US Election, November 5th

[Sydney_Iron]

And a bit eerily and worryingly Bonfire night!!!! Let's hope it doesn't descend into that though 

Never know an election be in the news so much, all over Aussie TV and expect the worlds TV as well, so many (non Septic's) have an opinion on it as well? WTF

fuck knows who wins, personally don't care as both sides seem like a pack of cunts, so IMHO there will be no winner for the American people, the best we can hope for is that one side wins convincingly and so less chance of it kicking off but i bet whomever wins none of the doomsayers predictions will come to pass in any shape or form, it will just be business as usual and snouts in the trough for those associated with the winning side.

America will still be a freak show and your average American no better or worse off than before.

[Hammer and Pickle]

I don’t need to do anything given the policy lynchpin is tax cuts of which the condition is a spend reduction based on a de facto population reduction. It’s utter, utter bullshit.

[ironsofcanada]

It’s all total bullshit

You will need to elaborate as to what you are specifically referring to and if I am to believe you have an actual understanding of the issues in play. 

[Hammer and Pickle]

Trump’s main policy for righting people’s economic woes seems to be all about deporting anything up to 15 million illegal migrants currently resident in the US.

Has anyone even thought to cost this operation? And where are they supposed to go if the decision to deport is unilateral with respect to the country of origin. Is he going to try to use the armed forces to make sure they go back?

Again, that's an ignorant reduction of "main policy".

People do very much care about their services, education centres, housing etc. being taxed beyond their limits just by the sheer weight of number of people who have been introduced lately. 

But  I see, as much or more said, about other ways to address economic issues - the main concern and therefore the "main policy."  Kennedy, Musk and now Paul's advice on cutting government costs.  Addressing inflation, which Biden/Harris have been perceived to fail at.  Drilling more to reduce energy cost. Tariffs.  Lower/ending the cost of international obligation (which I know you will love).

I don't agree with all of those but they are as much a part of "main policy" as deporting every illegal migrant. 

It’s all total bullshit

[ironsofcanada]

Trump’s main policy for righting people’s economic woes seems to be all about deporting anything up to 15 million illegal migrants currently resident in the US.

Has anyone even thought to cost this operation? And where are they supposed to go if the decision to deport is unilateral with respect to the country of origin. Is he going to try to use the armed forces to make sure they go back?

Again, that's an ignorant reduction of "main policy".

People do very much care about their services, education centres, housing etc. being taxed beyond their limits just by the sheer weight of number of people who have been introduced lately. 

But  I see, as much or more said, about other ways to address economic issues - the main concern and therefore the "main policy."  Kennedy, Musk and now Paul's advice on cutting government costs.  Addressing inflation, which Biden/Harris have been perceived to fail at.  Drilling more to reduce energy cost. Tariffs.  Lower/ending the cost of international obligation (which I know you will love).

I don't agree with all of those but they are as much a part of "main policy" as deporting every illegal migrant. 

[Hammer and Pickle]

Trump’s main policy for righting people’s economic woes seems to be all about deporting anything up to 15 million illegal migrants currently resident in the US.

Has anyone even thought to cost this operation? And where are they supposed to go if the decision to deport is unilateral with respect to the country of origin. Is he going to try to use the armed forces to make sure they go back?

[ironsofcanada]

Maybe that horrible noise will just go away after Wednesday

We are back to this are we?

You did try to make an argument, based in some ignorance, to be fair but what? You thought the facts were so profoundly against you that you gave up and resorted to this again?

[Hammer and Pickle]

Maybe that horrible noise will just go away after Wednesday

[ironsofcanada]

IOC

Tampon Tim was accusing Musk of trying to buy election victory for Trump. They ( Dems) really are poor at hiding their hypocrisy. Bill Gates is one of 82 billionaires who have donated to the Dems campaign yet Walz feels the need to highlight Musk's contribution as some kind of cheat.

Good to see you back posting.

Cheers.

We bought a bit of a "legacy" - as the (real) estate agents say - house.  Love the location and character and age (for Western Canada) but lots of work to do on it.   Weather getting colder slowed that down as did the end of garden season, so I have a bit more time again. 

[ironsofcanada]

I think it was a big mistake to rely on the likes of Springsteen, Taylor Swift, Beyoncé or Jo-Lo for endorsements for the same reason it has been an even bigger mistake to have Musk handing out fucking million dollar cheques to individuals. On a massive scale.

Surely nobody is that stupid in making their voting decision…

 

 

Not a fan of the stunt myself but add up the money Musk has given away. (Sign a petition to qualify, remember, and, running against your original argument, not confined to swing states) 30-40 million. 

It still pales in comparison to political donations - from  both sides but consistenly more for the Democrats - to expliicitly tell people to vote a certain way.  By June, when Biden dropped out, Democrats had raised almost 300 mill for the presidential race and the Republican about 225.   I would have to see numbers but I would guess that gap widened since. 


I agree Harris has abandoned policy for endorsement.  It is really hard to pin down her position on things and she has actively avoided situtations where she would have to articulate them at length. Trump, honestly less so, he rambles forever but in his longer and greater number of appearances, he has brought out a lot more policy.  Whether he can make them happen is another thing. 

[Fauxstralian]

Lots of wealthy people donate to both parties
The weirdo Musk is giving away $1m a day to people who sign his petition having also registered to vote in one of the marginal states
Bit different to a basic donation

[only1billybonds]

IOC

Tampon Tim was accusing Musk of trying to buy election victory for Trump. They ( Dems) really are poor at hiding their hypocrisy. Bill Gates is one of 82 billionaires who have donated to the Dems campaign yet Walz feels the need to highlight Musk's contribution as some kind of cheat.

Good to see you back posting.

[Hammer and Pickle]

I think it was a big mistake to rely on the likes of Springsteen, Taylor Swift, Beyoncé or Jo-Lo for endorsements for the same reason it has been an even bigger mistake to have Musk handing out fucking million dollar cheques to individuals. On a massive scale.

Surely nobody is that stupid in making their voting decision…

[ironsofcanada]

There’s this nasty drony interference on the site of late. I’m sure it’s something technical that can be easily sorted out with an amp meter  and screwdriver…

Your classic strange retreats from factual arguments have not changed. 


What is your obsession with Musk by the way...
....another billionaire Mark Cuban, for instance, was openly surrogating for Harris everywhere until he said too many dumb things and they made him stop. 

[Hammer and Pickle]

There’s this nasty drony interference on the site of late. I’m sure it’s something technical that can be easily sorted out with an amp meter  and screwdriver…

[ironsofcanada]

I’m not holding my breath for Trump to admit it’s been a mistake to let Musk take over his bid for the swing states.

 

 

Pardon?

Like (almost) every candidate Trump has been all over the swing states in the last weeks of the election.
The only non-swing states he has been to lately are CA (donors), NY (his home town)  and maybe CO.
3 out of 41 official events in the month of October and the beginning of November. 


Been doing really bad job of letting Musk "take over" when the latter did a handful of appearances. 


Who feeds you your talking points?

[Hammer and Pickle]

Maybe enough people in those swing states will realise they are actually voting for Musk if they tick the Trump box?

[Lee Trundle]

It doesn't seem to be a mistake, so far, going by these polls.

[Hammer and Pickle]

I’m not holding my breath for Trump to admit it’s been a mistake to let Musk take over his bid for the swing states.

[ironsofcanada]

Sorry, haven’t been paying attention … who exactly are ‘Trumps team’ ?
Not including the beardy hillbilly Vance
Understood everyone who was on his staff when he was President are all on his list to be thrown off a building on Day 1

I thought Vance was a bad selection, Gabbard or Vivek seemed more opportune choices.
I was wrong.
No one on either side has impressed me more, in both  substance and articulation, with the interviews he has given.  Anyone, (well some) can read off a teleprompter but to do Joe Rogan like he did for 3 hours or handling hostile journalists while still convaying policy was impressive to me.

But Gabbard, Vivek, Kennedy (as long he is not ultimately in charge), Musk and even now Ron Paul are people whose policy position and/or expertise are worth including for me, despite their individual failings.

Trump has said his biggest mistake was letting lobbyists dictate his team after he was elected.  So he has started building it before.  Compare Harris' answers when she is asked about her mistakes.

[Fauxstralian]

Sorry, haven’t been paying attention … who exactly are ‘Trumps team’ ?
Not including the beardy hillbilly Vance
Understood everyone who was on his staff when he was President are all on his list to be thrown off a building on Day 1

[Leavemyarcelona]

Makes me laugh that the Dems keep saying its Trump who has dragged the election into the gutter with the insults and antics etc yet they turn around and even the incumbent President calls anyone wanting to vote for Trump "Garbage" (yeah yeah Trump is worse, but that's not the point) or other senior Dems and Celeb supporters calling anyone who is going to vote Trump as poorly educated, poorly informed, easily led or just all out racist, homophobic or whatever.

Not sure how in any shape or form that helps swing people to vote for Harris, if anything it maybe sees them double down on not changing their vote being spoken down to as if they are shit.How did it go for Hilary in 2016 when she called anyone thinking of voting for Trump "Deplorable" she was expected to win that election by just about everyone, maybe her comments where not the full reason she lost but wouldn't of helped either.

Also Seems a good portion of the American public may say one thing but vote another, peer pressure in social groups and at work, family's etc may see someone "say" they are for Trump/Harris but actually vote the other way such is the pressure being felt by many i expect, so anyone guess who wins this bun fight!.


 

Remember them doing the same over here in 2019. Gary Neville, Carragher, little minx trying to get us to vote for vile Corbyn

[only1billybonds]

Think there are a lot of voters who favour Trumps team rather than the man himself  they seem a pretty impressive bunch. Harris fucked up with her voice of running mate. Tampon Tim has lied through his arse and there are a lot of people saying that Tom Shapiro would have been a far better choice. One theory is she chose the dumbest of the contenders knowing that she wouldn't be overshadowed.

[factory seconds]

don't have a clue who'll win, should be a laugh though. i imagine trump's loons far more enthusiastic about the whole thing than kamala's followers, who is very much a "yeah alright she'll do i suppose" candidate, so i suppose it's whether they can be bothered to get off their arse this time round.

can't say i'd be ecstatic to vote for either the raving egomaniac or the duplicitous technocrats, but i'll have the popcorn ready either way,

[Sydney_Iron]

Makes me laugh that the Dems keep saying its Trump who has dragged the election into the gutter with the insults and antics etc yet they turn around and even the incumbent President calls anyone wanting to vote for Trump "Garbage" (yeah yeah Trump is worse, but that's not the point) or other senior Dems and Celeb supporters calling anyone who is going to vote Trump as poorly educated, poorly informed, easily led or just all out racist, homophobic or whatever.

Not sure how in any shape or form that helps swing people to vote for Harris, if anything it maybe sees them double down on not changing their vote being spoken down to as if they are shit.How did it go for Hilary in 2016 when she called anyone thinking of voting for Trump "Deplorable" she was expected to win that election by just about everyone, maybe her comments where not the full reason she lost but wouldn't of helped either.

Also Seems a good portion of the American public may say one thing but vote another, peer pressure in social groups and at work, family's etc may see someone "say" they are for Trump/Harris but actually vote the other way such is the pressure being felt by many i expect, so anyone guess who wins this bun fight!.

 

[Manuel]

Just a bit curious, does anyone here openly back Trump and without a doubt defend his moral compass?

Not sure there are too many of these types around, outside of the US anyway. I'm one of the 'I want Trump to win but realise he's a moron and a con man' type.