NFL (since 2016)

[crystal falace]

"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."

[southbankbornnbred]

Best celebration ever.

Brilliant!

[zebthecat]

Best celebration ever.

[Far Cough UKunt]

The Vikings had 400 yards of offence and no TDs. FMOB

Lions though, scary.

[Takashi Miike]

[southbankbornnbred]

What a weekend for the Giants. Lose. The Toilet Bowl. But win in the Draft race.! Roll on April. And hopefully Cam Ward.?

Go G Men.!

Genuine Q, Shorty: who would win THE Toilet Bowl between the Jets and Giants if they played this season?

It would be possibly the worst game of American football ever played. The NFL might have to stage an intervention in New York and put both sides under special measures! It is a city that, football-wise, has given up!

 

South. Jets all week. You have a legitimate QB.Everyone knows the Giants need a functioning QB. And next year’s draft ain’t going to be deep with top end quality. So it’s a race to the bottom. But it’s the same as always with regards to the teams in New York. You can stink up the Hudson as much as you want. Just as long as you’re not as bad as the other guy.! And at least the Bills can always take your mind off of it.

Haha! I hear you, Shorty. Although I suspect you have not seen Rodgers much since he returned from his Achilles injury. He has been beyond shit. A 40-year-old who suddenly looks state pension age.

In fairness to him, it's hard to tell whether his age means his quality has deserted him, or if he's yet another victim of a terribly coached side. It might be a bit of both. Either way, the fans were asking him to retire after last night's game.

There's an expectation that Woody Johnson will once again become an overseas ambassador under Trump's administration - possibly back to the UK. If so, he'll again hand over control of the Jets to his brother while he does that job. So, incredibly, we might get even worse. This is all a Kafkaesque nightmare!

[RBshorty]

What a weekend for the Giants. Lose. The Toilet Bowl. But win in the Draft race.! Roll on April. And hopefully Cam Ward.?

Go G Men.!

Genuine Q, Shorty: who would win THE Toilet Bowl between the Jets and Giants if they played this season?

It would be possibly the worst game of American football ever played. The NFL might have to stage an intervention in New York and put both sides under special measures! It is a city that, football-wise, has given up!

 

 

South. Jets all week. You have a legitimate QB.Everyone knows the Giants need a functioning QB. And next year’s draft ain’t going to be deep with top end quality. So it’s a race to the bottom. But it’s the same as always with regards to the teams in New York. You can stink up the Hudson as much as you want. Just as long as you’re not as bad as the other guy.! And at least the Bills can always take your mind off of it.

[southbankbornnbred]

Meanwhile, the QB that the Jets should have drafted back in 2018 - and then should have picked up in free agency when he left the Browns/Rams - is still doing some mad shit.

If you haven't seen Baker Mayfield's 4th down pass, holding off Nick Bosa while under pressure to throw, then it's worth a watch.

He'll never be an elite level QB, Baker. But the guy has a pair of bollocks and a "fuck you" attitude. He would have been a perfect fit in New York. Horses for courses, innit?

[southbankbornnbred]

Also, I looked at the league standings this morning and saw that several sides have worse records than the Jets: The Fish, Raiders, Giants, Jaguars, Browns, Titans.

I can't even begin to imagine how bad those sides must be, because - genuinely - the current Jets are the worst-coached side I have seen since the Rich Kotite era. Like they were the love child of Avram Grant and Glenn Roeder. That bad.

[Council Scum]

Washington really need to sort out their 4th quarter. 

[southbankbornnbred]

What a weekend for the Giants. Lose. The Toilet Bowl. But win in the Draft race.! Roll on April. And hopefully Cam Ward.?

Go G Men.!

Genuine Q, Shorty: who would win THE Toilet Bowl between the Jets and Giants if they played this season?

It would be possibly the worst game of American football ever played. The NFL might have to stage an intervention in New York and put both sides under special measures! It is a city that, football-wise, has given up!

[RBshorty]

What a weekend for the Giants. Lose. The Toilet Bowl. But win in the Draft race.! Roll on April. And hopefully Cam Ward.?

Go G Men.!

[southbankbornnbred]

Incredible performance by the Jets so far today.

Rodgers moving freely, throwing accurately and playing for the team.

The o-line physically dominating in the trenches, creating huge gaps for those powerful backs.

Brilliant defensive play-calling by the interim head coach, making a mockery of Saleh’s departure.

Fans totally behind this high-performing, humble, hard working team who would break their own bones for eachoth…oh…hang on…

…nope…the drugs have worn off…the unicorns have faded away…

turns out I got it on too heavy after the Everton game and…yep you guessed it…the Jets are still a devastating shitshow…heading for 3-7 by being a complete clusterfuck…

[Reaches for whisky]

[Takashi Miike]

joe, the steelers had half the stadium, possibly more. it was shocking but maybe the tickets were sold months ago pre draft? steelers are decent, but we made so many errors and kingsbury has a flaw in his play calling where he gives up on the run game against the so called better teams. we're still doing great but that was thrown away today

[Joe C]

big chance to go 8&2, threw it away

OTB is there. Has been very quiet on the WhatsApp group

[Takashi Miike]

big chance to go 8&2, threw it away

[ironsofcanada]

Yeah, I get it IoC. Although I do think he's a consistent force when you can get him on the field. It's probably his past injuries - and the Saints' salary cap issues - that meant Washington picked him up for a decent 'price'.

How are you going to replace him? He's not irreplaceable, but you'll need a top talent to come in as CB1. Might that be where they look in the draft? Tough one for the Saints, because the cap problems mean you'll have to rely on a higher percentage (than normal) of younger players for a while. But I guess the good thing is you can go straight into a serious and wide-ranging rebuild with the draft picks.

I don't know, overall, its always been riding the cap to stay competitive for a bunch of years.  Totally new coach, that probably change some how. Things look awful for next year as they always do but maybe we just go with what we got instead of the masterful kicking the can down the road.

Longterm at at least, cornerback is not the worst position though.  Alontae Taylor who was playing the nickel is okay, Adebo is done for the season but is actually a better ballhawk than Lattimore. Kool-Aid is coming along.  More worried about other bits on the defence, at least after this season. 

[southbankbornnbred]

Four pro bowls in five years seems pretty consistent to me. Especially when you look at the yardage he (generally doesn't) give up even in the seasons since that run. He's a steal for those picks - providing he doesn't see the Commanders as the start of him easing down. I get that most CBs have bad days. Those that don't - like Revis - are few and far between.

I have loved Lattimore,  most of the time.
My opinion comes from watching him every week for the last 2 years.  (Mostly highlights and the odd game when I was in England before that.)
Consistent is not the word I would use, amazing a lot of the time, would be the phrase. 

But he has been in the league 7 years before this one.  Not 5 .  So he has been a Pro Bowler in about half time. That's not consistent.  You can say injuries held him back but that another mark against consistency for me. 

He is one of the best in the league when on, but he is not always there or on.

Again good luck to them and him. 

Yeah, I get it IoC. Although I do think he's a consistent force when you can get him on the field. It's probably his past injuries - and the Saints' salary cap issues - that meant Washington picked him up for a decent 'price'.

How are you going to replace him? He's not irreplaceable, but you'll need a top talent to come in as CB1. Might that be where they look in the draft? Tough one for the Saints, because the cap problems mean you'll have to rely on a higher percentage (than normal) of younger players for a while. But I guess the good thing is you can go straight into a serious and wide-ranging rebuild with the draft picks.

[ironsofcanada]

Four pro bowls in five years seems pretty consistent to me. Especially when you look at the yardage he (generally doesn't) give up even in the seasons since that run. He's a steal for those picks - providing he doesn't see the Commanders as the start of him easing down. I get that most CBs have bad days. Those that don't - like Revis - are few and far between.

I have loved Lattimore,  most of the time.
My opinion comes from watching him every week for the last 2 years.  (Mostly highlights and the odd game when I was in England before that.)
Consistent is not the word I would use, amazing a lot of the time, would be the phrase. 

But he has been in the league 7 years before this one.  Not 5 .  So he has been a Pro Bowler in about half time. That's not consistent.  You can say injuries held him back but that another mark against consistency for me. 

He is one of the best in the league when on, but he is not always there or on.

Again good luck to them and him. 

[southbankbornnbred]

Imagine having a backfield that had Revis and either Deion or Green at CB, with Ronnie Lott and Ed Reed as safeties.

"We'll probably just run the ball today, folks: little point putting the ball in the air."

And Lott and Reed would still register several sacks!

[southbankbornnbred]

Ronnie Lott was incredible, although he played more regularly as a safety. I think he started out life as a cornerback (for three seasons, IIRC?).

The sort that would knock your bones out of your body when he tackled.

[Takashi Miike]

he's in my top ten ever. him and singletary were on another level
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[Far Cough UKunt]

Ronnie Lott must be in with a shout as a safety or corner?

[Takashi Miike]

An espn journalist talking to one of our best beat reporters yesterday said his best trait is a short memory, hopefully he's ready for the eagles game thursday

[southbankbornnbred]

I read this week that QBs throwing towards Revis in that 2009 season would have received an average passer rating of 32.3.

As a QB, you could spike the ball into the ground on every single play and get a higher passer rating.

Revis was a cheat code - and a huge part of Ryan's defensive success. Although Rex will tell you that he had to coach Revis into that level, which is probably true.

This has all come up again only because Ryan seems to be angling for a return to the NFL.

[Far Cough UKunt]

Speaking of Revis, there's been a lot of talk about him on the Jets boards again - due to the discussion about what Rex Ryan (angling for a comeback) achieved with such a shite franchise.

Take another look at his 2009 season. Now THAT is a cornerback. That season will rarely, if ever, be repeated. The guy shut down 11 pro-bowl receivers in 19 games that season. The other 8 weren't even competition.

And he didn't just shut down great receivers, he absolutely dominated them physically and mentally. It's still the highest- graded season ever by a cornerback - and they adjusted the gradings to give modern CBs a chance. He stopped the following receivers from getting more than 35 yards: Andre Johnson, Randy Moss (twice), Marques Colston, Terrell Owens (twice), Torry Holt, Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne. He stopped all-pro Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) making a single catch: zero yards. Dominated them all.

In two games, Randy Moss caught just nine receptions for 58 yards. And he had Tom Brady throwing him the ball.

Chad Johnson: "That 2009 f**king season will never ever, ever be replicated. That's impossible."

I know others will reach for Deion and Green - both amazing CBs, no question. But there will never be another pre-knee injury Revis. If you're picking the greatest NFL defense of all time, it's just a case of which CB plays on the other side from Revis Island.

 

 

Randy Moss was pretty good for the Vikings, then got caught pulling his pants down.