people. If nobody was bad we wouldn't need any laws. Theirs is a ludicrous standpoint.

It's also a complete straw man. The point is that Trump was speaking the truth when he said in some places in the US it is allowed to effectively perform abortions after a child is born. And that is the issue under discussion.

[Hammer and Pickle]

When it comes to horrible life decisions of this kind, what is allowed by law and what is not is of quite secondary importance. It’s simple - people don’t kill babies because they can by law or any other means. In the end, the fact you are still flogging this nag indicates you really a very cynical piece of shit, Pointy.

[Mike Oxsaw]

So, in reality, it wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald who murdered JFK, it was the doctors who switched off his life support?

Righto.

[frank_booth]

 

 

 

 

 

You're literally saying it's legal to MURDER babies after they are born which is just ridiculous. You want to interpret the wording in that way, good for you. I'm pretty sure sane people understand it, none the less. 

"The point is, letting a baby that could survive die is now allowed."

And again, an adult that ends up, for whatever reason,  for all intents and purposes dead in a hospital but is being kept alive by a machine; yes, they could "survive". But if you switch off the machine and let them die, that isn't murder, according to you, but to a baby it is. Mental. 


EDIT: Just saw this again

"Which is ALL Trump claimed"

No, he said they are doing it. Like he said illegals are getting transgender operations at schools, immigrants eat dogs and cats, kids get gender operations at school.

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

The law has been changed so they are ALLOWED to, Thicko.

Which is ALL Trump claimed.

[Hammer and Pickle]

No matter how much you try to twist this in favour of your weird Trump cult, nobody is trying to kill babies under cover of this law, Pointy.

[Cabbige Savage]

frank

I don't know what the mother will ask for, although I could make an educated guess.

The point is, letting a baby that could survive die is now allowed.

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

 

 

but what if baby is jew or gipsea or has the retardayshion - Picjkle say that is good thing

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

And again, the part about the baby being sure to die you have added in yourself.

I can't imagine why you would do that...

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

frank

I don't know what the mother will ask for, although I could make an educated guess.

The point is, letting a baby that could survive die is now allowed.

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

[frank_booth]

Mike

In Minnesota the doctors no longer obliged to give 'treatment', just care.

Until August 1 2023 they were obliged to give 'life-saving care'. Now they just have to give palliative care.

 

 

That's right. It means doctors can just flip a coin and be like "not today buddy, you're gone" and they won't even get in trouble. 

It doesn't mean if a baby can't survive on it's own the family can now consult with physicians what should happen. Like how a human who longer has a life can be kept on life support but can pull the plug. But that's not murder. But this is murder. Funny that. No, it just means parents and doctors can kill any baby they decide they don't want. 

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Actually, within the same legislation SF2995, Minnesota also repealed the requirement to report live birth abortions.

'The weakened version of Minnesota’s abortion reporting law, which takes effect Aug. 1, repeals the requirement that practitioners report “whether the abortion resulted in a born alive infant,” “any medical actions taken to preserve the life of the born alive infant,” “whether the born alive infant survived,” and “the status of the born alive infant, should the infant survive, if known.”

So, nothing to worry about there, then.

[Nurse Ratched]

"You talk as if people can give birth then go..."

'People'??

[frank_booth]

frank booth

Yes, they've deleted the reference to 'medical' care. Now they just have to make it comfortable. And, like the Nazis, they are insisting on proper documentation of the killing.

Yeah, it's clear as day in the law. A doctor can legally murder any baby he chooses after it's born. This law is exactly like the Nazi Germany. 

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Mike

In Minnesota the doctors no longer obliged to give 'treatment', just care.

Until August 1 2023 they were obliged to give 'life-saving care'. Now they just have to give palliative care.

[Mike Oxsaw]

Who gets to decide if doctors have/had "done enough" to keep a new-born alive?

If your answer includes any variation on "society" then already the odds are that society is against the doctor as the baby would have had to have died for it to get to that stage.

So, who takes the decision as to when to stop treatment?

[Hammer and Pickle]

Thickie

Well, it's all just a few posts below so others can decide. I'm surprised you've come back at me after getting your arse smacked this morning, but there's no accounting for your narcissistic masochism, I guess.

Oh dear. Now it’s clear you are an arse-smack fantasist as well. 

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

frank booth

Yes, they've deleted the reference to 'medical' care. Now they just have to make it comfortable. And, like the Nazis, they are insisting on proper documentation of the killing.

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Thickie

Well, it's all just a few posts below so others can decide. I'm surprised you've come back at me after getting your arse smacked this morning, but there's no accounting for your narcissistic masochism, I guess.

[frank_booth]

Rather he’s got you bang to rights gibbering like a crank again, Pointy.

Get it felt son.

I'm guessing he's just sitting there with his fingers in his ears and just reads what he wants.

For those that want to see where it is now LAW that you can murder babies in Minnesota:

An infant who is born alive shall be fully recognized as a human person, and accorded immediate protection under the law. All reasonable measures consistent with good medical practice, including the compilation of appropriate medical records, shall be taken by the responsible medical personnel to care for the infant who is born alive.
— Minnesota Session Laws - 2023, Regular Session, CHAPTER 70--S.F.No. 2995


There you go, Face, clear as day. It's legal to murder babies. 

[Hammer and Pickle]

Rather he’s got you bang to rights gibbering like a crank again, Pointy.

Get it felt son.