Relegation

[northbankboy68]

We need to wake up to the fact that this is now looking distinctly possible and by the time we play Everton will be looking very likely if the clown of a manager is still employed by the clown of an owner.

From today's Guardian - spot on:

Tottenham 4 West Ham 1  Where to begin with West Ham  after their 4-1 defeat at Tottenham?  Lucas Paquetá is doing nothing to  justify his mooching demeanour  in attacking midfield. Alphonse  Areola is letting in soft goals and  his distribution against Spurs  was poor. The defence remains  leaky and there appears to be a  problem with attitude, desire and  discipline. Edson Álvarez picked  up a ridiculous red card during  the 5-1 defeat by Liverpool in the  Carabao Cup and the manner of  Mohammed Kudus's dismissal  against Spurs raises questions over  Julen Lopetegui's authority. There  is a view that Kudus would not have  been scuffling with Spurs players  if the squad were fully behind  Lopetegui.
 Jacob Steinberg  

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

“Only 1 talking bollocks is you”

Everything I  said is fact. They managed a 5 point swing over us in 23 games. 7 wins. Form similar to what the sacked manager had with them the season before.  It certainly wasn’t the miracle ‘Club with less resources, who weren't given a cat in hells chance of staying up’ nonsense you’re desperately shilling.

[Massive Attack]

 

And yet he has already proven he can successfully manage a Club with less resources, who weren't given a cat in hells chance of staying up, to actually save a genuinely relegation threatened Club in Wolves rooted to the foot of the table at Christmas, only to finish up in 13th above us that season. 

And no, I don't regard surviving a relegation battle as any kind of success for us now, just that I don't fear going down with him in charge. 

What a load of bollocks. He took over in November when they were only 4 points behind us. Wolves finished top half the season before.

In contrast, Villa were 2 points behind us, level with Wolves when they bombed Gerrard for Emery, and they finished 7th with 22 more points.

Lopetegui has proven nothing in the PL.

Only 1 talking bollocks is you. Yes he did take charge of his 1st game at the Club rooted to the bottom of the League at Christmas (Boxing Day to be exact) and went on to beat Liverpool 3-0 (as well as draw 2-2 at Anfield in the FA Cup), Chelsea 1-0,  Spurs 1-0, Emery's Villa 1-0 and Moyes West Ham 1-0 along the way to get Wolves comfortably safe in 13th with very little time to do so.

Not bad for an instant successful impact having never managed in the Premier League/England before with the Club rock bottom of the League bang in trouble ..


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[Jaan Kenbrovin]

 

And yet he has already proven he can successfully manage a Club with less resources, who weren't given a cat in hells chance of staying up, to actually save a genuinely relegation threatened Club in Wolves rooted to the foot of the table at Christmas, only to finish up in 13th above us that season. 

And no, I don't regard surviving a relegation battle as any kind of success for us now, just that I don't fear going down with him in charge. 

What a load of bollocks. He took over in November when they were only 4 points behind us. Wolves finished top half the season before.

In contrast, Villa were 2 points behind us, level with Wolves when they bombed Gerrard for Emery, and they finished 7th with 22 more points.

Lopetegui has proven nothing in the PL.

[wils]

Wils, I don’t know any long term WHU fan who did not care whether we won or lost away from home because they cared more about the good time they were enjoying with their mates.

Conversely, because as WHU supporters down the years and used to losing, the joy was unbounded when we got the occasional away victory. In my experience the joy of victory goes with the hard to swallow feeling of a defeat. You cannot have one without the other and as fans, because we are invested in our club, it’s perfectly normal to hate a defeat and enjoy a victory. 

What does stick in many a craw is when after many years we win a real trophy, not some made up pre season type thing, we have some “real fans” denigrating the teams efforts and the status of the competition.

I agree with you about denigrating the status of the conference league. 

And of course WHU fans are wanting their team to win every game. You touch on the paradox of the enjoyment of those wins coming at the price of having to accept the inevitably of defeat. The resulting tension is what we all enjoy and that's what people mean when they say they don't care about losing, it doesn't mean they aren't invested in the desire to win every game they go to. It means they see defeat in the bigger picture of what is driving their enjoyment the game.

Same goes for relegation. It may strike you as cognitively dissonant to desire your team to win every time you turn up while simultaneously believing relegation might be better for your future enjoyment of supporting the club, but the level of thrill you get from being in the moment is affected by the context. Think of it like the footballing equivalent of erotic asphyxiation (Don't try that at home kids!)

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Wils, I don’t know any long term WHU fan who did not care whether we won or lost away from home because they cared more about the good time they were enjoying with their mates.

Conversely, because as WHU supporters down the years and used to losing, the joy was unbounded when we got the occasional away victory. In my experience the joy of victory goes with the hard to swallow feeling of a defeat. You cannot have one without the other and as fans, because we are invested in our club, it’s perfectly normal to hate a defeat and enjoy a victory. 

What does stick in many a craw is when after many years we win a real trophy, not some made up pre season type thing, we have some “real fans” denigrating the teams efforts and the status of the competition.

[Massive Attack]

 The manager just isn't suited to English football. like juande Ramos at the vermin during the 08/09 season.  They realised there mistake. 

And yet Ramos was the last manager to have won them their last Trophy having beaten Man City, spanking arch rivals Arsenal 5-1 in the Semi as well as Chelsea in the Cup Final having only took over around this time of year. Also the manager that brought Modric to the Club. Sometimes these foreign managers need just a bit more time than they're allowed to turn a whole Club's ethos around in their identity...

Everything's got to be an instant success, or it can't possibly be the right solution long term, which is obviously bollocks.

As long as relegation isn't a serious distinct possibility around the turn of the year, then any new manager deserves at least 1 full season to prove they've got what it takes, preferably up to 2 to see if there's any real change for the better. 

[Mr Anon]

was this post  not enough for your doom mongering predictions Northbank?

[Lee Trundle]

I'd bite your hands off if you said we'd get 42 points by the end of this season!

[only1billybonds]

Relegation is very improbable but not impossible,
we went down with 42 points and Leicester won the league less than 10 years ago so anything can happen. I think the mood is souring by the week after a little lift when Moyes went and the danger is that the players start to feel this which affects confidence and all of a sudden,you're 8 games without a win. Like I say,very unlikely that we'll be a championship club come August but ya never know.

[Manuel]

Anyone saying we might get relegated is either very clueless or just stirring the pots, absolutely ZERO chance of it happening.

[Pshyco scored all 4]

More chance of me getting my leg over with Taylor swift . Than west ham being relegated.  The manager just isn't suited to English football. like juande Ramos at the vermin during the 08/09 season.  They realised there mistake . Sullivan knows he's fucked up . but as usual with him being the narcissistic prick he is . The blame will no doubt be placed elsewhere. It's time for kretinsky and tripp smith to step up and buy Vanessa golds shares . She wants out make it happen. 

[Toast]

More chance of KUMB becoming a decent forum, than West Ham going down.

[wils]

Well put. And so many of these unambitious cretins exist amongst our fanbase. They don't seem to care if we go down and perversely seem to relish a stint in the Championship. I don't get that mentality at all.

No wonder the the owners, media and supporters of the 'big' clubs look down at us and treat us like we are a small time and two bob club.

 

 

If you read these threads on here, particularly the away thread at the moment, it's full of people moaning about the state of modern football and how little joy they get from it. Is ambition going to save us from anything. Who's your role model here, where do you want this ambition lead us? To become like Man City? A soulless fanbase that could barely rouse themselves to clap when they won the Champions league. 

My son who was with me at the Chelsea game the other week is starting to look at going to QPR for a bit more of a laugh with his mates. Nothing to do with us losing all the time as QPR is struggling at the foot of the Championship, but he knows going over there and losing is more fun than a home game at the LS these days even if we win. At our home games half the fans fuck off 15 minutes before the end, winning or losing, because they are more concerned with getting a seat on the train back home to Essex than supporting their club and no doubt moan that it's Sullivan killing their club and not themselves. Those fans are as much part of the problem as Sullivan is.

Yes we dream of winning things, but but bar the Conference league we haven't for 40 years and what most of the posters on these threads clearly miss is the fun of following football in those intervening years. As many have been quite explicit about on the away games thread, they didn't care whether we lost they still enjoyed the day. Being a big club is not going to bring that enjoyment back it's going to make it worse, and yes, in seriousness I know relegation isn't the answer either, but if it delays the process and brings a few more years of fun before it all goes tits up, I would rather we went out that way than sitting amongst foreign tourists in a champions league semi-final.

[Mike Oxsaw]

I think there are 4 teams more likely to be relegated than us this season.

If I'm correct then that fully satisfies Sullivan's business plan of maintaining PL status; anything more is simply extra bunce in his sky for his bling budget.

He won't stir unless two of those 4 hit a purple patch and, even then, won't look beyond clients of his favourite agent for a replacement.

[Gaffer58]

As bizarre as it sounds, I think relegation would in the long run would not be a bad thing!

Will give us times to have a total clear out and a period of cleansing! 


 

And we’d still have Antonio as our main striker!!!

[eusebiovic]

We can only hope that Vanessa makes Sullivan a minority owner.

It's not looking likely at this point but you never know - the Czech might eventually lose his shit and get something moving.

[Massive Attack]

I said all summer that Lopetegui is a loser, that the transfer window was a disaster and that we will be battling relegation under 'loser Lop'. Nothing has changed my mind.

The longer the fraud is allowed to remain in his job, the greater the danger of relegation. The squad is vastly overrated and by no means 'too good to go down'.

 

 

And yet he has already proven he can successfully manage a Club with less resources, who weren't given a cat in hells chance of staying up, to actually save a genuinely relegation threatened Club in Wolves rooted to the foot of the table at Christmas, only to finish up in 13th above us that season. 

And no, I don't regard surviving a relegation battle as any kind of success for us now, just that I don't fear going down with him in charge. 

[Tomsdad]

If we get relegated, I will eat my hat!

[Come On You Irons]

I might be out of step with one or two on here when I say that relegation would be an unmitigated disaster. To read how someone can spot positives from us going down too makes me realise how “perverse” a so called real fan can be. 


 

Well put. And so many of these unambitious cretins exist amongst our fanbase. They don't seem to care if we go down and perversely seem to relish a stint in the Championship. I don't get that mentality at all.

No wonder the the owners, media and supporters of the 'big' clubs look down at us and treat us like we are a small time and two bob club.

[RM10]

I would look forward going to away matches

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I might be out of step with one or two on here when I say that relegation would be an unmitigated disaster. To read how someone can spot positives from us going down too makes me realise how “perverse” a so called real fan can be. 

 

[Pub Bigot]

If we get relegated it might sanitise some of the less desirable 'supporters' from attending games. That's an upside. 

 

Yeah, that's more than a silver lining to be honest. Something to look forward to. Also get to play to Millwall, Birmingham should be back in there and some other decent aways days.

Dear oh dear. This mentality is SO pathetic. You seem to be as much as a loser as the clown currently managing the first team.

It’s more expectation. If you expected disappointment you can better prepare for it. 

[Come On You Irons]

If we get relegated it might sanitise some of the less desirable 'supporters' from attending games. That's an upside. 

 

Yeah, that's more than a silver lining to be honest. Something to look forward to. Also get to play to Millwall, Birmingham should be back in there and some other decent aways days.

Dear oh dear. This mentality is SO pathetic. You seem to be as much as a loser as the clown currently managing the first team.

[Come On You Irons]

I said all summer that Lopetegui is a loser, that the transfer window was a disaster and that we will be battling relegation under 'loser Lop'. Nothing has changed my mind.

The longer the fraud is allowed to remain in his job, the greater the danger of relegation. The squad is vastly overrated and by no means 'too good to go down'.

[wils]

If we get relegated it might sanitise some of the less desirable 'supporters' from attending games. That's an upside. 

 

 

Yeah, that's more than a silver lining to be honest. Something to look forward to. Also get to play to Millwall, Birmingham should be back in there and some other decent aways days.