Lopetegui (sacked 8.1.2025)

[maverick180]

I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season

Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit

We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge

But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask

[Maverick180180]

3 wins out of 10 after a £150mil spent is a disgrace 
do you realise just about every serious fan of West Ham could achieve that if they was placed in charge 
the cսnt can’t even speak a word of English 
do you think those 3 wins came from his Rommel like tactical genius?

[Maverick180180]

I’m sorry massive attack 
without trying to be rude but you don’t seem to understand what’s at stake here 
You’d of had the same attitude towards Roeder and Grant as you do Lopetegui now 
you surely must of learned something from that?
Roeder was uninspiring and dropped his best player cos he had a row with him, which was criminal 
team selection got us relegated 

Grant was also uninspiring but generally put out the best XI he had available, it was just a case of a shit squad and a poor manager, results started to improve when we actually gave him a decent striker in Ba though 

well this clown is both of them rolled into one, except he can’t even speak English 

we’re going to get relegated and you welcome it 
 

[Massive Attack]

On what planet can’t you judge a manager after 10 games????
you’re basically saying if a manager won 10 games in a row he still hasn’t proved if he’s any better than a manager that’s lost 10 games in a row 


 

Or something like a manager only winning say 3 games in to a new season after 10 matches like Lopetegui has?

[Maverick180180]

On what planet can’t you judge a manager after 10 games????
you’re basically saying if a manager won 10 games in a row he still hasn’t proved if he’s any better than a manager that’s lost 10 games in a row 
 

[Massive Attack]

I don’t know how a West Ham fan can welcome anymore football from this cսnt 

can I ask what the criteria is for you to realise a manager doesn’t know what he’s doing? Do you require 20+ games in order to realise that?

do you watch a film more than 10 times in order to decide whether you like or not?

If you're using a film as your analogy for judging Lopetegui so far, then we've only managed to watch the opening credits before deciding we can't be arsed to actually watch the film anyway. You must be a nightmare at the Cimema walking out as soon as you've sat down.

I've also previously stated he gets the full season to see how we get on, after a proper body of work to see if it'll work or not, unless it's looking horrific come the new year then OK the useless cսnt needs to go at that point. At this stage, definitely not.

[Massive Attack]

@ Massive Attack
If you really can't see how clueless he is then the argument is a waste of time. You can throw stats into the mix but to include League Cup games against a second string Bournemouth and games we won or drew due to the inability of the opposition to find the back of the net does you no credit. Lopetegui is the worst manager since Avram Grant, and ironically he got the job because he'd won the CL in the same way that this fella got the job because he'd managed Real Madrid.

Quote 10 games in but ignore the entire summer and the 4 months+ during which he'd  observed us when he was apparently heir apparent) and suggest that his job is tough because of the quality of the squad including the additions to which he'd agreed is disingenuous.

Honestly, he's absolutely hopeless 

So in other words, just agree with you he's beyond help and lock the thread. Got it.

I've also never said he hasnt had a pre season and is excused for it. I'm merely pointing out the games he has only managed in and that after 12 games its no time to judge anyone at this stage properly. 

[Maverick180180]

I don’t know how a West Ham fan can welcome anymore football from this cսnt 

can I ask what the criteria is for you to realise a manager doesn’t know what he’s doing? Do you require 20+ games in order to realise that?

do you watch a film more than 10 times in order to decide whether you like or not?

[onsideman]

@ Massive Attack
If you really can't see how clueless he is then the argument is a waste of time. You can throw stats into the mix but to include League Cup games against a second string Bournemouth and games we won or drew due to the inability of the opposition to find the back of the net does you no credit. Lopetegui is the worst manager since Avram Grant, and ironically he got the job because he'd won the CL in the same way that this fella got the job because he'd managed Real Madrid.

Quote 10 games in but ignore the entire summer and the 4 months+ during which he'd  observed us when he was apparently heir apparent) and suggest that his job is tough because of the quality of the squad including the additions to which he'd agreed is disingenuous.

Honestly, he's absolutely hopeless 

[Massive Attack]

The reason why Sullivan gets away with his decisions is on full view today with this thread 

And I blame modern football for demanding instant success without having to put up with any dross to begin with. 

[Maverick180180]

The reason why Sullivan gets away with his decisions is on full view today with this thread 

[Sir Alf]

Soucek is not the long term answer but can do a better job than Soler and Rodruiguez and even Paqueta in many games. Depends where he’s played and who is alongside him.  We are so slow in that central midfield that we have to sit deeper and play a back 4 with 2 CDMs just as insurance. I have been calling out Soucek as a problem for 2 years if we want to progress from Moyesball 25% possession but right now its got to the point where he would be better than a fair few of our central midfield recruits if Loppy has the sense to “ stop the bleeding” and revert back to playing a bit deeper on the break with more of a compact midfield. Why because we are asking for trouble trying to play out and a high line  with advanced wingbacks in every game. We will continue to concede. We dont have all the “pieces of the jigsaw” to play that way. Centrally up front and in midfield.  Soucek can at least compete physically even if its only for 60 mins in games like yesterday when we need to be tight and hard to get thru and around.  The real fix is recruiting proper central midfield players with athleticism, pace, engines and the legs to get up and down the pitch. That will mean eelling Kudus though as we will need to spend big to get it right.  Until then Soucek’s agricultural attributes will help us mote than the latino and mediterranean “fancy dans” Lopey has chosen
 

[Massive Attack]

We're 10 games in and 14th.
Hardly armageddon time.
The same clueless knicker wetters who have been slagging Soucek off for 2 years (who has been one of best players this season and was missed yesterday) are the same ones demanding we sack a new manager at this stage of a season, some after even just 1, 2  or a handful of games
​​​​​​Can't think of many new managers who've lost their job after 10 games, or when that's worked out well on the odd occasion it happened, but there's a few examples of managers when given time have come good.








 

'Loser Lop' had already lost his job as Real Madrid manager by November 2018 after being appointed in summer 2018.

Proper clubs don't fuck around.

After just 1 bad patch of form i.e. 5 games - after winning 4 and drawing the other. It's a ridiculous way to run a Club to sack a manager based on your first 5 games of bad form you come across at a new Club. We're also not Real Madrid who have the mad finances and resources to do whatever they like without it being much of an issue for them. We can't do that.

As for the 12 games he's managed so far for us, we haven't lost more than 1 game in a row in the League. 

Further context being he's also having to deal with managing a new Club, whilst trying to integrate 9 new player's in to the Squad (10 if we're including Irving). As well as completely change the style of play from being allergic to playing with the ball to now actually using it. We are 6 points off the relegation zone and 6 points off 7th after just 10 League games. 

It's not been pretty and I get the frustration but there's very little grounds right noe to sack him after being here only 5 minutes.  

[Come On You Irons]

We're 10 games in and 14th.
Hardly armageddon time.
The same clueless knicker wetters who have been slagging Soucek off for 2 years (who has been one of best players this season and was missed yesterday) are the same ones demanding we sack a new manager at this stage of a season, some after even just 1, 2  or a handful of games
​​​​​​Can't think of many new managers who've lost their job after 10 games, or when that's worked out well on the odd occasion it happened, but there's a few examples of managers when given time have come good.



 

'Loser Lop' had already lost his job as Real Madrid manager by November 2018 after being appointed in summer 2018.

Proper clubs don't fuck around.

[Massive Attack]

*Tell a lie. Soucek also started in our only other clean sheet 1-0 win in the League Cup as well against flavour of the month Iraola's Bournemouth.

Soucek is seriously underappreciated and we do miss his imposing presence in the Team more than we realise at times. 

The one thing he never does, is go hiding and puts his body on the line for the cause. What I'd have given to see him on Saturday whilst everyone in his absence buried their heads in the ground.

[Pshyco scored all 4]

The club obviously dwarf apart . Has already stated Europe is the aim . This season. Don't let that stated aim slip . Hang it around the necks of them . This was the excuse of getting rid of the concessions. . The club needs to be challenging at the top end of the table . No mercy with shysters .

[Massive Attack]

I don’t think Soucek is good enough  


 

 

 

Two different manager's and styles now think otherwise. In fact some of our brightside play this season has included Soucek and we've missed him when he's not started.

I'll give you a few examples...

We beat Palace away 2-0 after he opened our scoring in our only clean sheet of the season.

He was then dumped to the bench next game and we lost 1-3 at home against City.

He gets reinstated and we pick up a 1-1 draw away in another London Derby.

He is then dropped again for the home spanking 0-3 in yet another London Derby against Chelsea.

He gets reinstated at the start yet again in another London Derby away, this time against Brentford where he takes part in brilliant build up play to the goal he eventually scores, our only goal scored in a credible 1-1 draw.

This time keeps his place in the side to beat Ipswich in our most convincing performance of the season 4-1 and he even picks up the ball to then send Bowen on his way to set up Antonio for our 1st goal.

He keeps his place away at Spurs this time and does well in a decent 1st half display with everyone else going in at half time 1-1. Now granted we then concede 3 quickfire goals to erratic defending by all the Team and so he isn't blameless for that amongst other's un defence but did well in the 1st half at least. 

He was then left on the bench in our next game against Man Utd where we looked shocking in the 1st half. He comes on the 2nd half contributing well at both ends of the pitch and we go on to win 2-1 having also played his part in the decent build up to Summervilles goal in Man Utds final third. 

He then misses the next game away at Forest and we get slapped 3-0 having not played at all due to illness.

For someone with all his vast experience in the Premier League, he is definitely good enough for us and we most definitely do miss him winning the ball back, or occasionally putting it in the oppositions net. 

[ironsofcanada]

Still slightly torn.

Always been one for patience but whatever this manager has done not worked in any kind long term way.

Probably January, which is fast approaching, ( faster every year - I hate Christmas stuff out.)  would be the time for change still. 

[Takashi Miike]

We're 10 games in and 14th.
Hardly armageddon time.
The same clueless knicker wetters who have been slagging Soucek off for 2 years (who has been one of best players this season and was missed yesterday) are the same ones demanding we sack a new manager at this stage of a season, some after even just 1, 2  or a handful of games
​​​​​​Can't think of many new managers who've lost their job after 10 games, or when that's worked out well on the odd occasion it happened, but there's a few examples of managers when given time have come good.



 

In what way was Soucek missed yesterday? Do you think he would have cleared the cross that Wood scored from? We lost yesterday because he went up there in surrender mode, with seven defensive players, most of the team out of position and the cսnt expecting Bowen & Jimmy to beat Forest on their own. But of course, a fucking div like you thinks it's because we were missing Potato Salad

[Pshyco scored all 4]

Mods please delete my last reply . 

[Pshyco scored all 4]

We're 10 games in and 14th.
Hardly armageddon time.
The same clueless knicker wetters who have been slagging Soucek off for 2 years (who has been one of best players this season and was missed yesterday) are the same ones demanding we sack a new manager at this stage of a season, some after even just 1, 2  or a handful of games
​​​​​​Can't think of many new managers who've lost their job after 10 games, or when that's worked out well on the odd occasion it happened, but there's a few examples of managers when given time have come good.theres no sign whatsoever of lopetegui coming good . Whatsoever the players are getting progressively worse . 



 

 

[Maverick180180]

Roots radical - so what have you seen that suggests that this is a manger that knows anything about football?

surely you understand that there are professional football managers out there that are absolutely terrible, despite being classed as professionals 

what have you seen from Lopetegui that suggests that he’s not one of them and if we stick with him, all while become good 

not looking for an argument, just a genuine question 

[RootsRadical]

We're 10 games in and 14th.
Hardly armageddon time.
The same clueless knicker wetters who have been slagging Soucek off for 2 years (who has been one of best players this season and was missed yesterday) are the same ones demanding we sack a new manager at this stage of a season, some after even just 1, 2  or a handful of games
​​​​​​Can't think of many new managers who've lost their job after 10 games, or when that's worked out well on the odd occasion it happened, but there's a few examples of managers when given time have come good.


 

[Gaffer58]

Thank God for Wolves, Southampton and Ipswich, otherwise relegation would be on the cards. Are we waiting for Fulkrig before we have a centre forward.

[Maverick180180]

I don’t think Soucek is good enough 
I think the one and a half decent seasons he had with us were because he had a world class player in Rice to cover for him 
I’m not sure what happened in Rice’s last season but it was obvious there’d been a switch where Rice would now be the one coming forward and Soucek stayed back, and it was that decision that exposed how poor Soucek really is as a central midfielder 
 

[claypole]

Spurs chanting "are you west ham in disguise" at the Villa fans.

Thanks Sullivan
Thanks Lopetegui