The Next West Ham Manager.

[THUNDERCLINT]

Well, El Flop needs fucking off tonight.

Sergio Conceicao isn't working, worth a go?

[Pav BML]

My hope would be throwing everything at Silva from Fulham. I don't think there's a chance of getting Iraola now. Really don't like these Terzic rumours

[Lee Trundle]

He's on £3.4m a year.  Not sure how much his team of best MATES and family will cost to get rid of though.

[Russ of the BML]

The problem now is that the soppy poison dwarf refused to pay £8m compo for Amorim. Dropping Lope now is likely to cost more than that. 

It's just Sullivan all over. No foresight and no fucking clue. 

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The way to measure a coach’s performance is whether or not he can get his squad to play up to or better than the level of its component parts. The Forest game, imho, showed in a stark way the difference whereby one team is outperforming and the other underperforming.

This season will be a hard slog to endure for us fans, watching our team eak out the points to keep above the relegation zone, because the head coach seems not to be able to inspire us or his players.

[muskie]

I agree , whatever happens that poison dwarf gimp cսnt will get it wrong.

[GBHammer63]

I think the biggest problem is who would want to come. Sullivan has demonstrated time and again how he interferes with things that aren’t his remit, more often than not with crappy decisions, he’s not going to let go of the reins.

Sullivan and Brady manage to tar everyone at the club with their brush, would love us to have a long term plan where the club is put first, but Sullivan and Baroness Business will just circle the wagons and do what they think is best for them.

Unfortunately Mourinho is probably the only manager out there who wouldn’t stand for Sullivans shit. 

[Sh1t 4 BrainZ]

Screw every fucker that was screaming for Moyes head!

he should never have gone and I would have him back.

If you think that the fans made an ounce of difference on Moyes staying or going you are dim

[Texas Iron]

I gave him until Xmas to prove himself…

Based on results and performances so far Xmas may be too late…

He looks clueless and the players are not responding…

One of the oldest and slowest squads in the  Prem…

Can’t score…can’t defend…

It’s serious …

 

[Takashi Miike]

Well it might do. You can't guarantee a new guy is better or gets results, or that Lopetegui doesn't shit house some results. So league placing you can't really justify.

And as Newcastle are showing, it's no longer straight forward for rich owners to just pump money in. The loophole has been closed by the established 'big' teams when they saw other teams getting richer owners.

So IMO the financial argument is valid.

Question (I might run a poll). If the options in January were:

A. New Striker or Midfielder (budget 25m) and keep Lope.
B. Bin the current manager, hire someone like Silva (budget 25m) and no squad changes.
C. Get a free manager (Terzic, Ten Haag or Potter), sack the current manager, and have 10m to spend on a striker OR midfielder on loan.

Which would you go for, as without multiple sales that's the current likely equation (or similar to it).
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I'd go with B straight away, but I'm not sure Silva would want to work under Fantasy Island Dave

[Sir Alf]

Totally agree Stubbo

Its obvious now that we didnt get the recruitment right / completed to go “balls out”  with this high line, very advanced wing backs system and trying to play thru teams “tika taka” style.  We have the oldest squad and team. No wonder the team doesnt have the collective pace and strength to play Loppys system and in fact its proven suicidal in many games. We absolutely leak goals like a sieve. And it was always a tall order to expect the leap in one transfer window. Who would think that it could be done that cheaply? … oh yeah, a little Dwarf in Essex fell for it and saw the cheap, too good to be true option

[stubbo-admin]

stubbo-admin » 03 Nov 2024 15:53

Great post....you are obviously wasted on here and I put you forward as the next manager

Ha thanks. But I'm making far too much money in IT.

(One for the David Brent Office fans there)

[zico]

At this point we are where we are.   We have pacy wide men, a former battering ram pacy striker, and slow midfielders.  That on its own tells you we're setup to play a mid to low block counter attacking game where out strength is running in behind the opposition. Essentially the same way Forest played against us. 

Until our midfield and forward line is properly revamped, what Lopetegui is trying to do won't work. I'd argue it doesn't really suit our best players either (Kudus, Bowen, Paqueta) who also are most threatening with space in behind...Paqueta for through balls, the other two for running off the last man.

His best tactic now would be to set us up to play counter attacking football...look to press hard in our own half where our slow midfielders can't be exposed so badly as they're supported by deeper centre backs, and then look for the counter in behind. 

Totally agree with all of that Stubbo.  Always thought that our strengths were as a counter attacking team.  When Moyes had Antonio at his best and Lingard came in and had that purple patch it was as good a stuff as I had seen for quite some time. Added to that Dawson and Soucek on set pieces we were always going to score goals.  Antonio was never going to get 25 goals a season but his role was always going to help others grab their fair share.  With that approach now Kudus and Bowen should be grabbing at least 10 goals each a season, Paqueta another 7 or 8. Problem was Moyes became obsessed with Lingard and didn't replace him with a similar runner and rather than get another Antonio type of player the Club went and bought Haller and Scamacca who were never in a million years going to fit into that system.  Would have been better off getting Adama Traore and turning him intro a striker.  Again never going to be a top scorer but his pace and power would bring space for the wider players.  Issue was that system because of purchasing the wrong type of player became sitting deep and hoofing it to Antonio whose best legs were past him.  Ball just kept coming back because we didn't have those runners up front and in the midfield.

There is nothing wrong with counter attack if it's done properly.  85/86 season when the team played some of the best football over the last 50 odd years it wasn't tippy tappy 25 passes to goal, if you look back at it a lot was counter attack and balls played over the top or between the centre backs or centre backs and full backs.  Bowen and Kudus would be far more effective without having 5 defenders to beat or lumping high crosses to Bowen on his own up front.  It's his only option at the moment because the midfield is too slow when we lose it high up as they can't get back.

[Chip Shop Charlie]

stubbo-admin » 03 Nov 2024 15:53

Great post....you are obviously wasted on here and I put you forward as the next manager

[Fauxstralian]

After the Everton game it’s 16 days til Newcastle on the Monday night with the international break
Last thing a manager needs when he is floundering. Did someone say Paqueta has 5 bookings so will join Kudus watching on?

[Massive Attack]

Don't want him fucked off yet anyway, he needs time to sieve through all the shit and see what he can do with what remains. It's if he can't manage to learn from all the shit he's seeing is when it'll be time to say adios dago! 

Fuck me, Moyes was always allowed to have his contract run out through endless dross served up before we saw a change. So if we can be patient for that to happen, then so can we also be patient with Lopetegui. Far too knee jerk to fuck him after just 2 months in to his first season here. 

[Hammer and Pickle]

Terzic is a good Slavic name - only saying like.

[RBshorty]

Well the noise coming from dispatches is it’s Terzic.And it will happen in the international break. Happy Days. The German Moyes cometh.!

[stubbo-admin]

Not that I want a change yet, I don't buy the budget argument either. If they're not right, they're not right and need to be moved on. Can't use that as a convenient excuse for a penny pinching toad like Sullivan. If it needs doing, then I'm sure something can be sorted. They need to hold their nerve for a while yet though, 10 games in the League is fuck all. 

 

 

Well of course something can be done to generate funds. You sell a player like Kudus. They spent up in the Summer, we have no budget/room for players without selling, but that also means no money to sack a manager without selling as it goes against the same spend I believe.

I'm not making excuses for Sullivan, but we have these PSR rules and the like to adhere to.

Obviously they couldn't let it go on if relegation was possible, but sacking a manager a few months in along with all his staff isn't a zero cost exercise....neither is hiring a new one. So that budget has to be generated by the club from somewhere.

I would agree that it looks like our squad is unfit to play how he wants. Be lack a Fofana style midfielder (no doubt why we bid for him in the Summer), we lack a meaningful striker (the Guilherme/Fullkrug thing has been done to death...but that and the Duran trade off are clearly a colossal fuck up)...so we're in a place where the manager can't get a tune out of the squad, but also seems unable to adapt and play to the squads strengths.

Plus at the first sign of a move to play less on the front foot, half the fanbase start screaming about negative tactics and "Moyes".

At this point we are where we are.   We have pacy wide men, a former battering ram pacy striker, and slow midfielders.  That on its own tells you we're setup to play a mid to low block counter attacking game where out strength is running in behind the opposition. Essentially the same way Forest played against us. 

Until our midfield and forward line is properly revamped, what Lopetegui is trying to do won't work. I'd argue it doesn't really suit our best players either (Kudus, Bowen, Paqueta) who also are most threatening with space in behind...Paqueta for through balls, the other two for running off the last man.

His best tactic now would be to set us up to play counter attacking football...look to press hard in our own half where our slow midfielders can't be exposed so badly as they're supported by deeper centre backs, and then look for the counter in behind. 

Basically what Moyes did in the season we finished 6th....as opposed to the Maginot Line around our 18 yard box impression he did from mid the next season on.

If he sticks to what he wants to do, Soler has to become a mainstay of the midfield as he clearly wanted him for the purpose and his showreel shows his best bits are as the attack minded number 8/10.  Whether he's still got that in his locker after being blunted by PSG who knows.

I think he also needs to give Irving a chance. He kept him over the likes of Ward Prowse...so given the rest are playing like cunts, give the lad his shot.

We have problems, but the "change the manager" argument won't fix deficiencies in the squad, unless we get a manager that moves back in the direction of counter attacking football. 

[Pshyco scored all 4]

I've seen some absolute crap in 40 odd years supporting this club . But we're genuinely good at nothing ATM . Even the goalkeepers look terrible. An in form pacqueta would be worth 10 points alone per season. Even he looks totally lost . I understand he's got a cloud hanging over him . But playing should be his release valve . It's obvious to anyone whether they support WHUFC or not . That there's something seriously amiss . When Moyes left . The club should have went all out to get an obvious upgrade. But as usual the  little egotistical arsewipe ignores everyone that genuinely care about the club. 

[Massive Attack]

Not that I want a change yet, I don't buy the budget argument either. If they're not right, they're not right and need to be moved on. Can't use that as a convenient excuse for a penny pinching toad like Sullivan. If it needs doing, then I'm sure something can be sorted. They need to hold their nerve for a while yet though, 10 games in the League is fuck all. 

[stubbo-admin]

Well it might do. You can't guarantee a new guy is better or gets results, or that Lopetegui doesn't shit house some results. So league placing you can't really justify.

And as Newcastle are showing, it's no longer straight forward for rich owners to just pump money in. The loophole has been closed by the established 'big' teams when they saw other teams getting richer owners.

So IMO the financial argument is valid.

Question (I might run a poll). If the options in January were:

A. New Striker or Midfielder (budget 25m) and keep Lope.
B. Bin the current manager, hire someone like Silva (budget 25m) and no squad changes.
C. Get a free manager (Terzic, Ten Haag or Potter), sack the current manager, and have 10m to spend on a striker OR midfielder on loan.

Which would you go for, as without multiple sales that's the current likely equation (or similar to it).
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[Pshyco scored all 4]

Budget restraints. We have owners worth £16 billion. Sullivan loves excuses like that . And hides behind them . Keeping this manager will cost the club far more in the short term.  As we will finish at least 4 or 5 places lower than we really should  and it's £3 million a place now . 

[stubbo-admin]

We obviously have an issue that we're up against it on spend, and sacking the coach will blow a hole in the budget.

I fully agree expect they'll limp through to January, sell someone like Kudus, and then the decision will be done spend the money on players or binning Lopetegui if it's not improved.

For what it's worth, the candidates for me would be:

1. Terzic...cheap, has club history, German, and was recently successful. Had to be favourite given he's out of work. 
2. Silva...probably the ideal. Lots of Premier League history, plays for a club we can out muscle financially, and plays unquestionably football the supporters can get behind.
3. Frank...similar to Silva, but a club we can out muscle even more strongly.
4. Conceicao...can't see it but the fact he's free. They might give him a short term gig to see how he got on. Doesn't have the requisite "Premier League Experience" to tick Sullivan's overvalued boxes (look how many of the managers you could call successful in the league had that before their current job.  Very few).

But anyway, think it's moot as don't see anyway a change comes before Christmas...for budget constraints as much as anything else.


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[RBshorty]

Bit hard to do your job properly when you’re cսnt boss keeps undermining your every decision.! Sullivan is loving it. That he can deflect any blame. Fuck all will change while he has the final say. And the rest of the board are happy to stay silent and take any windfall.!

[Sir Alf]

Lopetegui’s approach, philosophy, tactics I have no problem with. The best teams try to play that way. But he doesnt have the squad to execute them effectively and by the looks of things is falling short in motivating them, communicating and coaching them competently too.  

He should have a plan B but like a lot of coaches he doesnt it would seem. Fit the tactics, selections to suit the players available and prioritise not conceding as we are regularly shipping 2 or 3 goals a game.  We leave acres of space to run in too and will continue to get thumped by half decent teams.

But we also know its almost a certainty Sullivan will get it wrong again if Loppy goes. He does want success, and has in recent times via fellow owners, stumped up funds but its that he has to be seen as an architect of anything. Ironically he has achieved that but its thatche’s the architect of failure and missed opportunity aside from a lucky 2-3 seasons under Moyes who he rehired just to keep us up.

aside from Frank at Brentford I agree that bloke at Bournemouth would be a positive move but wont happen.