Lopetegui (sacked 8.1.2025)

[maverick180]

I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season

Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit

We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge

But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask

[Massive Attack]

Potter can get fucked. 

Carrick, definitely interested. 

[Sir Alf]

Latest trend by all the speculating web sites and journos is Potter or Carrick.

I can see why they might think that based on Sullivan.  He will now think he needs to go back to his default appointment profile an English coach or manager.  Full circle.  I suppose these 2 are more progressive than his Allardyce, Moyes “safe hands” types but no real guarantee of improvement. They cant do worse?  Thats hopefully the case but I suspect Sullivan prefers Carrick as its a “populist” appointment aimed at getting fans off his back. But suspect no data analysis again to back it up. Carrick unproven in the Premiership and Potter only successful at a club that had a philisophy and recruitment policies that drive everything.  

I would prefer to trust data and a manager or coach with success at multiple clubs with limited or finite resources.  A coach who is tactically flexible, develops players, brings youth thru where possible. One that will fit the tactics and style tjat best fits the available squad.  Yes we want entertainment etc. but you are better to develop that on the foundation of getting a few results first.  

I hope Sullivan ensures some background checks and analysis is done but suspect he will trust his judgement again which is quite frankly appalling. I mean he appointed Loppy, famed for a tight defensive set up and tactics, to implement possession based, attacking football with 8 new players of which 5 were identified independently by Sullivan and Steidten. That said, Loppys alleged recruits ( Rodriguez, Kilman and Soler) were hardly suited to a fast paced, energetic, athletic attacking set up in the Premiership.

Probability based on Sullivans tenure over 14 years suggests the next appointment has a 10-20% chance of success. ?  

 

[Massive Attack]

At least you know what you are getting with Moyes (bangs head on table). 


 

Hypersomnia?

[greenie1]

Moysie coming back just for the rest of the season?
Sounds about right for Sullivan and the West Ham Circus. 
At least you know what you are getting with Moyes (bangs head on table). 

 

[Massive Attack]

IF we need someone to hold the fort, if this guff about Allegri wanting to come next summer which I strongly doubt would happen, then Lopetegui is still that man. Not only has he proved he can keep a Team up if that was a fear then he's proved that with Wolves. Just leave him to it till the end of the season and then we only have to pay up his remaining year contract without having to fork out again for another part timer.

IF that was all possible, then I'm ONBOARDING with that. 

[fraser]

Moyes is no better than Lop. And much more unlikeable 
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[goose]

that would possible be the most embarrassing thing the club could ever do.

[Lee Trundle]

You'd have to be an absolute idiot to even contemplate going back to him.

[Mad Ferret]

The Hornchurch Massive on YT is saying Moyes is open for a return.! 

I think Moyes till the end of the season would be palatable enough. Just to ensure that we maintain our PL status.

Then in the summer have another go at appointing someone new.

[RBshorty]

The Hornchurch Massive on YT is saying Moyes is open for a return.! 

[Sir Alf]

Agree to an extent nychammer but there’s always mercenaries ready to trade integrity for a few quid. But any decent bloke with a long term strategy and philosophy would not want a silly little owner buyimg players and interfering

[nychammer]

This nonsense will continue for as long as Sullivan sits at the top - he's proved time and again that there is simply no point in the board expressing a view that is opposite to his. He'll just ignore and do whatever he wants.

I do hope Lop turns us around but he's in a ridiculous position now because of that twat at the top. I suspect he's offered short term contracts deliberately so he gets turned down, and can come out with his usual 'we tried' bullshit.

Detest that man, but love our team - his time is just a passing phase and will hopefully be over before I'm too old (nearly 50).

 

 

no decent under contract manager is going to be up for leaving a club to come and work for a club run like a corner shop by a nasty little twat who will undermine them at every turn. That is why we are always picking from out of work journeymen or mercenaries looking for a payday. Guaranteed he has someone like Benitez or Bruce on the shortlist. 

[Tomshardware]

I came to 17 points and 10/14 matches that have been entertaining. 

We currently sit on 15 points after 14 matches. 

Arsenal - 0 - Entertaining 
Newcastle - 0 - Entertaining 
Chelsea - 0 - Boring 
Villa - 1 - Entertaining 
Everton - 3 - Boring
Spurs - 0 - Entertaining 
Palace - 3 - Entertaining 
Fulham - 1 - Boring
Man City - 0 - Entertaining 
Ipswich - 3 - Entertaining 
Forest - 1 - Boring
Brentford - 1 - Entertaining 
Man Utd - 1 - Entertaining 
Leciester - 3 - Entertaining 

17 points

Also 1 boring win and 1 entertaining loss in the Cup.

That's all the whilst having to put up with Paqueta’s head gone due to the FA charges, lengthy suspensions to key player's and injuries to key new major signings like Fullkrug, as well as Todibo constantly struggling to shake off a persistent injury at the other end of the pitch. 

Or were you and other's expecting significantly better points total?










 

Good arguement on the face of it massive cock son.

For me it's the off- field noise and just a   feeling of  doom and gloom around this fella that for most of us  older chaps has a very familiar stench of previous appointments  by our board of  never gonna happen /bad fits.

Macari ..( I liked Lou as a man)

Grant..( I didn't like Avram as a man)

​​​​​​Roeder..( god rest his soul)..completely out of his depth with us lot back then...too nice and paid a very heavy price for it.

All three had the same sense of doom from the start as Loppy has.

Move on and quickly please

 

I've been wondering much the same myself, having experienced all that as well. I dunno, I just feel like this is different in the sense that the task was a difficult one to begin with. Huge turnaround in not only player turnover but also in a totally different direction of playing style as well. That's why I had to allow him most of the new season to get to grips with it all as I felt no manager would be able to achieve what we want in such a short space of time. 

Some may point to the likes of Hurzeler at Brighton. However I'd then point out he came in to a Club perfectly set up to continue on the outstanding work of De Zerbi and the Clubs hierarchy. The players were already there, the style of Football was there, just grab the baton and run with it which he did. That simply wasn't the case at our gaff which so much shit to rake through, as previously explained like the Paqueta situation. I think Lopetegui has been dealt an unfair hand in that regard and why I predicted in the Summer he/or anyone even if it was Pochettino and the like they needed a full season. Just as Pochettino proved at Chelsea last season come the end. 

If we're all being honest, he's not had enough time to get the results and performances we all desire. No one is waving a magic wand to produce all that and think we'd be lying to ourselves if we thought it was possible.

The points total and style of Football is just about where it should be after all been considered. 

 

 

Measured post, it's never black and white as some would have it.   The premier league is unforgiving and matches are won and lost on incredibly fine margins, you only have to look at the topsy turvy results on a  weekly basis to see that.  

[lowlife]

This nonsense will continue for as long as Sullivan sits at the top - he's proved time and again that there is simply no point in the board expressing a view that is opposite to his. He'll just ignore and do whatever he wants.

I do hope Lop turns us around but he's in a ridiculous position now because of that twat at the top. I suspect he's offered short term contracts deliberately so he gets turned down, and can come out with his usual 'we tried' bullshit.

Detest that man, but love our team - his time is just a passing phase and will hopefully be over before I'm too old (nearly 50).

[southbankbornnbred]

If it's true that Terzic turned us down last week, then I'm not surprised.

He's made it clear in Germany that he wants the West Ham job, but according to rumours (and they are just that) he was only offered a contract until the end of the season. Whatever people think of him, he has managed one of the biggest clubs in Europe for multiple seasons and came within one game of winning the sport's biggest club trophy.

You don't take a seven or eight-month contract after that - especially as he could fuck off to Saudi for a short period and earn significantly more before the inevitable realisation that he won't stay beyond a year or two. He should have been offered a multi-year deal.

Sullivan is the parsimonious man's version of a tightwad when it comes to managers. The sort of multi-millionaire who thumps phone boxes as he passes them, just in case they cough up a few coins. If it's true that he wouldn't even give an unemployed bloke a multi-year deal, then we are never going to poach somebody who is under contract.

[Massive Attack]

. Its the inconsistency and repeating the same defensive mistakes that's so hard to accept.

That's the bit where he loses me most as well. Repeating the same mistakes defensively just like that Fat stubborn clueless Oaf at Spurs. 

The high line needs dropping back a bit, it doesn’t need to be as high as it has been especially with our slower Centre Halves - namely liability Mavropanos. Crack that, then I believe the Team can build on the strong passing game we clearly have now since Newcastle. We can pop it about for fun when in possession, even in that Leicester game under pressure from the very beginning a goal down, we were putting together slick quality Football that led to 31 bloody attempts at goal and double figures on target with 10! Fucking crazy stats to only score with the last attempt and oh so very West Ham.

And only those sick cսnt Footballing God's could line up the next next do-or-die fixture at Home to Wolves where Lopetegui walked away from because he wasn't happy with their broken promises. Losing to the Pikey would just be typical for us. 

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

I didn't realise the job Potter did in Sweden with Ostersund (from Wiki):


Östersund
In December 2010, Potter signed a three-year contract as coach of Östersund, who were then playing in the fourth tier of Swedish football, starting on 24 January 2011.[17] Potter was offered the job after Graeme Jones, his friend and assistant to Roberto Martínez at Swansea City, recommended him to chairman Daniel Kindberg after Östersund's pre-season friendly with Swansea.[18]

In 2013, after two successive promotions, Potter extended his contract with the club for another three years.[19] On 27 October 2015, Östersund secured promotion to the Swedish top flight, Allsvenskan, for the first time in their history following a second-place finish in the 2015 Superettan.[20] Östersund finished their debut season in eighth place, winning plaudits for their "slick passing game" and competing on a limited budget.[21][22]

On 13 April 2017, Potter's Östersund team won the Svenska Cupen, beating Norrköping 4–1 in the final.[23] This granted the team a place in the second qualifying round of the 2017–18 UEFA Europa League where they defeated Galatasaray 3–1 on aggregate.[24] In the third round they defeated Fola Esch 3–1 on aggregate[25] and in the play-offs they knocked out PAOK (3–3 on aggregate with more away goals), thus securing a historic entry into the Europa League group stage.[26][21] They finished second in their group, level on points with Athletic Bilbao.[27] Despite beating Arsenal 2–1 at the Emirates Stadium, they were eliminated from the competition after losing 4–2 on aggregate.[28] Östersund finished their domestic league season in fifth place.[24]



 

How can you not know that Potter managed abroad? That’s a large part of why people rate him so highly.

Do you even follow football?

There are some really sensitive souls on this forum who love to belittle people isn't there?

Of course I knew he managed abroad.  But I wasn't aware of just how well he did, which I am pretty sure allot of people didn't know either.

I follow football, I follow West Ham, I draw the line at spending my Friday nights indoors researching the history of everyone and anyone connected or potentially connected to West Ham - until just now of course which presented me with a nice little surprise about Potters past.

Ignore the Ferret.. Matty d
hes
​​​just a short nosed berk with short furry ears...a long tubular body , and short limbs who is rather partial to rummaging around in mens trousers

[Massive Attack]

I came to 17 points and 10/14 matches that have been entertaining. 

We currently sit on 15 points after 14 matches. 

Arsenal - 0 - Entertaining 
Newcastle - 0 - Entertaining 
Chelsea - 0 - Boring 
Villa - 1 - Entertaining 
Everton - 3 - Boring
Spurs - 0 - Entertaining 
Palace - 3 - Entertaining 
Fulham - 1 - Boring
Man City - 0 - Entertaining 
Ipswich - 3 - Entertaining 
Forest - 1 - Boring
Brentford - 1 - Entertaining 
Man Utd - 1 - Entertaining 
Leciester - 3 - Entertaining 

17 points

Also 1 boring win and 1 entertaining loss in the Cup.

That's all the whilst having to put up with Paqueta’s head gone due to the FA charges, lengthy suspensions to key player's and injuries to key new major signings like Fullkrug, as well as Todibo constantly struggling to shake off a persistent injury at the other end of the pitch. 

Or were you and other's expecting significantly better points total?








 

Good arguement on the face of it massive cock son.

For me it's the off- field noise and just a   feeling of  doom and gloom around this fella that for most of us  older chaps has a very familiar stench of previous appointments  by our board of  never gonna happen /bad fits.

Macari ..( I liked Lou as a man)

Grant..( I didn't like Avram as a man)

​​​​​​Roeder..( god rest his soul)..completely out of his depth with us lot back then...too nice and paid a very heavy price for it.

All three had the same sense of doom from the start as Loppy has.

Move on and quickly please

 

 

I've been wondering much the same myself, having experienced all that as well. I dunno, I just feel like this is different in the sense that the task was a difficult one to begin with. Huge turnaround in not only player turnover but also in a totally different direction of playing style as well. That's why I had to allow him most of the new season to get to grips with it all as I felt no manager would be able to achieve what we want in such a short space of time. 

Some may point to the likes of Hurzeler at Brighton. However I'd then point out he came in to a Club perfectly set up to continue on the outstanding work of De Zerbi and the Clubs hierarchy. The players were already there, the style of Football was there, just grab the baton and run with it which he did. That simply wasn't the case at our gaff which so much shit to rake through, as previously explained like the Paqueta situation. I think Lopetegui has been dealt an unfair hand in that regard and why I predicted in the Summer he/or anyone even if it was Pochettino and the like they needed a full season. Just as Pochettino proved at Chelsea last season come the end. 

If we're all being honest, he's not had enough time to get the results and performances we all desire. No one is waving a magic wand to produce all that and think we'd be lying to ourselves if we thought it was possible.

The points total and style of Football is just about where it should be after all been considered. 

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

It seems to be almost accepted as true now that half time against arsenal Todibo was throwing punches at him....

But what I don't get is that Lopi had a one match ban which would mean he wasn't even allowed in the changing room at half time? 

 

IF that's true I want Todibo gone toot sweet.

[onsideman]

I thought it meant its just a touchline/dugout ban? They're allowed upstairs to communicate with the bench and also be behind the scenes like the dressing room. The rules seem to defeat the purpose and find the whole exercise pointless. 

 

 

Erm... How many times have you tried to claim that Lopetegui's ban was a major hindrance?

[Massive Attack]

Apart from the pigeon English, I actually thought he spoke very well in his latest intense Press Conference in relation to recent events. Didn't look to hide, blame other's and even protected the player's and totally understood the fans frustrations by apologising. Some difficult questions answered well I thought...

https://www.youtube.com/live/HSpgiiXnx1 ... he7BM69l2K

 

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

I came to 17 points and 10/14 matches that have been entertaining. 

We currently sit on 15 points after 14 matches. 

Arsenal - 0 - Entertaining 
Newcastle - 0 - Entertaining 
Chelsea - 0 - Boring 
Villa - 1 - Entertaining 
Everton - 3 - Boring
Spurs - 0 - Entertaining 
Palace - 3 - Entertaining 
Fulham - 1 - Boring
Man City - 0 - Entertaining 
Ipswich - 3 - Entertaining 
Forest - 1 - Boring
Brentford - 1 - Entertaining 
Man Utd - 1 - Entertaining 
Leciester - 3 - Entertaining 

17 points

Also 1 boring win and 1 entertaining loss in the Cup.

That's all the whilst having to put up with Paqueta’s head gone due to the FA charges, lengthy suspensions to key player's and injuries to key new major signings like Fullkrug, as well as Todibo constantly struggling to shake off a persistent injury at the other end of the pitch. 

Or were you and other's expecting significantly better points total?



 

Good arguement on the face of it massive cock son.

For me it's the off- field noise and just a   feeling of  doom and gloom around this fella that for most of us  older chaps has a very familiar stench of previous appointments  by our board of  never gonna happen /bad fits.

Macari ..( I liked Lou as a man)

Grant..( I didn't like Avram as a man)

​​​​​​Roeder..( god rest his soul)..completely out of his depth with us lot back then...too nice and paid a very heavy price for it.

All three had the same sense of doom from the start as Loppy has.

Move on and quickly please

[Massive Attack]

It seems to be almost accepted as true now that half time against arsenal Todibo was throwing punches at him....

But what I don't get is that Lopi had a one match ban which would mean he wasn't even allowed in the changing room at half time? 

 

I thought it meant its just a touchline/dugout ban? They're allowed upstairs to communicate with the bench and also be behind the scenes like the dressing room. The rules seem to defeat the purpose and find the whole exercise pointless. 

I also think all this yellow carding managers excessive nonsense too for simply airing off on the touchline. Big fucking deal. 

[goose]

Reports coming out of the Fatherland is that Terzic has turned us down.

Razzle Dazzle Folks.!

Probably because he was offered a 6 month deal.

[Jasnik]

AS you were ...