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Cabbige Savage" wrote: ↑09 Oct 2024, 21:11 brexsit is a big fuck
it fuck Picjkles job doing the UK benny fit claim forms for bench crew
It fuck Picjkle selling the cheap cigarets back in to london.
It fuck Picjkle getting rent on hes cowncil flat in camberwell
How distressing. Must be a call for help from some seriously messed up individual.
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Ah the sovereignty argument - there really is no arguing with it if the EU is seen as a power colonising its members, which is of course arrant nonsense.
I’ll give up now as we really are not on the same page.
I’ll give up now as we really are not on the same page.
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Hammer and Pickle" wrote: ↑09 Oct 2024, 17:05 Sorry but what was Brexit for if it wasn't supposed to at least reduce immigration?
I would argue it was for self determination and sovereignty...which in the long term are good ideals and principles.
That doesn't mean it's not been a shambles, or that lots would change their mind in the aftermath, but taking away someone else's hold over you, even if the 'perks' that kept you under their control seem attractive, and enabling you to set your own path unencumbered have to be long term desirable.
In some ways (although I'm nervous saying it) it's a bit like countries formerly part of the British Empire choosing to break away and reclaim their own sovereignty. In the short to medium term, they have had issues with the loss of established governance and perks of 'membership', but in the longer term it removes constraints and let's them chart their own path, as well as that principle of freedom.
Just my thoughts on the 'why' anyway.
That doesn't mean it's not been a shambles, or that lots would change their mind in the aftermath, but taking away someone else's hold over you, even if the 'perks' that kept you under their control seem attractive, and enabling you to set your own path unencumbered have to be long term desirable.
In some ways (although I'm nervous saying it) it's a bit like countries formerly part of the British Empire choosing to break away and reclaim their own sovereignty. In the short to medium term, they have had issues with the loss of established governance and perks of 'membership', but in the longer term it removes constraints and let's them chart their own path, as well as that principle of freedom.
Just my thoughts on the 'why' anyway.
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Hammer and Pickle" wrote: ↑09 Oct 2024, 17:26Nurse Ratched" wrote: ↑09 Oct 2024, 17:21Hammer and Pickle" wrote: ↑09 Oct 2024, 17:05 Sorry but what was Brexit for if it wasn't supposed to at least reduce immigration?We did it just to annoy you.No shortage of success in that department, I’ll give you that.
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Nurse Ratched" wrote: ↑09 Oct 2024, 17:21Hammer and Pickle" wrote: ↑09 Oct 2024, 17:05 Sorry but what was Brexit for if it wasn't supposed to at least reduce immigration?We did it just to annoy you.
No shortage of success in that department, I’ll give you that.
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Hammer and Pickle" wrote: ↑09 Oct 2024, 17:05 Sorry but what was Brexit for if it wasn't supposed to at least reduce immigration?
We did it just to annoy you.
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Brexit was never going to solve illegal immigration. By definition that was already immigration we had legal control over and Brexit didn't add anything too (other than making some previously legal migration, now illegal based on country of origin).
It was also never going to put a stop on legal migration, since we already had legal power over non-European legal migration, and were choosing to do next to nothing to stem it.
So technically we now have additinal control over previusly legal, European migration, and some of this would now be deemed 'illegal' migration. Brexit has delivered that.
The 'con' is that no one in power (those that 'serve' us) has any real appetite to do anything about it. It's all soundbites to play to the crowd, and lets people think everyone is on the same page about slowing the influx, but the reality is the powers that have been available for long before Brexit were not being exercised, so why would new powers to control legal influx from an additional area of the world be used any more effectively?
It was also never going to put a stop on legal migration, since we already had legal power over non-European legal migration, and were choosing to do next to nothing to stem it.
So technically we now have additinal control over previusly legal, European migration, and some of this would now be deemed 'illegal' migration. Brexit has delivered that.
The 'con' is that no one in power (those that 'serve' us) has any real appetite to do anything about it. It's all soundbites to play to the crowd, and lets people think everyone is on the same page about slowing the influx, but the reality is the powers that have been available for long before Brexit were not being exercised, so why would new powers to control legal influx from an additional area of the world be used any more effectively?
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Swiss. wrote: ↑09 Oct 2024, 13:56Mike Oxsaw" wrote: ↑09 Oct 2024, 13:17We have got back control of the borders but the massive government clusterfuck AFTER Brexit in implementing that control, and therefore not actually a symptom of Brexit itself, is why we are now where we are.
However, remainers still seem to cling to the mistaken belief that Brexit, and not the follow-on government incompetence is the sole cause of illegal immigration.
I strongly suspect that the number of illegals arriving in the UK is about the same as it was before Brexit, but now there are border checks & inspections, many of those illegals are now forced to take the more scenic, photogenic route over, rather than arrive, undetected, in and on freight transport.
Oxbore and yes the while reason why I voted against Brexit. One thing is having an idea but implementing it is another. I'd like to have a threesome with Megan Fox and Margot Robbie. As to how I can implement this situation is another thing. That's why the Scots rejects Independence. Nice idea but no logistics.
Still in denial then. Simple fact is that Brexit and how the government handled the aftermath are two completely separate events.
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Mike Oxsaw" wrote: ↑09 Oct 2024, 13:17We have got back control of the borders but the massive government clusterfuck AFTER Brexit in implementing that control, and therefore not actually a symptom of Brexit itself, is why we are now where we are.
However, remainers still seem to cling to the mistaken belief that Brexit, and not the follow-on government incompetence is the sole cause of illegal immigration.
I strongly suspect that the number of illegals arriving in the UK is about the same as it was before Brexit, but now there are border checks & inspections, many of those illegals are now forced to take the more scenic, photogenic route over, rather than arrive, undetected, in and on freight transport.
Oxbore and yes the while reason why I voted against Brexit. One thing is having an idea but implementing it is another. I'd like to have a threesome with Megan Fox and Margot Robbie. As to how I can implement this situation is another thing. That's why the Scots rejects Independence. Nice idea but no logistics.
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Swiss. wrote: ↑09 Oct 2024, 12:54Massive Attack" wrote: ↑09 Oct 2024, 12:51Russ of the BML" wrote: ↑07 Oct 2024, 10:03Quite staggering considering we are an island off Europe. How is this even possible?Incompetent liberal Politicians.Can't be true. I mean after Brexit we took back control of our borders didn't we. What a bunch of fucking mugs you are. Can you all give me you mum's maiden's name, DOB and first pet's name please ?
We have got back control of the borders but the massive government clusterfuck AFTER Brexit in implementing that control, and therefore not actually a symptom of Brexit itself, is why we are now where we are.
However, remainers still seem to cling to the mistaken belief that Brexit, and not the follow-on government incompetence is the sole cause of illegal immigration.
I strongly suspect that the number of illegals arriving in the UK is about the same as it was before Brexit, but now there are border checks & inspections, many of those illegals are now forced to take the more scenic, photogenic route over, rather than arrive, undetected, in and on freight transport.
However, remainers still seem to cling to the mistaken belief that Brexit, and not the follow-on government incompetence is the sole cause of illegal immigration.
I strongly suspect that the number of illegals arriving in the UK is about the same as it was before Brexit, but now there are border checks & inspections, many of those illegals are now forced to take the more scenic, photogenic route over, rather than arrive, undetected, in and on freight transport.
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Massive Attack" wrote: ↑09 Oct 2024, 12:51Russ of the BML" wrote: ↑07 Oct 2024, 10:03BRANDED wrote: ↑07 Oct 2024, 06:50 Britain is home to more illegal migrants than any other European nation, a new study has found.
There are up to 745,000 illegal migrants in the UK, accounting for one in 100 of the population, according to the research led by Oxford University experts.
This is more than double the 300,000 in France and ahead even of the upper estimate of 700,000 in Germany, which has the second-largest population of illegal migrants in Europe.
The figures were disclosed as the Home Office said 973 migrants in 17 small boats crossed the English Channel on Saturday, the biggest daily number this year.
The total number of people to cross in 2024 is 26,612, up five per cent on 2023 at the same stage, but 21 per cent behind the record 33,611 at this point in 2022.Quite staggering considering we are an island off Europe. How is this even possible?Incompetent liberal Politicians.
Can't be true. I mean after Brexit we took back control of our borders didn't we. What a bunch of fucking mugs you are. Can you all give me you mum's maiden's name, DOB and first pet's name please ?
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Russ of the BML" wrote: ↑07 Oct 2024, 10:03BRANDED wrote: ↑07 Oct 2024, 06:50 Britain is home to more illegal migrants than any other European nation, a new study has found.
There are up to 745,000 illegal migrants in the UK, accounting for one in 100 of the population, according to the research led by Oxford University experts.
This is more than double the 300,000 in France and ahead even of the upper estimate of 700,000 in Germany, which has the second-largest population of illegal migrants in Europe.
The figures were disclosed as the Home Office said 973 migrants in 17 small boats crossed the English Channel on Saturday, the biggest daily number this year.
The total number of people to cross in 2024 is 26,612, up five per cent on 2023 at the same stage, but 21 per cent behind the record 33,611 at this point in 2022.Quite staggering considering we are an island off Europe. How is this even possible?
Incompetent liberal Politicians.
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it's like trying to find a seat on a packed train and all ending up standing up in the smoking carriage at the end.
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BRANDED wrote: ↑07 Oct 2024, 06:50 Britain is home to more illegal migrants than any other European nation, a new study has found.
There are up to 745,000 illegal migrants in the UK, accounting for one in 100 of the population, according to the research led by Oxford University experts.
This is more than double the 300,000 in France and ahead even of the upper estimate of 700,000 in Germany, which has the second-largest population of illegal migrants in Europe.
The figures were disclosed as the Home Office said 973 migrants in 17 small boats crossed the English Channel on Saturday, the biggest daily number this year.
The total number of people to cross in 2024 is 26,612, up five per cent on 2023 at the same stage, but 21 per cent behind the record 33,611 at this point in 2022.
Quite staggering considering we are an island off Europe. How is this even possible?
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Britain is home to more illegal migrants than any other European nation, a new study has found.
There are up to 745,000 illegal migrants in the UK, accounting for one in 100 of the population, according to the research led by Oxford University experts.
This is more than double the 300,000 in France and ahead even of the upper estimate of 700,000 in Germany, which has the second-largest population of illegal migrants in Europe.
The figures were disclosed as the Home Office said 973 migrants in 17 small boats crossed the English Channel on Saturday, the biggest daily number this year.
The total number of people to cross in 2024 is 26,612, up five per cent on 2023 at the same stage, but 21 per cent behind the record 33,611 at this point in 2022.
There are up to 745,000 illegal migrants in the UK, accounting for one in 100 of the population, according to the research led by Oxford University experts.
This is more than double the 300,000 in France and ahead even of the upper estimate of 700,000 in Germany, which has the second-largest population of illegal migrants in Europe.
The figures were disclosed as the Home Office said 973 migrants in 17 small boats crossed the English Channel on Saturday, the biggest daily number this year.
The total number of people to cross in 2024 is 26,612, up five per cent on 2023 at the same stage, but 21 per cent behind the record 33,611 at this point in 2022.