I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season
Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit
We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge
But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask
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southbankbornnbred
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With the exception of Avram Grant, I have never seen a West Ham manager look so out of his depth within such a short space of time. Even Roeder enjoyed a honeymoon period when his "tactics" were unknown to the rest of the Premier League.
But Lopetegui genuinely looks like a man who has dived into an ocean when the weather was lovely in summer only to realise there's no turning back, he's got to swim it, it's size of the Pacific and winter's coming. He looks overawed by the job already, within a matter of weeks. His choices have been terrible (although it's hard to tell whether he or Steidten chose certain players), his tactics are horrendous (that weird zonal thing with full-backs tucking tight to centre-halves is a disaster and looks like something you'd pick up on Football Manager, rather than the real world), and his relationship with certain players is already strained.
His interview after the game yesterday was that of a man who knows he's bitten off more than he can chew. He looked fucked, basically. You know when you join a new office and gradually get to know the team - and there's always one person who has been massively over-promoted to their post: it's Lopetegui.
He isn't going to work. Better to spot that now, admit defeat and start again - this time considering some proper managers who have tenure, rather than somebody who was clearly on the sausage for a reason.
But Lopetegui genuinely looks like a man who has dived into an ocean when the weather was lovely in summer only to realise there's no turning back, he's got to swim it, it's size of the Pacific and winter's coming. He looks overawed by the job already, within a matter of weeks. His choices have been terrible (although it's hard to tell whether he or Steidten chose certain players), his tactics are horrendous (that weird zonal thing with full-backs tucking tight to centre-halves is a disaster and looks like something you'd pick up on Football Manager, rather than the real world), and his relationship with certain players is already strained.
His interview after the game yesterday was that of a man who knows he's bitten off more than he can chew. He looked fucked, basically. You know when you join a new office and gradually get to know the team - and there's always one person who has been massively over-promoted to their post: it's Lopetegui.
He isn't going to work. Better to spot that now, admit defeat and start again - this time considering some proper managers who have tenure, rather than somebody who was clearly on the sausage for a reason.
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Maverick180180
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Re: Lopetegui
I think the noise from the fans is gonna be the only way to get this clown out
The bloke is so far out of his depth it’s unreal
anyone deluded enough to think he might still turn it around needs to wake up
players and managers succeed and fail in leagues that suit them and their style of play
the success he had as Seville does not translate to the premier league. He’s not even competent enough to put out a decent starting XI, and can’t seem to fathom that a lack of pace will destroy you over here
Above all I’d love to see the little cսnt Sullivan sell up but while he continues to refuse to do so, the very least he should be doing is sorting out this mess that he created, it’s time to get on his back again
The bloke is so far out of his depth it’s unreal
anyone deluded enough to think he might still turn it around needs to wake up
players and managers succeed and fail in leagues that suit them and their style of play
the success he had as Seville does not translate to the premier league. He’s not even competent enough to put out a decent starting XI, and can’t seem to fathom that a lack of pace will destroy you over here
Above all I’d love to see the little cսnt Sullivan sell up but while he continues to refuse to do so, the very least he should be doing is sorting out this mess that he created, it’s time to get on his back again
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Fauxstralian » 20 Oct 2024 06:56
totally agree.
I said initially wait 10 games and if still undecided till xmas to assess if Lopetegui
was the right man. Its clear after 10 games he is not the answer. Sullivan got it wrong again. Could Sullivan take a recommendation from someone else on the next manager / coach? Unlikely if Salthouse is still in his ear.
We need someone like the managers at Bournemouth , Brighton, and other less rich teams. Smart, progressive who understand the game as it is in 2024 and have tactics and psychological insights to pick players needed and get the best from them.
its looking desperate. The Ipswich win had some fortune in terms of timing of goals ( early each half ) and missed gilt edged chances by them ( Greaves header first half that woukd have put them ahead ) .
Fix the midfield. Probably take next summer but need a coach who can see it first. Loftus Cheek might be worth a punt in January although hardly the best injury record.
We cannot see Soucek, Paqueta starting and definitely not at the sa
me time along with the ine paced Rodruiguez who was at least able to compete with several last ditch tackles.
The season is a write off already by the looks of things because Sullivan wont act. He wont admit his choice was wrong. Steidten we dont know if he chose players or offered options based on areas Lopetegui felt needed improvement or he himself felt needed improvement. Well whoever it was they got it wrong for central midfield thinking just Soler needed adding ( must have been a Loppy choice ) and Fullkrug up top ( likely a Steidten suggestion when Sully would not risk 40 million on Duran).
So get the tin hats on again because we now have to wait for things to get worse before Sullivan will act. The Mancs will beat us next week but that wint be enough. A miserable season ahead and then Sullivan will get it wrong yet again unless he listens to someone else be that Steidten? Dont listen to Salthouse who will only recommend one of his clients or a coach or manager he can get a commission from hiring in some way.
We had the 2020/21 COVID season and half of the 2022 season and the Conference run in 2023 ( league form was dire by then ) where you could really enjoy being a West Ham fan. That period of about 18 months was the first in 40 odd years and now we are back with the normal underachievement and missed opportunity to go the next levek missed yet again
fvcking depressing. Running out of years some of us. Not expecting Euro Champs league every year but a team that can compete near the top 6
At least a lot of us can outlive Sullivan and have to hope we finally get someone intelligent to own us
totally agree.
I said initially wait 10 games and if still undecided till xmas to assess if Lopetegui
was the right man. Its clear after 10 games he is not the answer. Sullivan got it wrong again. Could Sullivan take a recommendation from someone else on the next manager / coach? Unlikely if Salthouse is still in his ear.
We need someone like the managers at Bournemouth , Brighton, and other less rich teams. Smart, progressive who understand the game as it is in 2024 and have tactics and psychological insights to pick players needed and get the best from them.
its looking desperate. The Ipswich win had some fortune in terms of timing of goals ( early each half ) and missed gilt edged chances by them ( Greaves header first half that woukd have put them ahead ) .
Fix the midfield. Probably take next summer but need a coach who can see it first. Loftus Cheek might be worth a punt in January although hardly the best injury record.
We cannot see Soucek, Paqueta starting and definitely not at the sa
me time along with the ine paced Rodruiguez who was at least able to compete with several last ditch tackles.
The season is a write off already by the looks of things because Sullivan wont act. He wont admit his choice was wrong. Steidten we dont know if he chose players or offered options based on areas Lopetegui felt needed improvement or he himself felt needed improvement. Well whoever it was they got it wrong for central midfield thinking just Soler needed adding ( must have been a Loppy choice ) and Fullkrug up top ( likely a Steidten suggestion when Sully would not risk 40 million on Duran).
So get the tin hats on again because we now have to wait for things to get worse before Sullivan will act. The Mancs will beat us next week but that wint be enough. A miserable season ahead and then Sullivan will get it wrong yet again unless he listens to someone else be that Steidten? Dont listen to Salthouse who will only recommend one of his clients or a coach or manager he can get a commission from hiring in some way.
We had the 2020/21 COVID season and half of the 2022 season and the Conference run in 2023 ( league form was dire by then ) where you could really enjoy being a West Ham fan. That period of about 18 months was the first in 40 odd years and now we are back with the normal underachievement and missed opportunity to go the next levek missed yet again
fvcking depressing. Running out of years some of us. Not expecting Euro Champs league every year but a team that can compete near the top 6
At least a lot of us can outlive Sullivan and have to hope we finally get someone intelligent to own us
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Manuel
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Re: Lopetegui
goose - Yep, if we remember Moyes had numerous so called must wins and he always won them, annoyingly sometimes, suspect Lop will do similar and get results against Forest and Everton that are up after Man Utd.
As I said, to an extent I can understand giving him more time as sacking a manager during a season, for us, is pretty much just writing the whole season off. Players Lop wanted will still be here, the new manager will want incomings, and then the whole process starts again with no guarantees the next bloke will be any better. It's not good. We needed this to work out, but it doesn't look like it will, as it ain't just a couple of tweaks, it's a complete mess from top to bottom with the manager bumbling his way through pressers, etc.
As I said, to an extent I can understand giving him more time as sacking a manager during a season, for us, is pretty much just writing the whole season off. Players Lop wanted will still be here, the new manager will want incomings, and then the whole process starts again with no guarantees the next bloke will be any better. It's not good. We needed this to work out, but it doesn't look like it will, as it ain't just a couple of tweaks, it's a complete mess from top to bottom with the manager bumbling his way through pressers, etc.
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Even if we get dry humped by man united next week they still won’t change.
There will always be a winnable fixture just around the corner. If Southampton or Ipswich were decent it might different, but you’re basically looking at avoiding one relegation spot.
There will always be a winnable fixture just around the corner. If Southampton or Ipswich were decent it might different, but you’re basically looking at avoiding one relegation spot.
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It's not Lopetegui, it's not Moyes, or the countless players that have come and gone, it's not the supporters or the shit ground, it's fucking Sullivan and Brady.
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When the writing was on the wall for Moyes and we knew he was going, it was so refreshing to be linked with the like of Amorim, Slot, Iraola even Will Stll, but ended up with someone none of us would have chosen as the man to lead us on. Problem is not who’s available but who the man with the say thinks isn’t going to hurt him too much.
Pointless thinking The Sully/Brady dream team are going to do anything other than that suits them.
Pointless thinking The Sully/Brady dream team are going to do anything other than that suits them.
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Takashi Miike
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most people fucking want him out, but everyone bar the players aren't picking up £100k+ a week for kicking a ball. alvarez has the same aggressive traits as the two players I quoted, but it's why I like him so much. sadly, like his predecessor, el moyes hates him. kudus is different, his body language all season when played on the left has been terrible and I totally agree that he's wasted there but it's yet another symptom of playing that useless lumbering cսnt in the central three. happened all last season and has just carried on under this new clown manager. at this stage I'm beginning to wonder if the jock bastard never actually left, and he's just wearing a lopetegui prosthetic mask
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Lee Trundle
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We've managed to find a bloke who's even SLOWER at getting his substitutes on the pitch than Moyes ever was.
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Let’s not forget that the original concerns about Lopetegui was that he wasn’t Steidten’s first choice.
He was forced on Steidten by Sullivan because Lopetegui made a presentation that impressed the mighty midget.
Much like we’d have had Duran up top if Sullivan would pay £40m to Villa. The real problem is at the top.
He was forced on Steidten by Sullivan because Lopetegui made a presentation that impressed the mighty midget.
Much like we’d have had Duran up top if Sullivan would pay £40m to Villa. The real problem is at the top.
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They didn't behave that way under Moyes when getting hit for 5/6 did they...They want him out.
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Takashi Miike
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didn't you ever see julian dicks or martin allen play? as much as I can't stand the spanish moyes, what the fuck does it have to do with him if they behave like cunts?
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THUNDERCLINT
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Why is he still here? Ignoring the piss poor results and clownish performances it's obvious the players neither like or respect him. Look at the nature of the Alvarez and Kudus dismissals and it couldn't be more obvious he's not in control.
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Come On You Irons" wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 07:26 People said there was zero chance of us going down in 2002-2003 with that squad, and look what happened.
I believe a relegation battle is ahead for as long as 'loser Lop' retains his job.
It only takes one of Wolves, Ipswich or Southampton to pick up form to put us bang in trouble.
Our current squad is vastly overrated.
Nope. We won't go down. Couldn't give a fuck what happened almost a quarter of a century ago. Agree the squad is overrated though, assuming some do rate it that is. Bowen is about the only player who I really rate, Kudus is just a show pony with no brain, Paqueta a disaster.
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Fauxstralian
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I don’t think he will last til Christmas unless there is a major change of approach
That said the problem is that Sullivan would have another go at selecting a manager
The embarrassment is that much smaller clubs like Fulham, Brentford, Bournemouth & Brighton are much more professionally run & obviously have intelligent football people selecting their managers.
Silva, Frank, Ireola & the young Brighton manager. Would take any of those but that would have required imagination & a knowledge beyond listening to his pet agents & thumbing through the 2010 Rothmans annual
That said the problem is that Sullivan would have another go at selecting a manager
The embarrassment is that much smaller clubs like Fulham, Brentford, Bournemouth & Brighton are much more professionally run & obviously have intelligent football people selecting their managers.
Silva, Frank, Ireola & the young Brighton manager. Would take any of those but that would have required imagination & a knowledge beyond listening to his pet agents & thumbing through the 2010 Rothmans annual
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Sullivans choice and Sullivan can’t admit he’s made a mistake, Loppy looked like a breath of fresh air in his first couple of games and I’d have loved it if he had hit the ground running, unfortunately he looks bewildered.
Sully won’t sack him yet because it will make Sully look silly. Silly Sully should be able to see he already looks like a fucking dunce.
Sully won’t sack him yet because it will make Sully look silly. Silly Sully should be able to see he already looks like a fucking dunce.
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Come On You Irons
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People said there was zero chance of us going down in 2002-2003 with that squad, and look what happened.
I believe a relegation battle is ahead for as long as 'loser Lop' retains his job.
It only takes one of Wolves, Ipswich or Southampton to pick up form to put us bang in trouble.
Our current squad is vastly overrated.
I believe a relegation battle is ahead for as long as 'loser Lop' retains his job.
It only takes one of Wolves, Ipswich or Southampton to pick up form to put us bang in trouble.
Our current squad is vastly overrated.
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Manuel
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The chances of us going down are practically zero.
I'd get rid him of now, but can see the point that sacking a manager very early can be dangerous, so the sensible option is to give him some more time, but I think the writing is on the wall, just listen to him after the game in the presser, just rambling nonsense and cliches, seemingly clueless, and I don't like seeing a West Ham manager needing a translator, ffs.
I'd get rid him of now, but can see the point that sacking a manager very early can be dangerous, so the sensible option is to give him some more time, but I think the writing is on the wall, just listen to him after the game in the presser, just rambling nonsense and cliches, seemingly clueless, and I don't like seeing a West Ham manager needing a translator, ffs.
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Re: Lopetegui
I've seen to many stupid posts from you to understand this isnt a click bait.
WHere is the "i stand by the manager" bullshit you spouted when the dinosaur was in charge?
You are the biggest Muppet around
WHere is the "i stand by the manager" bullshit you spouted when the dinosaur was in charge?
You are the biggest Muppet around
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RBshorty wrote: ↑19 Oct 2024, 20:54moorethanjustananon wrote: ↑19 Oct 2024, 20:47Funny. The last guy beat them both last season (and Arsenal)… didn’t do him any favours!Moyes had reached his ceiling with us. Unfortunately nothing will change while Sullivan is here. You could get Pep or Klopp in. But Sullivan will want final say. And wouldn’t be able to keep his oar out of things.!
It’s not really about Moyes, my point is games like today don’t really define our season, or a managers tenure. Yours was it does because ‘the fan base’, objectively not true as the last manager probably had the best record in recent times against the likes of Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, United, City, Liverpool etc and it didn’t do him a jot of good with the fan base in the end.
Obviously we hate to lose them and love to win them, but Spurs are a far superior side (as are City, Villa and Chelsea the other 3 losses this season) so hardly a surprise we’ve taken the losses we have is it?
Obviously we hate to lose them and love to win them, but Spurs are a far superior side (as are City, Villa and Chelsea the other 3 losses this season) so hardly a surprise we’ve taken the losses we have is it?
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moorethanjustananon wrote: ↑19 Oct 2024, 20:47RBshorty wrote: ↑19 Oct 2024, 20:40moorethanjustananon wrote: ↑19 Oct 2024, 19:58 Seems we’re okay / good against teams who are around our level or below.
Absolute shit against sides that are superior to us.
Today was a joke, but not the sort of game our season will be judged on.This is the type of game our season will be judged by.! Getting steamed rolled by a London rival is one thing. Getting steamed rolled by both Chelsea and Tottenham within a couple of games is a Mount Everest of climbing to do. To get the fanbase back on side.Funny. The last guy beat them both last season (and Arsenal)… didn’t do him any favours!
Moyes had reached his ceiling with us. Unfortunately nothing will change while Sullivan is here. You could get Pep or Klopp in. But Sullivan will want final say. And wouldn’t be able to keep his oar out of things.!
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RBshorty wrote: ↑19 Oct 2024, 20:40moorethanjustananon wrote: ↑19 Oct 2024, 19:58 Seems we’re okay / good against teams who are around our level or below.
Absolute shit against sides that are superior to us.
Today was a joke, but not the sort of game our season will be judged on.This is the type of game our season will be judged by.! Getting steamed rolled by a London rival is one thing. Getting steamed rolled by both Chelsea and Tottenham within a couple of games is a Mount Everest of climbing to do. To get the fanbase back on side.
Funny. The last guy beat them both last season (and Arsenal)… didn’t do him any favours!
Re: Lopetegui
moorethanjustananon wrote: ↑19 Oct 2024, 19:58 Seems we’re okay / good against teams who are around our level or below.
Absolute shit against sides that are superior to us.
Today was a joke, but not the sort of game our season will be judged on.
This is the type of game our season will be judged by.! Getting steamed rolled by a London rival is one thing. Getting steamed rolled by both Chelsea and Tottenham within a couple of games is a Mount Everest of climbing to do. To get the fanbase back on side.