Lopetegui (sacked 8.1.2025)

[maverick180]

I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season

Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit

We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge

But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask

[North Bank]

Maverick just for balance that team that went down in 2003 included three kids, Carrick & Defoe both 21 and Defoe who was 20, we had no left back until Janiary thanks to Brown, where we signed Brevitt the 32 year old freebie, ditto we had no strikers for large parts of that season. as Kanoute got injured and DiCanio threw his toys out of the pram after a spat with Roeder, so signed the 36 year old Ferdinand to keep us up, lets not even e started on our centre backs Dailly & Repka, it's amazing we got 42 points.

As for Lopetegui, he wasn't my first choice, but he has a decent pedigree, hamprered by inheriting a thin ageing squad and a host of new players who need to be integrated into the squad and up to speed with the Premier League, which will be alien to what many of them have played in with the pace and physicality of it, we've been beaten by three good sides at home and are unbeaten away, so imho we should give him some time to build a team as talk of relegation will only come from the likes of COYI and who takes him seriously.

My one gripe is his insistence on playng Kudus out wide on the left, but that's due to playing Paqueta as the ten, I'd start him on the left where he was effective last season as was Emerson who had a good undrestanding with him and play Kudus throuh the middle and the sooner we can get Fullkrug on the pitch the better as we are desperate for a proper striker upfront

[Maverick180180]

Our squad under Roeder should’ve had zero chance of doing down
as did the Leeds squad that followed us 

I dunno what there is to learn from, from the point of view you’re getting at??? When in our history have we ever been managed by the lunatic that’s currently in charge?

if there’s anything to learn from it’s Roeder proved you can get any team relegated if you don’t select your best players, which is exactly what this Spanish prick does week in week out 

[Lee Trundle]

So vs a proper benchmark we’re 5 points vs 4 points.

Not sure why you automatically write off the other games, but you're basically saying we're 1 point better off than last season with teams like Brentford, Fulham and Palace.  But minus £150m in the bank.

[Manuel]

FMOB do some ever learn?? Every year I hear the big R word by minges on here, incredible. The chances of us going down are practically zero. Turn it in, ffs.

[Rossal]

We won't be anywhere near a relegation fight as the season pans out, I reckon.

I worry we won't be anywhere near finishing 10th or above.  I think we'll be miles off that and in the group of teams like Bournemouth, Everton and Palace finishing in the lower part of the league.


 

Well if we lose on sat we then have Spurs away and Man Utd who could have a new boss by then. 

The way we are looking everyone is assuming we will be ok but based on what? The team looks an absolute mess. We can't attack, can't defend......the manager is making 2 subs at half time every week as the selection and tactics are a mess and it looks like he can't get a tune out of our best players. 

Then Kudus, Paqueta look fucked off at the weekend. 

We are an absolute basket case at the moment, Sullivan has got the managerial appointment wrong but as it will cost money to sack and replace I suspect we are going to have a season on par with last year unfortunately 

[Maverick180180]

It’s baffling why Sullivan spent big and then fucked it all up by going cheap on the manager 
I fail to see the point 

it’s like buying a Ferrari and then letting Harvey Price park it up 

[Maverick180180]

Takashi 
as I stated earlier 
I had absolutely no interest in giving this bloke a chance once I saw his team selection for the opening game 
I’ve seen it before with Graham Taylor 
and I’m seeing it again 
His diabolical selections aren’t a one off
he’s done it in every game 
I defy anyone to find a single West Ham fan who can name one game so far where they think he’s played the strongest side he could 
why are we putting up with this from someone who’s supposed to know what they’re doing?
the only way we’re going to see a better style of football and better results than what Moyes got is to sack this clown and hire a manager that actually knows about football and doesn’t just happen to be a Will Salthouse client 

[Takashi Miike]

and let's be clear, no cսnt wanted Grant, Allardyce, Pellegrini, Moyes or the current manager but Sullivan doesn't give a shit what you want. it's his toy, and he'll continue to interfere until he either dies or sells up. the only time we've played exciting football under his ownsership, he couldn't wait to replace the manager. It suits him having unpopular managers as it keeps the attention away from him and tits mcgee

[onsideman]

If, as has been stated, he was observing us for 6 months before taking the job then he really has no excuses... not for not replacing both full backs, not for not replacing and continuing to play Antonio, not for offering Cresswell an extension, not for buying a left winger he likes, not for not buyng a central midfielder who makes himself an automatic first pick, not fir not buying central defensive players who render Mavropanos a squad player and not for having no clue what his best team is. The bloke is a fraud

[Takashi Miike]

maverick, to be fair you started this thread on the 18th August. you've never had any interest in giving the bloke a chance, and I'd agree the football is shit and certain team selections/substitutions are questionable, but comparable results to certain fixtures last year are better

[goose]

And finally goose I brought up those stats as I stated I believe he is the worst manager we’ve ever had in our history, and before someone tells me he’s no worse than Avram Grant I pointed out that his stats are worse 
now you say it’s too early to be looking at stats 
firstly if we were currently sitting in first wouldn’t we all be claiming what a great appointment this looks?
and secondly, considering I’m saying he’s worse than Grant, I think it’s quite relevant that he has worse stats than him despite having an infinitely better squad 
also those stats are still worse when you include all competitions which is 8 games, not 6 

but as I’ve stated throughout this post 
it’s his team selection that I’m basing everything on and have been proved right over the course of 8 games so far 

at what point are fans going to question these repetitive awful mistakes he keeps making???

Has he got to put Antonio in goal before some of us are allowed to state the obvious that we have someone in charge who doesn’t know what he’s doing 

 

Last time, data analysis isn’t for you.
If we were played 6 won 6, rightly he would be getting plaudits because it would be unheard of. Same if we’d lost 6, but we haven’t.

We’ve lost to City, Villa and Chelsea. We got 4 points from those games last season.
Aside from that we’ve won one and drawn two - all games we lost last season.

So vs a proper benchmark we’re 5 points vs 4 points.

[THUNDERCLINT]

Why is he still here? Threw away another 2 points at the weekend plus alienated our best player. Get him out now. To-fucking-day.

[Swiss.]

Watched the 2nd half of the Bournemouith game and was shocked by the lack of quality. We looked all over the shop. Very scrappy. I don't think a victory against Ipswich will help. My gut feeling is this guy isn't up to it and need to be replaced and soon.

[Lee Trundle]

We won't be anywhere near a relegation fight as the season pans out, I reckon.

I worry we won't be anywhere near finishing 10th or above.  I think we'll be miles off that and in the group of teams like Bournemouth, Everton and Palace finishing in the lower part of the league.

[Maverick180180]

There’s some sort of a myth that you have to wait and see before making a judgement in order to be a proper football fan 
and to some extent there is some truth in that 
as it can take time for teams to gel and get across a managers idea, much like Chelsea last year 
but then there’s the other end of the spectrum where fans recognise true dog shit when they see it 
Sullivan obviously should’ve sacked Grant and not giving him the whole season 
but at what point is a fan allowed to complain?
cos let’s face facts, any fan that claimed Grant was going to relegate us early on would’ve been told he was a knee jerker and got a load of abuse from some of the people on here, but they would’ve been spot on 

but here’s the truth of his tenure so far

awful performances - could be argued requires time to improve 

has no plan or any signs of a style of play other than we keep the ball more than last year - shouldn’t require any time to see what our new style of play is even if it doesn’t appear to work very well

shockingly bad team selections - shouldn’t be happening full stop

[Maverick180180]

And finally goose I brought up those stats as I stated I believe he is the worst manager we’ve ever had in our history, and before someone tells me he’s no worse than Avram Grant I pointed out that his stats are worse 
now you say it’s too early to be looking at stats 
firstly if we were currently sitting in first wouldn’t we all be claiming what a great appointment this looks?
and secondly, considering I’m saying he’s worse than Grant, I think it’s quite relevant that he has worse stats than him despite having an infinitely better squad 
also those stats are still worse when you include all competitions which is 8 games, not 6 

but as I’ve stated throughout this post 
it’s his team selection that I’m basing everything on and have been proved right over the course of 8 games so far 

at what point are fans going to question these repetitive awful mistakes he keeps making???

Has he got to put Antonio in goal before some of us are allowed to state the obvious that we have someone in charge who doesn’t know what he’s doing 
 

[goose]

Again you just don’t understand data.

If we had Palace first up and won that, is he suddenly the best West Ham manager in history? No. 
You need a proper data set or benchmark.

Go away & look at the LFL games last season and tell me how he’s doing.

Im not saying he’s done a great job, but 14th place and 5 points isn’t horrific and likely isn’t relegation form.

[Russ of the BML]

Indeed. This would be my eleven against Ipswich:

   Summerville                     Antonio                   Bowen

                                            Kudus

                      Paqueta                      Rodriguez

Emerson              Kilman                Todibo             Wan Bissaka

 

 

The only time Antonio has looked 'at it' this season is coming on against Liverpool. To be honest, he should have been nothing but an impact sub for the last 3 years, that has to be his only role now.

For me, we have to persist with Bowen up front. To be honest, it's not like he's playing well on the right, and he's the best finisher at the club, so we need to stick him up top and persist with it. Kudus deserves a run in his favoured position.

I'd also now give a run to Soler further forward, from what we've seen he's obviously good on the ball, and why not, no one else is pulling up trees. 



Summerville                    Bowen                         Kudus

                                            Soler

                        Paqueta                     Alvarez

Emerson              Kilman                Todibo             Wan Bissaka

Fair enough that. Decent side. I only went with Antonio as the Kraut is injured. But yeah, Bowen central works for me. 

[Maverick180180]

Well Lou Macari, Alan Irving and Trevor Brooking all managed a small amount of games for us

Lopetegui sits at the bottom of those as well

is it just a coincidence that the manager who’s making the worst team selections this club has ever seen sits rock bottom? Cos here’s a point with Trevor Brooking,
Roeder dropped Di Canio, without a doubt that decision got us relegated, bad team selection, that sound familiar????
Brooking came in for the last 3 games after we’d been playing shit all season, suddenly we was playing football again, Di Canio was back on the pitch and we almost stayed up, Brooking picked up 7 points in those 3 games, one of those games we won being against one of the best teams in the league in Chelsea
was that all coincidence????
would we of picked up 7 points in those games with Roeder in charge and no Di Canio on the pitch?

Theres nothing retarded about calling out a manager as being shit for picking players that shouldn’t be playing or being played in the wrong positions when you have better options 

[goose]

Goose I told you before you’re a narcissistic cսnt that only argues for the sake of arguing 
I stated that Lopetegui currently has the worst stats of any West Ham manager 
you proceeded to tell me I was incorrect 
so when I then proved it 
you’re now changing it to you can’t go off of 6 games 

why don’t you just fuck off, you’re an irritating cսnt who doesn’t actually like the new manager but then decides to stick up for him depending on who’s cunting him off

 

Haha dry your eyes you drip.

I didn’t say you were incorrect, just that you shouldn’t work with data.
Your use of data is retarded. Using such a small sample is retarded………. All of which data leads me to believe that you are retarded.

[Maverick180180]

Russ my reasons for having no faith in the guy comes from his team selections
i was appalled at who he picked to play from game 1, that’s what this post was originally about 
I’ve seen it before
namely, Graham Taylor when he got the England job.
The first squad he picked was a disgrace 
laughable players being selected
Carlton Palmer being the one that always sticks out to me 
I wanted him gone instantly, wasn’t interested in giving him any time, when a manager can’t identify poor players from good ones it’s never going to work cos the manager is a moron
Taylor proved that time and again during his tenure and has gone down in history as one of if not the worst England manager of all time
I feel exactly the same way about this bloke 
I think every West Ham fan knows his selections have been shocking 
but for me, what’s more shocking is people giving him the benefit of the doubt, this is supposed to be a professional football manager, not some new employee being trained up 
I can give a manager time for performances to improve but I’ve no interest in giving a manager time when it comes to selection, that should be known instantly 

[Full Rug]

Indeed. This would be my eleven against Ipswich:

   Summerville                     Antonio                   Bowen

                                            Kudus

                      Paqueta                      Rodriguez

Emerson              Kilman                Todibo             Wan Bissaka

 

 

 

The only time Antonio has looked 'at it' this season is coming on against Liverpool. To be honest, he should have been nothing but an impact sub for the last 3 years, that has to be his only role now.

For me, we have to persist with Bowen up front. To be honest, it's not like he's playing well on the right, and he's the best finisher at the club, so we need to stick him up top and persist with it. Kudus deserves a run in his favoured position.

I'd also now give a run to Soler further forward, from what we've seen he's obviously good on the ball, and why not, no one else is pulling up trees. 



Summerville                    Bowen                         Kudus

                                            Soler

                        Paqueta                     Alvarez

Emerson              Kilman                Todibo             Wan Bissaka

[Tomshardware]

Too early to be using stats like that, give the bloke a chance.

[Russ of the BML]

Wouldn’t start Antonio or Rodriguez 
don’t think either are good enough to start in the premier league 
but agree with the rest of the team

and yeah there are quite a few players that aren’t performing, but at the end of the day it’s down to the manager to motivate them and get the best out of them, also I think a lot of it is down to tactics and the lack of pace in this team, there’s only so much a player can do when there’s no one making any runs or trying to find any space, having 2 defensive midfielders is absolutely killing us, regardless of which 2 he picks from Rodriguez, Alvarez or Soucek, none posses any pace, the ability for quick passing or any sort of creativity 
the fact it’s making no difference to the amount of goals we’re letting in whilst at the same time completely stifling our attacking options, it’s another huge issue that this manager is creating himself 
I personally can’t wait for him to get the bullet, just hope it doesn’t take too long, I have no faith whatsoever that this bloke can turn it around, we’ll only improve because we can’t get any worse but I don’t think it’ll be enough to avoid a relegation fight 

 

All fair points. 100% agree with your assessment.

Although I am not yet totally convinced Lope cannot turn it around and get a tune from this squad. Although, I may well be after the Ipswich game. And they actually looked decent at the weekend. 

[Maverick180180]

Goose I told you before you’re a narcissistic cսnt that only argues for the sake of arguing 
I stated that Lopetegui currently has the worst stats of any West Ham manager 
you proceeded to tell me I was incorrect 
so when I then proved it 
you’re now changing it to you can’t go off of 6 games 

why don’t you just fuck off, you’re an irritating cսnt who doesn’t actually like the new manager but then decides to stick up for him depending on who’s cunting him off