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Do you believe in God?
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I believe in the concept of God... Have yet to find proof of existence of one or more Gods..
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I believe in the concept of God... Have yet to find proof of existence of one or more Gods..
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- WHU(Exeter)
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- Hammer and Pickle
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- Hammer and Pickle
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"HP ""So that leaves me with meditation, or rather just stopping all activity for a time and focusing my attention on creating a space for sensing God on a physical level; that is, opening up and surrendering to God as a subject"" Are you not possibly ascribing a sense of well being brought about by the activity of your endocrine system (achieved by your method of meditation) to the existence of God."
- Hammer and Pickle
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"I’ve found that a honest, mental enquiry into the existence of God delivers a valuable lesson about the limitations of the mind, which works best when it has concrete objects belonging to the world of things to identify, analyse and categorise. Faced with God considered as a thing, I have found the best the mind can do is come up with pure abstractions like the synthetic a priori and the only practical conclusion coming from it, which is the Categorical Imperative and the basis of all logically sound moral constructs. All the rest is religious dogma like the Bible, Commandments, catechism and sacraments, and these, for all their worth, require the sacrifice of logic on the altar of faith. So there the mind ends up betraying itself. Another way is the phenomenological path, which is all about accepting that God is just unknowable as a thing unlike all other things; all fair enough but somewhat boring, sterile and limited. So that leaves me with meditation, or rather just stopping all activity for a time and focusing my attention on creating a space for sensing God on a physical level; that is, opening up and surrendering to God as a subject. I find this tends to work a lot better than thinking about the existence of God though there is nothing wrong with that as I have already said."
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My two penneth worth. The fact that we cannot conceive of the eternal because everything in our frame of reference is finite does not demonstrate the existence of god 2. Something may come to light which sheds new light on the question . Religion is based on local books written by local people and has very little to do with God which have as much to do with social engineering and/or attempts to define and affect morality and social mores and norms by the social thinkers of those periods as they do with God.
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Don't know if any of you chaps have seen a YouTuber called nonstampcollector but his animations on the subject seem pretty spot on. Check out his cartoon on Yahweh. Another excellent observation is Noahs Ark. It's ok they're quite short ?üòä
- Hammer and Pickle
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"Religion without God exists and is a terrible thing: ugly, evil, cynical people obsessed with power and the satisfaction of the basest needs worming their way around horrible tight bureaucracies until they finally die. It is sometimes literally hell on Earth."
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It's a basic human instinct to wonder at our existence and the world we live in. Did a god create all that? Perhaps it's an advanced civilisation but then who created them? Who knows? All we do know is that we exist. Our planet and countless trillions of other world's exist in our universe. There are probably countless other universes but who created those? One thing is for certain is that the god of all the organised religions certainly had fuck all to do with any of it...
- easthammer
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"Coffee 11.50 Yes, you are correct God and Religion are not the same thing. Thirty or so years ago (in my 40s) I had a conversation with a C of E Priest, it went a bit like this: Priest: "" Have you ever thought about becoming ""Confirmed"" Me: ""Not really, I am not that Religious"" Priest: "" Neither am I"" The conversation continued and some weeks/months later I was confirmed. I became an active churchgoer, but like that Priest, I was not and have never considered myself Religious. This meant from time to time I have found myself at odds with some of a more religious persuasion. I guess if I were to label myself it would be as an Agnostic Christian, A term which many, both Religious types and Atheists will struggle to accept as a valid position. But for me, it is a comfortable position. As someone, who believes that there is a creative loving God it frees me to seek and attempt to understand answers to the questions you raise about purpose and suffering, unfettered by religious dogma. Where does my belief in God originate? Maybe a God Gene, maybe socialisation, I just don't know but I have it. But it didn't come from religion or fear. Ps I have found some partial answers to your difficult questions and a mustard seed of faith that God exist"
- Hammer and Pickle
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Of course I do but it’s going to take at least a 15-year global fishing moratorium for it to make even a partial comeback
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"God is just another fucked up thing invented by humans, same as invisible lines over the planet, religion, race, money etc etc What do they all have in common? Humans fight over each of them. So do I believe in god? No...Mainly because I'm not crazy."
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"Wils I used “uneducated” in the sense of the earliest civilisations around 2,000 - 5000 years ago. Before science had worked out a little of the universe to educate the masses with."
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"Darlo Debs wrote... ""Wills to be fair that stat relates specifically to.Britain Would be interested to.know if that kind of study has been done in.other countries."" There were several other studies for other countries in the link from my post. Ireland for example has the opposite correlation. Personally I don't think you can draw any conclusions from the veracity of the claims or a religion from the education level of it's followers. Religions grow when high status people are seen to be followers. This is what happened when the Roman emperor Constantine adopted Christianity and it spread through the Roman empire. Early 20th Century it was the educated upper middle class that became non-religious and the working-class soon followed. Now (in Britain) the working class are solidly non-religious. But the educated are more likely to be Christian (specifically Catholic). As I said, I don't think that tells you much as it changes by generation.. ""Bullivant identifies a generational shift in terms of education and religious affiliation. Among older nones, a high proportion had degree-level education. But the nones’ above-average levels of higher education fade further down the age groups. Thus the non-religious have the lowest levels of degree-level education among 25- to 34-year-olds and 35- to 44-year-olds. (The proportion of graduates is highest among Catholics and the ​non-Christian religions, he notes.)"" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/13/uk-losing-faith-religion-young-reject-parents-beliefs"
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"Coffee 1:25 Fri Dec 1 I hear you and I (think) I understand you. However, a friend has just turned up (from Japan) and we've shared a skinful of Singha/Chang, so I hope, by the morning to be able respond with a semblance of sense. Short window though, as one of the local doctors is taking us on a pussy hunt tomorrow (he's fallen for a (drop-dead gorgeous bar-girl in Buri Ram, but has forgotten her phone number) ) and we are his moral support in his quest.) Repeat on Sunday, but with football involved."
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Wills to be fair that stat relates specifically to.Britain Would be interested to.know if that kind of study has been done in.other countries.
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"“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” Richard Dawkins"
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"LT, Ok but 99 percent of the time it is. You are very rarely going to get a Religious person who doesn’t believe in God."
- Lee Trundle
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"""but Religion and God are always linked together."" Not always. Deism is where you believe in a creator (a ""god"") but there's no religion, the ""god"" has no authority and the god doesn't get involved with humans in anyway."
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"Can anyone of a Christian bent explain why they say The Father, The Son, in the hole he goes at Cremations? I mean I understand it for burials..."