Lopetegui (sacked 8.1.2025)

[maverick180]

I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season

Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit

We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge

But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask

[southbankbornnbred]

We're probably a few weeks off doing anything about Lopetegui, if Sullivan acts at all. He might still turn it around. But any rational board (insert your own jokes) would be keeping one eye on realistic alternatives.

Were we to sack a manager in, say, November (which we did with Bilic), our options for long-term appointments would be limited. Sorry to burst the bubble, but appointments such as Amorim (unlikely anyway after the summer) just wouldn't happen mid-season and while he's top of the league in Portugal and managing in Europe. Even the fella at Ipswich will stay there this season.

Add to that Sullivan's obvious reluctance to buy "big name" managers out of their contract due to the cost, and it's a much smaller pool. I'm not saying they'd all be my sort of choices but, realistically, we're looking at a pool of unemployed managers like Potter, Terzic etc. Even Southgate will land a better-paid gig than West Ham as his first job after taking England to two finals. Sullivan will not revert to Moyes for a third stint (sorry, Moyes fans).

But I've said before - I'd keep one eye on Michael Carrick at Middlesbrough.

He's doing a good job in the northeast and has done since he took over, having faced some injury crises (especially last season). But for an unexpected home loss against Bristol City, a game they dominated for ages, they'd be fourth in the Championship right now, and with a lower budget/wage bill than the likes of Burnley, Leeds and West Brom. And, as you'd expect from a team coached by Carrick, they play a stylish game, to feet. I don't see any weird Lopetegui-style quirks tactically. One of the challenges Carrick has had in terms of recruitment is getting decent players to move to Middlesbrough, which is (frankly) a shithole. Not a problem in London.

He's a bright guy, very shrewd and analytical - and communication is not exactly a problem. But he might need a kick-ass assistant.

The issue for any club sniffing around Carrick now is that he's under contract until 2027, having signed a new deal this year. But he's on Championship wages, which are considerably less than buying a Premier League manager out of a contract, and even Sullivan might consider doing it. Of course, he hasn't managed in the Premier League yet, so may not tick Sulli's box on that front: there's no escaping that he's unproven at the highest level. But he's going to get an offer from a Premier League club sooner rather than later. Why not us?

 

[Come On You Irons]

Primary flaw in Lop tactics is high line with overlapping wing backs to create overloads. BUT… not having the pace and strength and legs in midfield to cover / prevent counter attacks if / when the opposition breaks thru our press from the front ( which is erratic with a 34 year old being part if it then fading 2nd half).  Paqueta losing it regularly and Areola unable to distribute with his feet over distance leading to it going straight back is suicidal. Why? Because that super sloooooow central midfield cannot press anyway and doesnt.  Rodruiguez, Paqueta and Soucek as a combo is just not suited to the Premiership’s pace and intensity.  The bigger problem is none of the central midfield seem to have the legs, pace needed.

in short, huge tactical to squad profile mismatch.  The ugly truth is we’d be better adopting a more deep lying, Moyesball low block.  But initially stop Emerson and Wan Bassaka bombing on as wing backs.  Back to square one? Problem with Moyesball was that without overloads via wing backs you struggle to get around teams and cannot press or play thru them either, surrender possession and rely much more on countering and set pieces.  Which incidentally Nuno has implemented at Forest successfully as he had at Wolves initially when he first went there and had 2 good seasons in the top 8.   

A mate of mine, a Forest fan, said the football is dire though.  At Wolves after 2 seasons Nuno tried to chamge their style from low block due to Wolves fans unrest about the style. Sound familiar?

There is the challenge. To play a possession, pressing game we need the right type of players esp in central midfield. We aint got all of the pieces of the jigsaw and unfortunately they cost a lot of money because they are quick, physically strong and have legs to get up and down like Caicedo, Bissouma, Tonali, Fernandez, Sarr etc.   

Last roll of the dice might be trying Alvarez and Soler in the mix with either Rodruigez or Soucek. But means Loppy dropping Paqueta and one of Rodruiguez or Soucek or all 3.

wont happen imo and Loppy will continue with the misfits for his system and lose his job by Xmas 





 

Good post that, Alfs.

Learnt to use the quotation feature now, have you? YOU MUG.

[Manuel]

Primary flaw in Lop tactics is high line with overlapping wing backs to create overloads. BUT… not having the pace and strength and legs in midfield to cover / prevent counter attacks if / when the opposition breaks thru our press from the front ( which is erratic with a 34 year old being part if it then fading 2nd half).  Paqueta losing it regularly and Areola unable to distribute with his feet over distance leading to it going straight back is suicidal. Why? Because that super sloooooow central midfield cannot press anyway and doesnt.  Rodruiguez, Paqueta and Soucek as a combo is just not suited to the Premiership’s pace and intensity.  The bigger problem is none of the central midfield seem to have the legs, pace needed.

in short, huge tactical to squad profile mismatch.  The ugly truth is we’d be better adopting a more deep lying, Moyesball low block.  But initially stop Emerson and Wan Bassaka bombing on as wing backs.  Back to square one? Problem with Moyesball was that without overloads via wing backs you struggle to get around teams and cannot press or play thru them either, surrender possession and rely much more on countering and set pieces.  Which incidentally Nuno has implemented at Forest successfully as he had at Wolves initially when he first went there and had 2 good seasons in the top 8.   

A mate of mine, a Forest fan, said the football is dire though.  At Wolves after 2 seasons Nuno tried to chamge their style from low block due to Wolves fans unrest about the style. Sound familiar?

There is the challenge. To play a possession, pressing game we need the right type of players esp in central midfield. We aint got all of the pieces of the jigsaw and unfortunately they cost a lot of money because they are quick, physically strong and have legs to get up and down like Caicedo, Bissouma, Tonali, Fernandez, Sarr etc.   

Last roll of the dice might be trying Alvarez and Soler in the mix with either Rodruigez or Soucek. But means Loppy dropping Paqueta and one of Rodruiguez or Soucek or all 3.

wont happen imo and Loppy will continue with the misfits for his system and lose his job by Xmas 




 

Good post that, Alfs.

[Come On You Irons]

Reading the comments on here makes you think ........isn't hindsight a wonderful thing!

Not for all of us it isn't. Some of us said on here all summer that 'loser Lop' is a dud and a loser and the wrong appointment.




There were many that didn't want him you mug, you just shout louder than anyone else with your pathetic attention seeking. Regarding the replacement, tell you what, I'll get in first and write the next cսnt off before he even gets here. Why? because our owners are shit, most of our players are shit and we have the worst ground in the country, including non league. Beat that??

 

You call me a mug and yet you can't even use this new forum properly. You keep replying to posts and putting your vitriol in the quotation section rather than the reply section. What a thick cսnt you are!

[Sir Alf]

Primary flaw in Lop tactics is high line with overlapping wing backs to create overloads. BUT… not having the pace and strength and legs in midfield to cover / prevent counter attacks if / when the opposition breaks thru our press from the front ( which is erratic with a 34 year old being part if it then fading 2nd half).  Paqueta losing it regularly and Areola unable to distribute with his feet over distance leading to it going straight back is suicidal. Why? Because that super sloooooow central midfield cannot press anyway and doesnt.  Rodruiguez, Paqueta and Soucek as a combo is just not suited to the Premiership’s pace and intensity.  The bigger problem is none of the central midfield seem to have the legs, pace needed.

in short, huge tactical to squad profile mismatch.  The ugly truth is we’d be better adopting a more deep lying, Moyesball low block.  But initially stop Emerson and Wan Bassaka bombing on as wing backs.  Back to square one? Problem with Moyesball was that without overloads via wing backs you struggle to get around teams and cannot press or play thru them either, surrender possession and rely much more on countering and set pieces.  Which incidentally Nuno has implemented at Forest successfully as he had at Wolves initially when he first went there and had 2 good seasons in the top 8.   

A mate of mine, a Forest fan, said the football is dire though.  At Wolves after 2 seasons Nuno tried to chamge their style from low block due to Wolves fans unrest about the style. Sound familiar?

There is the challenge. To play a possession, pressing game we need the right type of players esp in central midfield. We aint got all of the pieces of the jigsaw and unfortunately they cost a lot of money because they are quick, physically strong and have legs to get up and down like Caicedo, Bissouma, Tonali, Fernandez, Sarr etc.   

Last roll of the dice might be trying Alvarez and Soler in the mix with either Rodruigez or Soucek. But means Loppy dropping Paqueta and one of Rodruiguez or Soucek or all 3.

wont happen imo and Loppy will continue with the misfits for his system and lose his job by Xmas 



 

[onsideman]

So come on Mister I know it all..........who do you replace Loppy  with?

Academic question as he's very unlikely to go... unless we're in serious trouble, in which case it'll be whichever Red Adair Sullivan turns to rather than the root and branch  review that's really needed.

Comparisons with other clubs are worthless, but  Monchi and Emery make Steidten and Lopetegui look like the championship pairing they are

[Lato]

So come on Mister I know it all..........who do you replace Loppy  with?

[Mike Oxsaw]

Roberto Mancini is out of work now……….

Henry Mancini would appear to be a step up at the moment and not only is he out of work, he's out of life, too.

Two Sulliboxes ticked right there - just needs the right agent.

[goose]

Roberto Mancini is out of work now……….

[Takashi Miike]

The world's campest WHUFC supporter . Whetstone is trying to throw steitden under the bus . No doubt under the instruction of the dwarf. He never accepts responsibility for anything.  Managers come and go . But until he's forced out absolutely fuck all will change . 

I fucking hate that fat, weird cսnt. He epitomizes everything wrong about the club and why that midget parasite continues to get away with his bullshit

[Pshyco scored all 4]

The world's campest WHUFC supporter . Whetstone is trying to throw steitden under the bus . No doubt under the instruction of the dwarf. He never accepts responsibility for anything.  Managers come and go . But until he's forced out absolutely fuck all will change . 

[Manuel]

Reading the comments on here makes you think ........isn't hindsight a wonderful thing!

Not for all of us it isn't. Some of us said on here all summer that 'loser Lop' is a dud and a loser and the wrong appointment.




There were many that didn't want him you mug, you just shout louder than anyone else with your pathetic attention seeking. Regarding the replacement, tell you what, I'll get in first and write the next cսnt off before he even gets here. Why? because our owners are shit, most of our players are shit and we have the worst ground in the country, including non league. Beat that??

 

[Iron Duke]

It shows two things:

1. Moyes was not treated unfairly. He had an identical record to Pellegrini in his last 19 games.
2. Moyes was given more than 8 games to turn things round. This is in spite of having a worse record than Pellegrini or Lopetegui in this time. I don’t remember anyone telling us we should have been careful what we wish for in this time either.

[Lee Trundle]

Pellegrini’s last 19 league games = 19 points
Moyes’s first 8 league games = 5 points
Moyes’s first 12 league games = 8 points
Moyes’s first 19 league games = 20 points

Moyes’s last 19 league games = 19 points
Lopetegui’s first 8 league games = 8 points

A bit of perspective for you.

I read that as he hasn't improved us at all since Moyes left (with £150m worth of added talent).

That kind of perspective?

[Iron Duke]

Pellegrini’s last 19 league games = 19 points
Moyes’s first 8 league games = 5 points
Moyes’s first 12 league games = 8 points
Moyes’s first 19 league games = 20 points

Moyes’s last 19 league games = 19 points
Lopetegui’s first 8 league games = 8 points

A bit of perspective for you.

[Lato]

Lopetegui brought his Sevilla side to the Olympic Stadium in March 2022 and was out-thought by Moyes.

If that doesn't tell you all you need to know, I don't know what does.

He did, however in the 1st leg Sevilla run us ragged at times. It should have been more than a 0-1 defeat. 

 

 

[Come On You Irons]

Reading the comments on here makes you think ........isn't hindsight a wonderful thing!

Not for all of us it isn't. Some of us said on here all summer that 'loser Lop' is a dud and a loser and the wrong appointment.

[Lato]

Reading the comments on here makes you think ........isn't hindsight a wonderful thing!

[onsideman]

Lopetegui brought his Sevilla side to the Olympic Stadium in March 2022 and was out-thought by Moyes.

If that doesn't tell you all you need to know, I don't know what does.

As a matter of interest, the team that knocked us out that year and went on to win it were being outplayed and on the verge of facing penalties at Real Betis in the round of 16 before our very own Guido Rodriguez scored an own goal to put Eintracht Frankfurt through.

[wils]

Stuff on Twitter about Edin Terzig being approached. Not sure how much truth in it. German Sky journalist vaguely alluding to it.

He's out of work (tick), used to manage Dortmund and got them to a Champions League final last season (tick), has a connection with West Ham (tick).

Ticks the two main Sullivan criteria and ticks the bonus third criteria, so this is plausible. Far more plausible than the ludicrous notion of Sullivan buying Frank or Iraola out of their contracts.

Yeah, rumours are Man U looking at him too. Might be whoever loses Sunday wins that race.

I think Salthouse has been blaming Steidten for leaking that rumour.

[Come On You Irons]

Stuff on Twitter about Edin Terzig being approached. Not sure how much truth in it. German Sky journalist vaguely alluding to it.

He's out of work (tick), used to manage Dortmund and got them to a Champions League final last season (tick), has a connection with West Ham (tick).

Ticks the two main Sullivan criteria and ticks the bonus third criteria, so this is plausible. Far more plausible than the ludicrous notion of Sullivan buying Frank or Iraola out of their contracts.

[Hammer and Pickle]

Cheers - what a car crash this is turning out to be.

[Lee Trundle]

Genuine question: is the connection between this guy and Salthouse known and if so, what is it?

It's been reported previously about a connection.

Lopetegui Appointment Stinks of Self-Interest - West Ham News

Will Salthouse involved in new West Ham manager appointment

[SUM A DING WONG]

No chance he's joining us now!  The time was in the summer.  That boat has sailed.

It was just in reply to what decent manager might want to join us.  He did.  Sullivan put an end to it though and went with Salthouse's choice.

 

 

I see what you mean, now.

[Hammer and Pickle]

Genuine question: is the connection between this guy and Salthouse known and if so, what is it?