I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season
Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit
We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge
But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask
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threesixty
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What intrigues me about people who would prefer Moyes back is what do you enjoy about watching football?
If it’s just the results that matter and not the actual football itself why even watch a whole match? What do you get out of it? Might as well just watch match of the day and you’d be happy.
So how do you handle sitting there watching terrible football for those one or two against the run of play moments that got us wins? (Stats say we had lowest possession percentages in the whole league so pretty much never in control of any matches under most of Moyes’ reign).
I find it odd. Wins are necessary to stay in the top
comps I absolutely get. But I only want to be in the top competitions so I can watch good football. Makes no sense otherwise.
If it’s just the results that matter and not the actual football itself why even watch a whole match? What do you get out of it? Might as well just watch match of the day and you’d be happy.
So how do you handle sitting there watching terrible football for those one or two against the run of play moments that got us wins? (Stats say we had lowest possession percentages in the whole league so pretty much never in control of any matches under most of Moyes’ reign).
I find it odd. Wins are necessary to stay in the top
comps I absolutely get. But I only want to be in the top competitions so I can watch good football. Makes no sense otherwise.
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Lee Trundle
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Re: Lopetegui
Have you bothered watching any games this season, Nutsin?
Or have you been down the beach like most of the games like last season?
Or have you been down the beach like most of the games like last season?
Re: Lopetegui
I see the wanky fringe are beginning to panic.
Still a bit early to call to be fair, I’d say the fakes wills be out by end of October if things don’t change sharpish.
yeah, I get why you hate Moyes, all that European football was just too many games.
Still a bit early to call to be fair, I’d say the fakes wills be out by end of October if things don’t change sharpish.
yeah, I get why you hate Moyes, all that European football was just too many games.
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Mad Ferret
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Re: Lopetegui
Losing with flair?
Have you actually watched us? We can barely string a pass together at times.
Have you actually watched us? We can barely string a pass together at times.
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Chip Shop Charlie
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Re: Lopetegui
I agree re. Moyes. Regardless of what happens with the new manager we needed to get ride of Moyes. He was slowly destroying the love i have for watching us play.
Regarding Lopetegui...at least we're losing with flair (a bit like during the 60's &70's)
Are you not entertained?
Regarding Lopetegui...at least we're losing with flair (a bit like during the 60's &70's)
Are you not entertained?
Re: Lopetegui
Lopetegui doesn’t know his best side or set up yet. He needs to work it quickly and the jury is very much out.
That said, we’ve lost three home games. One against City who we never ever beat, one against Chelsea which is a hit or miss fixture generally (but he did get it catastrophically wrong), and one against last years fourth placed team who have won 4 from 6. None of those are particularly a shock. Unbeaten away, so it’s not at sacking phase yet.
Irrespective, if he fails it does not mean moving Moyes on was wrong! It can be one right decision followed by a wrong one. As for him being a good man manager, christ. Russ rejects that notion perfectly.
That said, we’ve lost three home games. One against City who we never ever beat, one against Chelsea which is a hit or miss fixture generally (but he did get it catastrophically wrong), and one against last years fourth placed team who have won 4 from 6. None of those are particularly a shock. Unbeaten away, so it’s not at sacking phase yet.
Irrespective, if he fails it does not mean moving Moyes on was wrong! It can be one right decision followed by a wrong one. As for him being a good man manager, christ. Russ rejects that notion perfectly.
Re: Lopetegui
LJC wrote: ↑03 Oct 2024, 15:32 Don’t know if this is true on KUMB…Thu Oct 03, 2024 12:45 pmIt’s not at all overstated
He was sounded out about taking over close to a year ago. He was a guest at a home game, and following that spent months compiling a dossier on each squad player.
Whilst his ideas and methods may be very good, his man management and arrogant persona is ****ing dreadful and it’s not gone unnoticed. Say what you want about Moyes playing style, one thing he was great at is man management of his players.
Hes come in and single handedly destroyed what had been built up over a number of years. At a well run club, he’d be dismissed asap after Saturdays game. Unfortunately we aren’t so chances are he’ll still be here after the break, although with Bowen now dropped from the England squad, it might speed things up a bit, because he hasnt been happy for weeks
Moyes has his favourites and kept his squad small, ran them into the ground and his last two seasons it showed.
I'm sick of seeing the cսnt's name pop-up as if he never put a foot wrong.
I wanted him gone prior to the last World Cup, but I started to hate him after the surrender at Liverpool in the cup.
My personal thoughts on JLOP are I can see what he's trying to achieve, but his team selections are all over the place, he has no idea how to use Kudus and I can't understand how we've increased our defensive capabilities and are still easy to play though.
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I'm sick of seeing the cսnt's name pop-up as if he never put a foot wrong.
I wanted him gone prior to the last World Cup, but I started to hate him after the surrender at Liverpool in the cup.
My personal thoughts on JLOP are I can see what he's trying to achieve, but his team selections are all over the place, he has no idea how to use Kudus and I can't understand how we've increased our defensive capabilities and are still easy to play though.
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Re: Lopetegui
I think Sullivan learned his lesson after Avram Grant.
He’s been around football long enough to know how bad things really are behind closed doors and on the training ground.
Players will talk to agents or to Noble and in turn they talk to Sullivan.
If things are bad within the squad he’ll get rid.
He’s been around football long enough to know how bad things really are behind closed doors and on the training ground.
Players will talk to agents or to Noble and in turn they talk to Sullivan.
If things are bad within the squad he’ll get rid.
Re: Lopetegui
stubbo-admin wrote: ↑02 Oct 2024, 17:54 Sullivan seemingly will never lose his love for money, or shiny things.
As a result his decisions will always be based on what lines his pocket, or what strokes his ego.
He also comes across as insecure about getting things wrong, and as a result is over cautious and prizes past performance over the risk of identifying the next big thing.
And I'm sure I've heard him quoted in the past as believing managers have a 3 year shelf life, are bad at choosing players, and in the interview he clearly lacked respect for them as a collective profession.
Plus let's face it he's old, and we know how old people often feel about the latest and greatest young thing (unless that young thing is feigning deference to their elderly wisdom).
So when it comes to managers he'll never go for an Amorim....let alone PAY for one....and will always go for the out of work 'experienced' 'safe pair of hands' option...especially if they can hang some shiny baubles on their CV.
His history of managerial appointments is pretty clear about all of this.
Lopetegui just fit the mould.
This is what I fear and spot on about the history of managerial appointments. I still hope Loptegui can come good, but if it keeps going in the direction it has been, there can be no mistake what our biggest problem is. Every once in a while, we luck into a promising position as we did in Moyes' second season where champions league was a possibility with minor reinforcements in the January window, but we stuck with what we had because it was cheaper or there weren't any "deals".
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Takashi Miike
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Russ of the BML
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LJC wrote: ↑03 Oct 2024, 15:32 Don’t know if this is true on KUMB…Thu Oct 03, 2024 12:45 pmIt’s not at all overstated
He was sounded out about taking over close to a year ago. He was a guest at a home game, and following that spent months compiling a dossier on each squad player.
Whilst his ideas and methods may be very good, his man management and arrogant persona is ****ing dreadful and it’s not gone unnoticed. Say what you want about Moyes playing style, one thing he was great at is man management of his players.
Hes come in and single handedly destroyed what had been built up over a number of years. At a well run club, he’d be dismissed asap after Saturdays game. Unfortunately we aren’t so chances are he’ll still be here after the break, although with Bowen now dropped from the England squad, it might speed things up a bit, because he hasnt been happy for weeks
"Say what you want about Moyes playing style, one thing he was great at is man management of his players"
Oh fuck off.
Ignored Haller, Ignored Scamacca, pushed Benny out, pushed Vlasic out, fucked Fornals over, ignored Cornet, treated Kral like shit. And that's just off the top of my head. Players that never run themselves into the ground or offered us a different option to Moyes ball were treated like utter shit.
I simply cannot believe any West Ham fan would suggest any positive about Moyes man management style.
He had one playing style and used only players that slipped into that. If you didn't you were fucked right off. Don't fucking try and whitewash the truth.
Re: Lopetegui
Don’t know if this is true on KUMB…Thu Oct 03, 2024 12:45 pm
He was sounded out about taking over close to a year ago. He was a guest at a home game, and following that spent months compiling a dossier on each squad player.
Whilst his ideas and methods may be very good, his man management and arrogant persona is ****ing dreadful and it’s not gone unnoticed. Say what you want about Moyes playing style, one thing he was great at is man management of his players.
Hes come in and single handedly destroyed what had been built up over a number of years. At a well run club, he’d be dismissed asap after Saturdays game. Unfortunately we aren’t so chances are he’ll still be here after the break, although with Bowen now dropped from the England squad, it might speed things up a bit, because he hasnt been happy for weeks
It’s not at all overstated
He was sounded out about taking over close to a year ago. He was a guest at a home game, and following that spent months compiling a dossier on each squad player.
Whilst his ideas and methods may be very good, his man management and arrogant persona is ****ing dreadful and it’s not gone unnoticed. Say what you want about Moyes playing style, one thing he was great at is man management of his players.
Hes come in and single handedly destroyed what had been built up over a number of years. At a well run club, he’d be dismissed asap after Saturdays game. Unfortunately we aren’t so chances are he’ll still be here after the break, although with Bowen now dropped from the England squad, it might speed things up a bit, because he hasnt been happy for weeks
Re: Lopetegui
I mean he has got to have the worst track record of player acquisition and manager / coach appointments there has ever been in the history of the game.
Oh come on! Yeah he’s a meddling prick at times, but he’s not even close to the worst ever in the history of the game
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stubbo-admin
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Sullivan seemingly will never lose his love for money, or shiny things.
As a result his decisions will always be based on what lines his pocket, or what strokes his ego.
He also comes across as insecure about getting things wrong, and as a result is over cautious and prizes past performance over the risk of identifying the next big thing.
And I'm sure I've heard him quoted in the past as believing managers have a 3 year shelf life, are bad at choosing players, and in the interview he clearly lacked respect for them as a collective profession.
Plus let's face it he's old, and we know how old people often feel about the latest and greatest young thing (unless that young thing is feigning deference to their elderly wisdom).
So when it comes to managers he'll never go for an Amorim....let alone PAY for one....and will always go for the out of work 'experienced' 'safe pair of hands' option...especially if they can hang some shiny baubles on their CV.
His history of managerial appointments is pretty clear about all of this.
Lopetegui just fit the mould.
As a result his decisions will always be based on what lines his pocket, or what strokes his ego.
He also comes across as insecure about getting things wrong, and as a result is over cautious and prizes past performance over the risk of identifying the next big thing.
And I'm sure I've heard him quoted in the past as believing managers have a 3 year shelf life, are bad at choosing players, and in the interview he clearly lacked respect for them as a collective profession.
Plus let's face it he's old, and we know how old people often feel about the latest and greatest young thing (unless that young thing is feigning deference to their elderly wisdom).
So when it comes to managers he'll never go for an Amorim....let alone PAY for one....and will always go for the out of work 'experienced' 'safe pair of hands' option...especially if they can hang some shiny baubles on their CV.
His history of managerial appointments is pretty clear about all of this.
Lopetegui just fit the mould.
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Pshyco scored all 4
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Re: Lopetegui
Sullivans as useful as a pair of tits . On a goldfish. No one knows quite why their there . Only he knows .
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All that needs to be said about Sullivan has been said many times over.
He has, at approaching 80 years old, let go of some key decision making with regards to the football side of things ( eg, appointment of Steidten etc) but still has an unhealthy influence and say. Sure he’s the owner shareholder but why would he still think he knows better? I mean he has got to have the worst track record of player acquisition and manager / coach appointments there has ever been in the history of the game. But I suppose his psychological disorder or need ( « little man syndrome or narcissism or meglamania or whatever it is ) knows no bounds.
I do actually think he wants what’s best for West Ham but like a dying addict reaching for a drink, hit or needle, just cannot help himself. Will Salthouse ( or should we say Will Shithouse is his dealer ) tells him how great his client is and tells Sullivan how he is also great and the man to make the call on head coach? Who knows how it works but Sullivan goes for old and experienced every time ( even if that experience is dated or irrelevant ) and sees “ex Real Madrid and Spain national coach” and is seduced and deaf to any contrary advice. Its the same old “bling” thing like buying a 20 year old, fully loaded ( electric seats, mini bar ) large, Jag rather than a new, reliable, economic but standard Toyota suited to modern roads, traffic and eco requirements. Flash and appearance over practicality and fit for purpose.
As Den once described Ange in Eastenders…same for poor old Dave Sullivan “you try to be classy but always end up in a ‘Kissme quick’ hat”.
He has, at approaching 80 years old, let go of some key decision making with regards to the football side of things ( eg, appointment of Steidten etc) but still has an unhealthy influence and say. Sure he’s the owner shareholder but why would he still think he knows better? I mean he has got to have the worst track record of player acquisition and manager / coach appointments there has ever been in the history of the game. But I suppose his psychological disorder or need ( « little man syndrome or narcissism or meglamania or whatever it is ) knows no bounds.
I do actually think he wants what’s best for West Ham but like a dying addict reaching for a drink, hit or needle, just cannot help himself. Will Salthouse ( or should we say Will Shithouse is his dealer ) tells him how great his client is and tells Sullivan how he is also great and the man to make the call on head coach? Who knows how it works but Sullivan goes for old and experienced every time ( even if that experience is dated or irrelevant ) and sees “ex Real Madrid and Spain national coach” and is seduced and deaf to any contrary advice. Its the same old “bling” thing like buying a 20 year old, fully loaded ( electric seats, mini bar ) large, Jag rather than a new, reliable, economic but standard Toyota suited to modern roads, traffic and eco requirements. Flash and appearance over practicality and fit for purpose.
As Den once described Ange in Eastenders…same for poor old Dave Sullivan “you try to be classy but always end up in a ‘Kissme quick’ hat”.
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Pshyco scored all 4
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Really where did you hear that. No Czech Republic club can generate that kind of money. WHUFC on the other hand can .
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Pshyco scored all 4
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Only west ham united. Could have the 3rd richest owners and still plead poverty. And even worse plenty supporters buy into it . Steitden wanted amorim . Only for the two bob dwarf. To overule kretinsky someone with a wealth 12X of his . And appoints lopetegui instead. JL shouldn't be the target.
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Fauxstralian
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I think our defence has been improved or will be with Kilman , Todibo & AWB but the worrying thing is that our 3 most talented players (Paqueta, Bowen & Kudus) have been well short of their best.
Same with Emerson who had been excellent but this season has been a shadow & has come off every game or thereabouts
Same with Emerson who had been excellent but this season has been a shadow & has come off every game or thereabouts
Re: Lopetegui
All will be forgiven and forgotten if we smash Ipswich on Saturday!
Lose or even draw and the knives will be sharpened further!
Stuntman
Lose or even draw and the knives will be sharpened further!
Stuntman