I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season
Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit
We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge
But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask
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Maverick180180
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You’re right
He made the exact right team selection in those game, and we’re basing that on the fact we won them
Jesus fucking Christ
goose has opened to the idea of healthy debate of which I ain’t gonna have a dig at the bloke
you’re just talking utter shit
we won so all is good
e.g. Man City would beat Crystal Palace and Ipswich with a broom playing up front instead of Haaland
does that mean the team selection is great?
He made the exact right team selection in those game, and we’re basing that on the fact we won them
Jesus fucking Christ
goose has opened to the idea of healthy debate of which I ain’t gonna have a dig at the bloke
you’re just talking utter shit
we won so all is good
e.g. Man City would beat Crystal Palace and Ipswich with a broom playing up front instead of Haaland
does that mean the team selection is great?
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Massive Attack
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goose wrote: ↑26 Oct 2024, 10:47 “I stated in my original post that it’s not the level of performance I’m concerned about as I was willing to give that time, it was his team selection, and he’s got his team selection wrong in every game since.”
that’s absolutely mental.
you don’t care about the performance as long as he picks what you think is the best team?
tell me who should be playing that isn’t? From what I see they’ve all been poor in some games.
Not only that, he clearly didn't make the wrong selection in "every single game" when we beat Palace away, Bournemouth or Ipswich at home.
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Watched Orford a few times, his vision and tenacity is out of this world for someone of his age. We need to bring the next Noble, Moore, Brooking in someone who gets the club
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Takashi Miike
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Stavros should not play for West Ham again. Ship him out the first week of January and buy a replacement ffs!
Do we have any young players that we can take a look at to play in midfield? If not that’s a worry.
Do we have any young players that we can take a look at to play in midfield? If not that’s a worry.
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Emerson not actually in midfield, but inverting there when we're attacking the final third. Pretty normal stuff these days, and given he can't cross very well and doesn't stop crosses, his best play is actually between the boxes (typically referred to as 'midfield').
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Btw, this (from Sit Alf etc) is what I’m getting at when I say that Lopetegui - and some of his choices/tactics - just don’t seem to be the right fit for West Ham.
He’s probably a half-decent manager in Spain, where you do still get a bit more time on the ball unless you’re playing Barca/Real/Atletico.
But he has to be able to adjust his tactics, approach and understanding to the Premier League and at our club. Football management is often a case of horses for courses. Getting Wolves to mid-table is less than we now expect. So he has never shown the ability to do what West Ham (rightly or wrongly) expect of him in the Premier League.
He won’t get a lot more time to adjust. And neither will some of “his” signings. I hope he turns it around - for our club. But I have serious doubts.
He’s probably a half-decent manager in Spain, where you do still get a bit more time on the ball unless you’re playing Barca/Real/Atletico.
But he has to be able to adjust his tactics, approach and understanding to the Premier League and at our club. Football management is often a case of horses for courses. Getting Wolves to mid-table is less than we now expect. So he has never shown the ability to do what West Ham (rightly or wrongly) expect of him in the Premier League.
He won’t get a lot more time to adjust. And neither will some of “his” signings. I hope he turns it around - for our club. But I have serious doubts.
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Sir Alf" wrote: ↑26 Oct 2024, 13:51 Rodruiguez is a good footballer, Alvarez too, Soucek and Paqueta have their strengths but they collectively in any combination will struggle to cover the ground and cope with transitions that must have led to over 10 of the league goals we have conceded. Pushing the full backs so high is just not working leaving the CBs and just one paced Rodruiguez to defend when the likes of Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool break at speed. Thats why Postegelou switch in Sarr for Maddison to expose further as he’s another player that gets up and down the pitch quickly. We simply dont have one player with central midfield defensive duties that has that capability? Soler is another creative type not box to box or known for pressing although I think he’s the fastest of the lot?
The tactics of high line, agressively piling full backs and midfields into advanced positions is suicidal. If tactics are not amended Lop will be gone sooner than later. He has to revert to playing Emerson and Wan Bissaka deeper for a start. But does Loppy have any history of playing any other way than this 3-1-6 when we attack ?
I think in theory it's a 3-2-5 but the point is correct, and no that is the way he plays. Was the same at Wolves too.
The irony is Wan Bissaka isn't suited to the role, and neither is Emerson.
You could argue if Wan Bissaka dropped in to make the 3 with the CBs, and Emerson inverted to make the 2 in front, we'd be way better off in that 3-2 shape behind the 5.
Wan Bissaka - Todibo - Kilman
Rodriguez - Emerson
Bowen Soucek Antonio Paqueta Kudus
Assuming our 'standard' line up....surely as an in possession shape, that structure is far more effective with you creative wide players wide, and your most physical players in and around the box.
You're then close to having your back 4 intact, as well as having two comfortable but not extravagant ball players in the pivot, and your best one Vs one defender in the protective back line.
Seems too obvious.
The irony is Wan Bissaka isn't suited to the role, and neither is Emerson.
You could argue if Wan Bissaka dropped in to make the 3 with the CBs, and Emerson inverted to make the 2 in front, we'd be way better off in that 3-2 shape behind the 5.
Wan Bissaka - Todibo - Kilman
Rodriguez - Emerson
Bowen Soucek Antonio Paqueta Kudus
Assuming our 'standard' line up....surely as an in possession shape, that structure is far more effective with you creative wide players wide, and your most physical players in and around the box.
You're then close to having your back 4 intact, as well as having two comfortable but not extravagant ball players in the pivot, and your best one Vs one defender in the protective back line.
Seems too obvious.
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Sir Alf" wrote: ↑26 Oct 2024, 13:51 Rodruiguez is a good footballer, Alvarez too, Soucek and Paqueta have their strengths but they collectively in any combination will struggle to cover the ground and cope with transitions that must have led to over 10 of the league goals we have conceded. Pushing the full backs so high is just not working leaving the CBs and just one paced Rodruiguez to defend when the likes of Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool break at speed. Thats why Postegelou switch in Sarr for Maddison to expose further as he’s another player that gets up and down the pitch quickly. We simply dont have one player with central midfield defensive duties that has that capability? Soler is another creative type not box to box or known for pressing although I think he’s the fastest of the lot?
The tactics of high line, agressively piling full backs and midfields into advanced positions is suicidal. If tactics are not amended Lop will be gone sooner than later. He has to revert to playing Emerson and Wan Bissaka deeper for a start. But does Loppy have any history of playing any other way than this 3-1-6 when we attack ?
Pretty much spot on, this. Rodriguez probably is a decent footballer, but he (and others) just don’t yet seem suitable for the Premier League because it is quicker than they can currently cope with. They have to get up to speed (literally) quickly, or Lopetegui is toast. He chose them, so it’s his head on the chopping block.
Decent analysis, that, Alf.
Decent analysis, that, Alf.
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Rodruiguez is a good footballer, Alvarez too, Soucek and Paqueta have their strengths but they collectively in any combination will struggle to cover the ground and cope with transitions that must have led to over 10 of the league goals we have conceded. Pushing the full backs so high is just not working leaving the CBs and just one paced Rodruiguez to defend when the likes of Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool break at speed. Thats why Postegelou switch in Sarr for Maddison to expose further as he’s another player that gets up and down the pitch quickly. We simply dont have one player with central midfield defensive duties that has that capability? Soler is another creative type not box to box or known for pressing although I think he’s the fastest of the lot?
The tactics of high line, agressively piling full backs and midfields into advanced positions is suicidal. If tactics are not amended Lop will be gone sooner than later. He has to revert to playing Emerson and Wan Bissaka deeper for a start. But does Loppy have any history of playing any other way than this 3-1-6 when we attack ?
The tactics of high line, agressively piling full backs and midfields into advanced positions is suicidal. If tactics are not amended Lop will be gone sooner than later. He has to revert to playing Emerson and Wan Bissaka deeper for a start. But does Loppy have any history of playing any other way than this 3-1-6 when we attack ?
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I agree he won’t try that
I don’t think he’ll try anyone there as he seems to be the second name on the team sheet after Kilman
in reality you could try anyone there as they won’t be any worse than Rodriguez
I don’t think he’ll try anyone there as he seems to be the second name on the team sheet after Kilman
in reality you could try anyone there as they won’t be any worse than Rodriguez
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I think Ings should be starting instead of Antonio
Antonio simply can’t hold the ball up anymore cos he’s lost the ability to even make a simply pass
dont get me wrong I don’t think Ings is going to be amazing but he’s a much better striker than Antonio
I also think the change of Paqueta for Rodriguez would be a huge difference
I take your point on board about him also being slow, but he’s only slow pace wise, he can pass the ball or turn with one touch, as simple as that should be for a professional footballer neither Soucek or Rodriguez can do it, which is why neither are good enough for the premier league in my opinion, out of the two I’d favour Soucek all day long though as he does pose an attacking threat and also wins headers, neither of which Rodriguez can do
he was also constantly playing Mavropanos who was giving away 1 or 2 goals a game
a club source had stated it was his choice to not play Todibo instead
at least that change has finally been made, but it seems like it was made due to fan pressure rather than him wanting to do it
also, as far as Mavropanos is concerned I know he played as a defensive midfielder for Stuttgart in some games with some success, so maybe he could also do a job there for us?
trouble is we don’t know until it’s tried
But this guy never seems to address the biggest problem areas
Antonio simply can’t hold the ball up anymore cos he’s lost the ability to even make a simply pass
dont get me wrong I don’t think Ings is going to be amazing but he’s a much better striker than Antonio
I also think the change of Paqueta for Rodriguez would be a huge difference
I take your point on board about him also being slow, but he’s only slow pace wise, he can pass the ball or turn with one touch, as simple as that should be for a professional footballer neither Soucek or Rodriguez can do it, which is why neither are good enough for the premier league in my opinion, out of the two I’d favour Soucek all day long though as he does pose an attacking threat and also wins headers, neither of which Rodriguez can do
he was also constantly playing Mavropanos who was giving away 1 or 2 goals a game
a club source had stated it was his choice to not play Todibo instead
at least that change has finally been made, but it seems like it was made due to fan pressure rather than him wanting to do it
also, as far as Mavropanos is concerned I know he played as a defensive midfielder for Stuttgart in some games with some success, so maybe he could also do a job there for us?
trouble is we don’t know until it’s tried
But this guy never seems to address the biggest problem areas
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I don’t think you’re going to see any or many positive results until he starts putting a more competent team on the pitch
I’ve supported West Ham for a long time and I’ve never been more infuriated by a manager constantly not picking his strongest side
even some of the worst managers we’ve had like Grant and Allardyce I was more concerned about the tactics or style of play rather than the team selection, because the team selection was always roughly the best we could put out, maybe barring one or two players at the most
this bloke seems to pick some of our worst players for fun
you can’t expect things to suddenly just click when you’ve got players on the pitch that are either passed it or just simply not very gifted footballers
I also agree his tactics and lack of any sort of style of football are also hugely concerning things
but to not even field a half decent side from day 1 has always been what’s put me off this guy, I think that’s the start of things being awful and the rest will come with it cos he’s simply clueless
I’ve supported West Ham for a long time and I’ve never been more infuriated by a manager constantly not picking his strongest side
even some of the worst managers we’ve had like Grant and Allardyce I was more concerned about the tactics or style of play rather than the team selection, because the team selection was always roughly the best we could put out, maybe barring one or two players at the most
this bloke seems to pick some of our worst players for fun
you can’t expect things to suddenly just click when you’ve got players on the pitch that are either passed it or just simply not very gifted footballers
I also agree his tactics and lack of any sort of style of football are also hugely concerning things
but to not even field a half decent side from day 1 has always been what’s put me off this guy, I think that’s the start of things being awful and the rest will come with it cos he’s simply clueless
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The irony of you constantly claiming to be right and calling others narcissistic is not lost on me.
i don’t care what team he picks, i care about results and the performance. You’re just desperate to be proved right.
If he picks a team I don’t like tomorrow and we win, i don’t give a fuck. Are you going slag him off because you didn’t like the team?
Losing to the teams we’ve lost to is no real surprise but the performances have been poor in some games.
im laughing at your armchair football manager posts.
i don’t care what team he picks, i care about results and the performance. You’re just desperate to be proved right.
If he picks a team I don’t like tomorrow and we win, i don’t give a fuck. Are you going slag him off because you didn’t like the team?
Losing to the teams we’ve lost to is no real surprise but the performances have been poor in some games.
im laughing at your armchair football manager posts.
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One last comment cos you’re too retarded to understand
I said from day one I realised the bloke was shit based on his team selection, not the performance
why can’t you understand that????
im not gonna claim the bloke was shit instantly cos of one bad performance, but when I saw the awful line up he put out I knew the bloke didn’t have a clue what he was doing, also on top of the fact that once we gave him the job I did my research on him and found two articles where he wanted to sign both Antonio and Cresswell for Wolves
that rang alarm bells for me straight away and had hoped it wasn’t true, all I had to do was see his first day line up to realise it was, as he’d picked a number of players that simply aren’t good enough for this league, got berated by morons like you and vexed how you can’t just throw new players into a team
well, yes you can actually when the alternatives simply aren’t good enough
but it continued, game 2, 3 and 4 went by and still some of the new players hadn’t been given a chance
thus proving it wasn’t about fitness or bedding in but was actually a tactical choice by our great manager
this thread is full of me and people like come on you irons calling out Lopetegui as being crap from day 1, and argumentative people like you and vexed telling us we don’t know what we’re talking about
but the more it’s transpired to be true the more it’s got up the noses of you two narcissists who can’t bare to be proven wrong, so you both go off on tangents of talking about other shit or claiming nonsense in order to try to prove yourselves right
neither of you even like Lopetegui for christs sake but you can’t stand the fact someone else said it before you.
im not interested in arguing with the pair of you, wouldn’t it be nice if we could all just agree this bloke isn’t up to the task
I said from day one I realised the bloke was shit based on his team selection, not the performance
why can’t you understand that????
im not gonna claim the bloke was shit instantly cos of one bad performance, but when I saw the awful line up he put out I knew the bloke didn’t have a clue what he was doing, also on top of the fact that once we gave him the job I did my research on him and found two articles where he wanted to sign both Antonio and Cresswell for Wolves
that rang alarm bells for me straight away and had hoped it wasn’t true, all I had to do was see his first day line up to realise it was, as he’d picked a number of players that simply aren’t good enough for this league, got berated by morons like you and vexed how you can’t just throw new players into a team
well, yes you can actually when the alternatives simply aren’t good enough
but it continued, game 2, 3 and 4 went by and still some of the new players hadn’t been given a chance
thus proving it wasn’t about fitness or bedding in but was actually a tactical choice by our great manager
this thread is full of me and people like come on you irons calling out Lopetegui as being crap from day 1, and argumentative people like you and vexed telling us we don’t know what we’re talking about
but the more it’s transpired to be true the more it’s got up the noses of you two narcissists who can’t bare to be proven wrong, so you both go off on tangents of talking about other shit or claiming nonsense in order to try to prove yourselves right
neither of you even like Lopetegui for christs sake but you can’t stand the fact someone else said it before you.
im not interested in arguing with the pair of you, wouldn’t it be nice if we could all just agree this bloke isn’t up to the task
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Sorry who’s the keyboard warrior getting all gammon because multiple posters haven’t agreed with him?
You think playing international football for Brazil is the same as the premier league for West Ham? Course not you moron.
as for your “I don’t care about performance, just the starting lineup? I mean how retarded do you wanna be?
You think playing international football for Brazil is the same as the premier league for West Ham? Course not you moron.
as for your “I don’t care about performance, just the starting lineup? I mean how retarded do you wanna be?
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Disagree. Paqueta isn't playing well. But he is in a midfield with Soucek and Rodriguez both of them are cart horses. Paqueta is the only playmaker. Soler doesn't appear to be the answer about 20 minutes football, 3 bookings, no goals or assists, a player Lopetegui insisted we got. Paqueta is targeted and isolated by the opposition, stop Paqueta, stop West Ham. He gets hospital passes from team mates and loses the ball when there is no out ball on. The histrionics are not clever. But, big but. Lopetegui is getting the worst out of Bowen, Paqueta and Kudus. That is on him. If he built a better team with lesser players, fine, then drop the better players. But he doesn't. He is a cսnt and needs to go. If the skill players still look shit with a new manager fair enough dig them out. But the players need a system and manager that create a platform to succeed, not fail. Lopetegui is another example of Sullivan being short sighted and cheap.
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Goose I’m not going to bother replying to you again after this post
you’ve already proved you know absolutely zero about football by suggesting that something that’s good enough for Brazil wouldn’t be good enough for West Ham! What an absolutely deluded moron you are
youre just an argumentative keyboard warrior that gets off on being a wind up merchant, you wouldn’t dare behave like this in real life as someone would’ve buried a screwdriver into your throat long ago if you did
Reply if you like but I shan’t read it you Nazi sympathising greasy cսnt
you’ve already proved you know absolutely zero about football by suggesting that something that’s good enough for Brazil wouldn’t be good enough for West Ham! What an absolutely deluded moron you are
youre just an argumentative keyboard warrior that gets off on being a wind up merchant, you wouldn’t dare behave like this in real life as someone would’ve buried a screwdriver into your throat long ago if you did
Reply if you like but I shan’t read it you Nazi sympathising greasy cսnt