Lopetegui (sacked 8.1.2025)

[maverick180]

I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season

Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit

We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge

But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask

[goose]

You mean unbeaten Hierro who won 1 and drew 3 then got binned?

Again you completely ignore the Sevilla stuff.

And all the prove that Fonseca isn’t quite as shit? You might get your wish when Fonseca gets the bullet at Milan.

[CanningTownWA]

I was at the game but only after watching Match of the Day did I realise what sort of set up he was playing ( I was behind the goal, Trevor Brooking end.  Obviously it did’nt work, the Chelsea players were too quick for us  and he realised this and tried to change it.  Hopefully he is learning from all of this and start to work out what the players are capable of.  I have’nt written off the players we have brought in but obviously we need things to start clicking or it becomes a death spiral.

I think if we put this team out for a few games and see what happens we will get a clearer picture of how good we are.  If I compare us to Spurs as a team I don’t think they are much better than us overall, Solanke as center forward, Son/Bowen? but not a great deal of difference.

Areola
AWB Todibo Kilman Emerson
Alvarez/Irving
Bowen Kudus Paq/Soler Summerville
Fullkrug

[THUNDERCLINT]

And if unbeaten International managers are so rare why have Spain had 2 since Sloppy? A chimp throwing dart at a team sheet would win most of their qualifers.

[THUNDERCLINT]

No, I asked you to reason why you've chosen them. Anyone can list the current flavours of the month. I asked you to justify your choice but you keep swerving that. 

[goose]

But they're not ridiculous. He only managed qualifers and friendlies for Spain, going unbeaten through those doesn't take a genius The Europa at Seville, is a trophy that over the last decade has become written in the club's DNA, they've won it again since Sloppy, it's almost a habit. Takes real talent to shit the bed a Madrid. Simple fact is Sloppy has done nothing at club of over standing or ambition, Fonseca has which is why I'd hire him. Still waiting for your eational behind a choice. Any dullard can list names. And we’re not getting Silva, it's sideways move which risks tarnishing his brand when a big job calls.

Unbeaten international managers are few and far between. They had the best qualifying record in Europe.

There are many Sevilla managers who haven’t delivered back to back top 4 finishes and won the European trophy.

Fonseca has choked at the only two team he’s managed in comparable leagues. You’re basically saying “I don’t want lopetegui because he’s shit, let’s replace him with an equally shit Fonseca’.

You asked for names, I’ve given you 3. Is there a pre approved list for me to pick from?

[Sir Alf]

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oh gawd. This on
Todibo !!!

If true ( not much is nowadays on the web so pinch of salt but supposedly from an insider at WHU )

”Supporters have demanded that the Frenchman should start in the Irons’ defence but it has been shared that Lopetegui “thinks Todino is not tough enough for the Premier League”.

So why did Steidten spend all month chasing him?

[THUNDERCLINT]

But they're not ridiculous. He only managed qualifers and friendlies for Spain, going unbeaten through those doesn't take a genius The Europa at Seville, is a trophy that over the last decade has become written in the club's DNA, they've won it again since Sloppy, it's almost a habit. Takes real talent to shit the bed a Madrid. Simple fact is Sloppy has done nothing at club of over standing or ambition, Fonseca has which is why I'd hire him. Still waiting for your eational behind a choice. Any dullard can list names. And were not getting Silva, it's sideways move which risks tarnishing his brand when a big job calls.

[goose]

We did miss a trick but that's done now. Unbeaten with Spain, meh who isn't in qualifers and friendly games, this is rhetorical by the way so no need to bore me further with a run down of every cսnt who has ever held the job. Won the Europa league with Seville, who hasn't, again rhetorical. I'll tell who won fuck all with Madrid though...quite an achievement that one. So who would you appoint today that is attainable and your reasoning, or is that beyond you?

Rhetorical because you know both are ridiculous points.
As is the question about my choice, nobody knows if Silva would say yes or no if offered the job.
Same for Michel at Girona or the guy at Stuttgart etc etc etc

but definitely not Fonseca.

[THUNDERCLINT]

We did miss a trick but that's done now. Unbeaten with Spain, meh who isn't in qualifers and friendly games, this is rhetorical by the way so no need to bore me further with a run down of every cսnt who has ever held the job. Won the Europa league with Seville, who hasn't, again rhetorical. I'll tell who won fuck all with Madrid though...quite an achievement that one. So who would you appoint today that is attainable and your reasoning, or is that beyond you?

[roltrader]

He's shit.

[Sir Alf]

The morning after and still no “crumbs of comfort” surfacing anywhere for me. Yesterday was a repeat of the Zola, Bilic and Pellegrini attempts to play like the better teams, keep the ball, pass and move etc but, as was the case for them too, at the cost of being totally open and exposed in defence.

Is it that we have not recruited well enough for some key positions like centre mid and central foward areas? I think in part its that.  But also tactics and formation were all wrong yesterday against a good, fast counter attacking team.  A lot of goals we have conceded this season have been attackers getting in behind our back line down the sides or thru our static CBs

i watched Arsenal in the week. Their pressing was relentless and Partey, Rice, Martinelli even Saka and their german forward were all helping with pressing the opposition ( Atalanta) . Soon as they lost  possession, they were all sprinting as fast as possible to get back in shape behind the ball and restricted Atalanta to few chances.

If we want to keep the ball and play out of defence we need more pace IMO but also every player pressing.  We have the oldest squad and our central midfield is one paced whoever is picked.  But there was also no sign or demands on our team to bust a gut to get back etc when we lost it.

The coach ( Sloppy as he is now getting called ) needs to recognize the pace and intensity of the Premiership is unforgiving and whether Rodriguez, Alvarez, Paqueta, Soler or Irving or Soucek are actually capable of playing the way he’s setting up? The answer yesterday was clearly no. We dont want to go full Moyesball but he has to get us more compact and full backs deeper and protect the flanks better too. Perhaos we dont have all the type of players we need to play such a high line yet? 

Amd Paqueta, he remains a liability IMO and needs to play deeper if picked as he did at the start of last season. He can be creative when we counter but he aint a De Bryne or Silva who can open teams up when they sit back. He just turns it over most the time. 

So much also now resting on the success of Todibo. Worry is yhat he looked poor and lost in his one half against Bournemouth. But have to pray he was very unfit. Reportedly he’s the strong, physical, fast, athletic CB we desperately need.

Up top? I’d be tempted to give Kudus a go. He’s strong, fast and reportedly wants to play centrally. Sure he aint a “back to goal” type striker but has the pace and strength to run off the shoulder of CBs

But Im like most, waiting to see a sign we can improve and how we can be effective. I hope Sloppy Loppy surprises us Wednesday in a good way but also have that sinking feeling now as was the case with Zola, Bilic and Pellegrini although to their credit, they at least had one decent season before their tactics, inadequate squad led to terminal decline  

[goose]

Winning the Europa league, back to back CL qualification and unbeaten as an international manager far outweighs anything Fonseca has done.

We missed a trick last season when Glasner & Silva were both in play.

[Ladysmith]

I said it along, I would have rather stuck with Moyes

[THUNDERCLINT]

He hasn't achieved more at all. If Foncesa failed at Roma, so did Sloppy at Porto. The Spainish jobs are were in those days no more than a point and click adventure. For Seville, see Lille for Milan, see West Ham. Madrid v Shaktar, jobs where trophies are not expected but demanded. One failed horrifially, the other suceeded. Fonseca does have form for doing yhe job we want, which is elevating a club to European football whilst playing attractive attacking football. I'd offer him the job, I've given my reasons for doing so and Istand by my choice. You've just admitted you don't want Sloppy so do likewise, name your man and tell me why. 

[goose]

5th for Roma is like finishing 5th with Liverpool or Arsenal. I see you ignored the following season.
They conceded 140 goals in his 102 games. I seem to recall them getting done for 6 or 7 at old Trafford under him.

Lopetegui has achieved more and at a higher level, but I’m not defending his record here (I’d rather he wasn’t our manager but I don’t get to pick).

You want a guy who’s not won a major trophy, failed at Roma and is failing pretty spectacularly at Milan.
Defensively all over the place in both those jobs - with our defence he wouldn’t last a month.
 

[THUNDERCLINT]

Hmm, embarrassed myself...I said I'd employ Fonseca not the Cowley brothers. It'ss not working out in Milan but that happens to alot of managers, his Lille team were excellent and better than anything on Sloppy's CV. He'd have been my choice in the summer and I'll stand by that. 

 

Fonseca has never won anything of note.
Lopetegui has and least won a major trophy.
Fonseca was a car crash at Roma. Funnily enough the Milan fans didn’t want Lopetegui or Fonseca - I make them right.

 

 

Car crash at Roma, 5 in his first season and Europa League Semi the year after, sounds like bumping to a trolley at the supermarket type of car crash to me. He's won a lot more than Sloppy's solitary pot although the gravitas of those trophies is open to debate I'll grant you. Although contrast Fonseca's 3 doubles in 3 years in Donetsk with Sloppy's actual car crash at Madrid, a place were 3 doubles in 3 years should also have been a real possibility after 3 consecutive Champions Leagues.  However, Fonseca does have a great record of elevating clubs beyond their station. Took both Pacos and Braga into Europe, Lille were a joy to watch and he has clearly defined his own style of attacking football. Interestly there also playing a massive derby today, let's see if they surrender as meekly as we did yesterday. Obviously I'd take Alsono first but I live in the real World. We'll likely only get Fonseca should he be sacked, I don't think he'd have come in the summer but I would have pursued him as the primary target ih the hope of persuading him. Of the potentially available opintions should we move Sloppy on, and I think it would be negligent not to, I'd take Fonseca. 

[Percy Dalton]

A good coach learns from his mistakes an indifferent one keeps repeating the same stuff time will tell what sort of coach we've got.
 

[Takashi Miike]

the deep rooted issue is we're still playing shit football, the players look like they've only just met (rather than a cohesive team that train together), and the manager appears to have zero clue how to improve it

[threesixty]

Fucking hell I see the low IQ crew are already wanting the manager out, fucking get a grip you embarrassing cunts.

Gets until January at least for me. I think he's gonna get us playing. 

A delusional post.

'Loser Lop' only achieves one thing wherever he goes, and that is the sack (Porto, Real Madrid, Sevilla). Wolves is the only cub job he hasn't been sacked from and that is only because he had a hissy fit and threw his toys out of the pram over the transfer budget after half a season there. He would have inevitably been been sacked from that job too before too long.

I looked over his career history yesterday and saw Real Madrid fired him at the end of October 2018 following a dismal start to the 2018-2019 season after they hired him in summer 2018. They don't mess about there, they know a dud manager when they see one.

 

 

Very few managers don’t get the sack. 
Madrid have sacked Del Bosque, Ancelloti, Pellegrini etc etc 
getting sacked from Madrid is not a big deal. It’s a political club. 

He’s a proven competent manager. That’s all. Most managers are serial failures by definition. But this guy has won major throphies and had big jobs. 

I think that’s what we need. Competence. I’m not thinking we should have the next Guardiola. 

a 3-0 drubbing is an issue if it happens the next game and then the next. Otherwise in this league it’s a bad day at the office rather than some deep rooted issue. We have been pretty tight defensively this season. This looks like an anomaly  

[SUM A DING WONG]

Fucking hell I see the low IQ crew are already wanting the manager out, fucking get a grip you embarrassing cunts.

Gets until January at least for me. I think he's gonna get us playing. 

A delusional post.

'Loser Lop' only achieves one thing wherever he goes, and that is the sack (Porto, Real Madrid, Sevilla). Wolves is the only cub job he hasn't been sacked from and that is only because he had a hissy fit and threw his toys out of the pram over the transfer budget after half a season there. He would have inevitably been been sacked from that job too before too long.

I looked over his career history yesterday and saw Real Madrid fired him at the end of October 2018 following a dismal start to the 2018-2019 season after they hired him in summer 2018. They don't mess about there, they know a dud manager when they see one.

 

 

I tell you what, COYI you’re not wrong.

Weve been ‘Champions of Europe’ like Real Madrid , in recent history.

Why the fuck are we wasting time on Lopetugui.


Guardiola surely, has had enough of Manchester. And all the off field shenanigans must be taking it’s toll.

What do you reckon? 

Shirley,  we could entice him with lure of the bright lights of London!

[XKhammer]

Early days,yes shit start but things could pick up

[goose]

Hmm, embarrassed myself...I said I'd employ Fonseca not the Cowley brothers. It'ss not working out in Milan but that happens to alot of managers, his Lille team were excellent and better than anything on Sloppy's CV. He'd have been my choice in the summer and I'll stand by that. 

 

 

Fonseca has never won anything of note.
Lopetegui has and least won a major trophy.
Fonseca was a car crash at Roma. Funnily enough the Milan fans didn’t want Lopetegui or Fonseca - I make them right.

[THUNDERCLINT]

He's not getting us playing. The last 40 minutes yesterday was just pitiful, you could see the Chelsea players trying not to laugh at how easy it was. They could have got more but when it's that easy there's no pride in doing so,  they shut up shop and saved their energy for bigger challenges and we still couldn't lay a glove on them. When the signs are this obvious you have act. Wait till January, might as well just forfeit the season refund the season tickets and start the fire sale.

[Come On You Irons]

Fucking hell I see the low IQ crew are already wanting the manager out, fucking get a grip you embarrassing cunts.

Gets until January at least for me. I think he's gonna get us playing. 

A delusional post.

'Loser Lop' only achieves one thing wherever he goes, and that is the sack (Porto, Real Madrid, Sevilla). Wolves is the only cub job he hasn't been sacked from and that is only because he had a hissy fit and threw his toys out of the pram over the transfer budget after half a season there. He would have inevitably been been sacked from that job too before too long.

I looked over his career history yesterday and saw Real Madrid fired him at the end of October 2018 following a dismal start to the 2018-2019 season after they hired him in summer 2018. They don't mess about there, they know a dud manager when they see one.

[threesixty]

Are we not overreacting a little here?
He got his setup massively wrong with the wingback thing yes. But in our other games we’ve looked pretty good defensively. 

I think he experimented here and that’s why he was so angry, more with himself than anything else. 

He picked the team more or less everyone said he should pick besides Mavro, so I don’t think he’s not sensible. He will change things unlike Moyes who’s ego meant he’d rather lose 3 games in a row than admit he was wrong. 

I don’t think you need magic to manage in this league. You just need competence. Maybe he’s not a young dynamic manager and that’s a problem. But in terms of basics of the job the guy has managed clubs fairly successfully for a while. I think we should relax a bit.